Pricing of 1st block is not investment value. I doubt there are takers for 2nd block. People would rather wait and see the progress of the commercial shops before making decision.

well, most expensive yes....but most prestigious? hmmm...doesnt seem to be very prestigious from their showroom but have yet to see their finished product. only time will tell...

Since I missed The Zest, might give SW a second thought.

Any sifus or taikors wan to give some precious views? 

Xui Cheng, thanks for your remarks on SW.

Yes, talking about buying properties...whether for own stay or investment, the major factors we should consider are location, developer, surrounding amenities, public transport, accessibility to major towns, future appreciation of properties, bla bla bla....all these seem to be in the favour of SW.

Ah, almost forget to mention about the price...damn...many people seem to be scared away by the so called high premium price charged by SPS. 

Before I take my order...need more opinions from the sifus to enlighten me. 

Xui Cheng,

the link u posted has lots of garbage and there's a lot more fighting going on VS discussing the subject. Since you come here and claim the following :


- SW will be the land mark of puchong.
- If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
- If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

These are such strong selling statements that could rightly lead OR mis-lead others, so I believe there's nothing wrong with me or anyone asking for justification.  With so many forumers here vested in Puchong based developments, it will be interesting to see how SW affects the rest from your point of view.

All the more reason why I asked you to clarify your thoughts here which so far contradicts the general opinion.

Anyway, point taken and sure you can make ANY baseless claim as you wanted irrespective of logic or facts backing such claims, like any other vested SW owners. Its a free forum, but do expect a highly candor'ish debate when u misrepresent facts here.

Cheers 

Xui Cheng,

Since u went thru great lenghts in reading my previous post looking for mistakes(think I made those comments early this year), allow me to clarify/justify. I made those comments when market sentiment is at its worst, and Zest was less than 5% sold. I did mention "In today's market" in my advise, didnt I? Lastly, I did inform everyone right after I bought my unit, so thats is a clue/unspoken advise from me if anyone was watching....... 

To those who heed my advise back then but failed to make the move to buy Zest even when sentiment starts recovering, I hereby offer my sincerest apologies as I didnt expect :

1. Sentiment to recover so quickly.

2. ZEST would outsold Setia Walk by a mile despite not offering any freebies. Guess all those "financing scheme" by SP Setia didnt manage to con as many ppl as I would expect.

3. Public would quickly realise that Zest is really value for money, despite its rookie developer. A good product wont be in stock for long. There still remaining units in SW if Im not mistaken.... but one has to wonder why its not unsold after more than 1 year on the market + free tong-sui makan + free starbucks and all that advertisement....... 

You see..........unlike you, I can justify my advise. Anyway, those who took my advise on not buying Setia Walk arent complaining at all 

Knock knock knock !

Pai taikor, are you there, please give some comments.

This thread is getting hot and interesting !

Prepared to take on this fella? what for? Its a forum, ppl here discuss about properties. Its weird to see how emotional ppl can be. I question her/him when she made a strong statement about SW, which was interesting and politely request her to justify which till today she has not able to.  I hope she doesnt reflect the intelectual/emotional level for majority of SW buyers......else 

Btw chief, your justification above is acceptable. Personally think LRT is a huge win for SW. In fact with the LRT on I no longer felt SW is too overpriced. Its still expensive mind you, but defo not overprice anymore. Btw, landed in Puchong are defo on the up. They makes Damansara DS looks like a bragain now 

Pai, guess u struck his nerve .. the most sensitive one.

chuah xui cheng;
a rather provoking little post...

i believe we all have been following the progress and growth on the 2 most debated non-landed development in Puchong... and we all do have our own interpretation on the investment as well.

However, i was hoping for a more construction debates and less criticism. And seems like this is getting nowhere about SW at all...

p/s Pai, thx for the comment on Subang SOHO.

HER nerve, and guess I must have struck LOTS of it judging by her reply....... 

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Added on September 19, 2009, 12:54 am
So I've read the thread but still could not see what makes you so sure that :

SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

I did see some actually canceled their purchase on SW some more ( even the TS itself  ) and most ppl think the pricing is rather ridiculous.

Lets see if you can actually point it out or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is beating around the bushes 

I've posted in the thread since the beginning. I couldnt find anything to support your claims, hence why I asked.

U do understand english right?
So again, why would they choose SW in Puchong? Of all the new launches (Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera) , SW has the least number of facilities available, located right smack in city center where the traffic is horrendous.

