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post Aug 5 2008, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Aug 5 2008, 12:28 AM)
yap u are rite, RM500 only can get cap ayam amp laugh.gif ...thanks for the advice...maybe i need to extand the budget to RM1000....i'm OK to mix around actually, it just that numerous seller brings kenwood brand and its within my earlier budget..

but the most important thing rite now is i need guide on how to find a suitable amplifier for my speaker notworthy.gif .i dont wanna end-up blowing my speaker by choosing the wrong amp...what are the spec that i should consider before buying an amp...should i choose 1200watt over 350watt? should i choose 4 channel over 2 channel? ...

my objective is just wanna have better bass from my 6x9 rear and 6" front  2 way speakers, plus still would be able to control fader and balance from the HU sweat.gif ....
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get a RM180 china v12 amp from garage sale section..save the money smile.gif

its not going to make any big different since you are using kenwood speaker

even if u powered it with an audison vrx..it is still not going to sound too good


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post Aug 5 2008, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Aug 5 2008, 02:10 AM)
yap, been thingkin bout this copy Alpine V12 too...if i decide to get an active sub would it be good enough than compared to normal external amp+subs?

what's wrong with kenwood speaker? any recommendation to replace my rear 6x9 then? pioneer, JVC?
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nothing wrong with kenwood..for normal use or stock replacement it is not bad..

save the 6x9 money and get a 12" sub nod.gif
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post Aug 5 2008, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Aug 5 2008, 10:45 AM)

FIRST, in term of wattage, considering i have:

pair of 270watt (max) component,
pair of 300watt (max) 6x9,
should i get at least an amp with max 1200watt?
(my noob calculation is 2x270watt + 2x300watt=1140 round up to 1200)..

OR

pair of 45watt RMS component,
pair of 75watt rated power 6x9 (is this same like RMS?)
should i look for an amp with output power > 45watt per channel?

OR

all this RMS and max power does not make any sense when choosing an amp? u can simply put 10000watt amp( laugh.gif ) and hoping i wont blow the speaker doh.gif ...

SECOND Impedance (OHM)..am i spelling it rite? laugh.gif
from what i understand is it's represent the power resistance..different speaker setup will give different combined impedance..how impedance play its role in setting up your amp?
THIRD, in term of channel (assuming i just wanna have one amp):

lets say i just wanna amplified the front component and rear 6x9, and maintain the control over fading & balance from HU,
how many amp channel should i look for? 2, 4, 5 or 10( rclxub.gif ) channel amp?
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let say i wanna amplified the front component and a subs (6x9 rear direct from HU), and still maintain the control over fading & balance from HU, can 2 channel amp do the job?...

FOURTH, i notice my HU already have this bass boost function and then most amplifier also featured this function..so if i install an amp then,

is it safe to turn both bass boost features from HU and amp at the same time? wont it harm both of my speaker and amp?
OR
it doesnt matter by doing so and it will further amplified my bass.

maybe my questions doesnt make any sense or too basic too be asked or too technical and complicated to be answered (which i believe not laugh.gif ) but i apologize for my noobness or making anybody feel irritated with my question notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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for wattage, only see the RMS power, peak power is just another marketing tools to sell product and too hype up

it is advisable to get amp of slightly more RMS than the speaker/woofer.

more rms wont blow speakers, underpower amp driven hard to clipping will blow speaker as it send dc voltage to speaker and overheat the voice coil

usually 6x9 and component is rated at 4ohm

for front component + 12" sub or component + 6x9, a decent 4ch amp which can get 200w rms bridged will do..

you can control fad and balance from HU with 4ch

2ch amp for component + 6x9 will drive them at 2ohm per channel, you only get to control balance but not fad

bass boost function on both HU and amp should be turn off, it ruin sound quality and create fake bass. if your system if good enough, you dont need bass boost. bass boost might give you bass but it often drive the amp up to clipping point and create distortion





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post Aug 6 2008, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Aug 5 2008, 09:48 PM)
this are the answers that i'm looking for biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif ....thank you bro icon_rolleyes.gif  notworthy.gif

anyway, further noob question...
1) is bridge only meant for subs? bridge is by connecting positive/negative terminal of a speaker/subs to 2 different channel rite? sweat.gif
2) since my HU only have 1 Preout, so it's not possible for me to install more than one amp rite?
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1. you can bridge for component too..but it is not advisable as it double the THD and lower the SNR..for sub its ok

2. you still can install as many amp as you like. either with "Y" cable or active xover or preamp. or worst you can use hi-lo converter
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post Aug 6 2008, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ Aug 6 2008, 09:57 AM)
Thanks for the tips thumbup.gif
and the more voltage for preout is better rite? now i know why >RM500 HU is worthwhile doh.gif ....before this i thought expensive HU just have extra physical accessories such dimming light, USB & Ipod support, cool faceplate, blutooth which are not important to me sweat.gif
by using 2 channel amp, does it mean i only can connect either pair of front or rear speaker? OR
what if i connect both pair of my front/rear speaker to the amp in parallel mode? (parallel front left with rear left speaker and front right with rear right) from my understanding it will lower the combined impedence in each channel, i can control balance from HU but cant control fading rite? any other quality effects..
THD?? now this is another informative info for me...no wonder there's cheaper amp & damn expensive amp...another thing i notice, cheaper amp usually have low RMS power (30-40watt/channel) even though the peak is around 1+++watt doh.gif .....

All these kind of technical info & spec really help bros. TQ notworthy.gif
NEXT QUESTION sweat.gif

Technically what's the different between good speaker and bad speaker?...i've saw some component is priced up to RM800 while there's component also priced at just RM200....below are some of my understanding bout a good speaker, appreciate if somebody can verify...
- it's material (PP or fibre cone better, rubber rounded cone better) so it can last.
- it's magnet (heavier or bigger is better, strong magnet is better) but i dont understand what's the effect of strong/weak magnet.
- it's RMS that matter (higher RMS is better) i think i can understand this one.
- it's external crossover (for component) but bit blur on this rclxub.gif
any other characteristic for a good speaker??
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high perout voltage is better as this give bigger resolution to the amp and you do not need turn up much gain to get the same sound level, this reduce unwanted noise in the system

2ch amp you can use for front speaker..the rear just use player output also can

if you connect front and rear to 2ch..u cant control fad

some sq amp also have low rms output..not all have high power and high power doesn't always mean better

what's the different between good speaker and bad speaker? this is like asking what's the diffrent between kancil and bmw. both got 4 wheels and both can bring you to destination. it is the sound characteristic, tone balance, personality and built quality that matter..everyone got their preference of speaker brand..depend on your budget and liking









 

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