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 Opening cafe or kopitiam, any experience?

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Icehart
post Aug 3 2008, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(P.I.M.P @ Aug 2 2008, 11:55 PM)
Yes I totally agree. Those successful coffee house nowadays has already built their own reputation & customer goodwil. They've already sell its name to the public. Therefore, not only you have to think out of the box for new ideas, you gotta tear it up & look for new ways to attract new business market.

I've also thought about opening a cafe' or coffee house someday. But come and think of it, the startup cost is really high. Only for the renovation itself, already sink out a ton of capital. Not forgetting other equipments you need like refridgerator, coffee maker, oven, toaster etc. Also nowadays, these equipments comes with value added technology and all I can say is it ain't cheap.

I'm kinda into the old skool kopitiam whereby I'll just sell drinks and rent out stalls to hawkers. But as mention, location of the shop lot is the biggest issue. Its the backbone that determines the success of your business.  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Don't engage in old skool kopitiam business! My parents are doing exactly that. You will regret it!
Icehart
post Aug 4 2008, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(P.I.M.P @ Aug 3 2008, 10:34 PM)
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How's the business doing?  blink.gif
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Business so so only because of current economic situation and location wise its not very good.


QUOTE(Gary1981 @ Aug 4 2008, 11:58 AM)
To open a F&B line, the most challenging is how to hire a kitchen cook .The most advantage is if yourself know how the food receipt, then it easier....
Secondly, my advise, dont spend so much on renovation. The most important in a F&B line is the kitchen. I suggest you survey around all the F&B line, there is a way to renovate it & look luxurious with simple & lesser cost renovation.(i did observe quite a lot that just renovate simple but their restaurant look luxurious)
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Yes, kitchen cook is the most important but what will happen if the kitchen cook ask for a pay raise or something while your business are just about to grow or become black?? Trust me this thing happens more often than you think.


QUOTE(Gary1981 @ Aug 4 2008, 03:16 PM)
TS!

I suggest you can ignore to have live band....you can anytime play ur own songs..eventually live band cost a lot & it can be not that attractive....the most important is your quality of food & convenience of feeling when the consumer step into your restaurant....
I could suggest you that a sum of RM100k would help you the start up cost...

A F&B line have 3 major categories which are the
1.) Bar & cashier
2.) Shop floor
3.) kitchen

The most important you should concentrate is kitchen & the most investment of cost is the kitchen because the equipement for cooking(is stainless steel), i can suggest you opt for a used god condition kitchen equipment.
From the 100k breakdown, spend abt RM35k to 45k for kitchen, renovation abt Rm30k(try to minimize), 15k for small items(table,chair,glass,cutlery,cabinet) & 10k for others. No need spend on high hp air conditions as i did survey nowadays malaysian tends to seat with fan only(this could save u a lot).....
Last but not least, your head count from bar to kitchen. At initial stage, try minimize your head count not more than 10 ppl(kitchen=4, shop floor=3, bar =2).

My last advise, try to persoanally work in a restaurant & experience the tail & head of the business.I did that for a part time to understand the entire busineess. I had plan my F&B restaurant abt 5 years ago & now im still waiting for the right time.
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If you want to open a trendy restaurant/kopitiam i don't think you can forgo renovation. Bear in mind my parents started the business 5 years ago and the renovation costs already costs more than 200k. They converted the kopitiam into a mamak style setting if you understand what i mean (lots of tiles to cover the walls). Now imagine the cost now if you take into account the recent fuel price hke and the increase in the price of cement, tiles, paint etc. Heck with just 30k for renovation, the most you can do is repaint the interior wall with a new paint and just that. Interior is very important, customers wont come eating at your restaurant if you have bad interiror.

Again i am not trying to pour cold water on the business, i am just giving out an opinion based on my experience in working there. The good thing about kopitiam business is that you receive cash. But bear in mind you also need to pay cash as ur expenses as well. You should also think about the long hours you are gonna spend on the business (need to wake up early and close late and also no weekend holidays!!). Long hours is not a bad thing but what if there are no customers patronising your shop? You will be sitting there squatting flies and wonder whether you are doing the right decision with your idle time!!!


 

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