And also since they could afford it, why would they buy a condo in Puchong?
Pls share how do you derive that there are more businessman in Puchong? Is it by the number of empty shop lots accross and next to SW?

And do explain why these "business" man would buy SW? I tot' businessman will buy semi-D and bungalows.............   
And yet SW has yet to fully sell-off its available units after more than 1 year and after all the various freebies and financing schemes. I wonder why? Any clue Xui Cheng?

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Added on September 19, 2009, 1:57 am
Chief, is SW a "high-end" condo to begin with?  Care to share your thought?

How much at the moment and the downpayment? Is there any interest free during construction period? Thanks

Besides more intellectual discussion, i also expect the moral police to jump in...Merce?

And Xui Cheng, one more thing, SPS...

You wont get something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM

Think you are avoiding most of the questions, as expected. Let me clarify the question to its most basic english state for your understanding :

2. I didnt asked which is the worst or best. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?

3. Have you rented ANY property out before? Have you rented your property to expats?
Im not sure about you, but I've been in the landlord business long enuff to know that good facilities attracts good tenants + premium rents. Its a major consideration albeit not a main one especially if one is gonna fork out a hefty 350-400psf. Honestly SW facilities are mediocre at best and is probably the worst of the 4.

3a. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?

4. U assume that there r plenty business man in Puchong, and I asked you for stats to prove your assumption. As I suspected, its PURELY your own assumption not backed with any facts whatsoever, just like the rest of your statements. 

Speaking of common-sense, all good projects nomally sold out within weeks/months.  Use your "common-sense" and do tell us why SW has yet to sell all its block and still not able to fully sell its existing stocks despite :

- offering 5/95 con scheme
- Various round of free makan and drinks
- Monthly adevertisment in all major newspaper.

5. Zest was a good product that is fully sold. Ealier buyer now makes 10%-15% paper gain on a fully sold project. I cant say the same for SW though.

Again u r avoiding the question. These businessman that you mentioned, why would they choose SW over other condos, DSL, Semi-D and Bungalow? Please answer the question if you can.

6. Been there and the finishing is so-so. I do like the layout of the studios though. And yes its NOT fully sold even to date.

7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong? Or r u saying that SW buyers all buy SW bcoz its expensive?   

8. Your high-end definition must be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy lower than the general standard if u think SW is a high end product. Have u seen a high-end product before? Care to share whats your definition on "high end"?

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Added on September 19, 2009, 9:31 pm

I've seen Atmosfera, Zen and SW showroom, and honestly SW looks like the worst of the lot, in terms of facilities, finishing and spec. Therefore, usage of high-end to describe SW is highly debatable boss, "high-price" or expensive IMO is a more fair description. 

Hi Kekanda Xui Cheng,

I miss u so much .. and the fun as well
one big guy down in realestate and here comes another chief .. haha ..
salute ..
like cannot tahan, i like u three ..

Hrm to be fair -  I think one makes decision based on the market situation, and the future.

Back in March, the economy was looking gloomy indeed. LRT plans were also fishy, it would seem the federal government was all out against any non-BN state projects.
So indeed, Pai's analysis is correct during that time.

3 months later, we made some sort of a V-shaped recovery, along with all the stimulus and ever low interest rates. LRT plans suddenly goes ahead.
These were all quite unexpected, and it had nothing to do with the developer, but rather purely a change in consumer behaviour, confidence and risk taking.
This was surely bound to happen, but maybe no one expected it to be so quickly.

So, the data now is quite different compared to the past. It will also, requires change the valuation and decisions one make.

All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

[b]Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).  [/B]

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Added on September 20, 2009, 2:33 am
Hi Zavier, glad to see there's at least 2 rational SW owner 

Look, I never said SW is a bad product. Expensive yes (at least for me), but not a bad product. I think its expensive as Zen, Atmosfera, Zest etc all are sold for at least 30% cheaper VS SW. But with the LRT forthcoming, I see value in SW. Given sufficient time.........SW will appreciate n make decent gains for its buyers. But VS others, appreciation might be on slower pace as I believe that SP has priced SW residential units too high to fund their expensive :

1. Zero Interest undercon program
2. Marketing expenses
3. Retail units 

Im not alone with these thoughts, u can see various forumers with decent credibility share the same sentiment. We r not talking about ppl who just registered lately, and only made comments on SW thread(no effence to u or Xui Cheng).

All your answers above not only avoiding my previous question, but failed to back up your previous claim below :

1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).