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post Nov 4 2010, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(mercindustries @ Nov 3 2010, 11:46 PM)
3 x 1.5TB Samsung Greens RAID5, can't do a 4 x 1.5TB write test anymore as I have data on it, redid a read test on 4 avg is 201.0MB/s

Those write speeds easily saturates my gigabit traffic, but Samba doesn't really play nice with Windows clients so I had to FTP my stuffs over to be able to achieve full gigabit speed.
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Not too bad for a softraid. I'll try and post some. Yeah, don't think can post write test since it's already half filled. icon_question.gif

Anyway, on my other NAS box (NMH300), FTP is more stable for file transfer. If I do normal copy paste on large file tranfers, I get time outs with the NHM300... Not so with my Linkstation DUO which I bought later. Very stable performance. If I had known, I would have bought the Linkstation DUO instead of the NMH300. Nice interface but performance sucks.


Added on November 4, 2010, 1:57 pm
QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 4 2010, 01:11 PM)
How many SATA ports does the microserver have? 4 inlcuding dvd-drive?  Thinking of putting 1 2.5" for OS only. IF 4 ports, then left another 3 drives for storage.
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It actually has 6... 5 internal SATA ports and 1 eSATA.

Out of the 5, 4 of them from the SAS breakout cable and 1 separate one directly from the mobo to the DVD burner.

I took out my DVD burner and put the 160GB Seagate boot drive there. The other 4 spaces are filled up with the 2TB Samsung F4EG drives.

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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 5 2010, 01:49 AM)
I just tested transferring from my server to windows 7 : 700MB took 27s at 25mb/s
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Small file transfers, the normal 2 bay NAS boxes are fine. I get about 30MB/s thereabouts with a Linkstation DUO and I'm pretty satisfied with the performance for the price paid. But if you start to transfer large quantity and large file sizes (not just Megabytes, but Gigabytes and Terabytes), the difference in waiting time will be more obvious.

On my Microserver, transfering an 8Gb file takes about 70 seconds or so.


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QUOTE(zoney @ Nov 7 2010, 12:22 AM)
Very informative thread! After reading the last few pages you guys had me made up my mind on the Microserver. Currently thinking of using it on unraid or freenas, would like a simple fileserver setup as if install standalone linux very troublesome to troubleshoot if got any problems.

Currently I'm running DIY server with WHS but lately it's giving performance problems sad.gif software issue the usual case with windows os, after using for sometime it's time for a re-format. So this time around would like to use unix/linux instead. Plus the hardware is getting a bit old better upgrade the NAS before the whole thing KO.

Any recommendations from the gurus here?

Thanks for the help smile.gif
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I think the Microserver route with FreeNAS or Unraid is in the right direction if you just need a simple NAS box with lots of flexibility. Not forgetting that it's relatively cheap too.


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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 7 2010, 03:18 PM)
somehw i prefer the qnap x59 series casing smile.gif lol..

yeah looking for nas + bt + monitoring application..

1k for the hp media server for 5 slots or 3.4k for qnap 559 pro... sad.gif , somehw i like the gui..

thats why i asked since qnap is also linux/ubuntu based possible to load qnap's operating system over to the hp media server tongue.gif heheheh
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Hey, I like the Synology and Qnap too. biggrin.gif But I dislike the price regarless of how beautiful the GUI is.


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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 7 2010, 07:32 PM)
surprisingly, the HP microserver comes with 160gb hdd.  Available at All IT.
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blink.gif Why is it surprising? It's meant to be an OS drive anyways.

Well, I guess HP could throw in a 1TB drive instead like what Acer did with H342. The thing is I compared the street price difference between the HP and the Acer and with the price of the HP, you can comfortably add an additional 2TB with some spare change.


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QUOTE(jinaun @ Nov 8 2010, 08:40 AM)
just found out syno has released the x11 versions

i believe the models is

211,211j and 111

211 has 1.6GHz + 256MB ram while 211j has 1.2GHz and 128MB and i believe the 111 is similar proc/ram as 211
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Any idea what processor is that? I think compared to the processing power and memory of the Microserver, I think it's not even close.

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Nov 8 2010, 11:20 AM)
i think its based on marvell kirkwood processor coz the memory interface is onli 16bit

u can't compare it directly to microserver coz one is ARM and another is x86..
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Fair enough. But even if the Synologys were equipped with a 1.8GHz Atom CPU like some of the Qnap x59+ models, processor power would still be lower than the AMD on the Microserver.

BTW, the AMD N36L CPU on the Microserver is a x64.
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Nov 8 2010, 02:33 PM)
i believe atom D5xx series is in-order x86-64 while n36l which is athlon II neo is out-of-order x86-64

again is entirely different class
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Pardon my ignorance. Can you explain a little bit more or point to website that explains this?
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QUOTE(badang_1785 @ Nov 10 2010, 02:58 PM)
i think this is sufficient for my use http://buffalotech.com/products/network-st...o-duo-ls-wvlr1/. is this nas good? any body use this before?
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Is the Pro already available? I use the older non Pro version;

http://buffalotech.com/products/network-st...n-duo-ls-wxlr1/

I'm quite satisfied with the price paid. The performance is not bad and quite responsive. Of course not as responsive as Microserver. Accessing files on the Microserver feels as if the storage is on the same PC !


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QUOTE(Majinity @ Nov 10 2010, 06:41 PM)
Anyone using BUFFALO NAS here? LS-WXL series
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Yup.

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QUOTE(ianthow @ Nov 11 2010, 10:47 AM)
Guys,

Interesting read on the HP Microserver! I am wondering whether what are the pros and cons of HP Microserver vs. say a dedicated NAS like Synology or QNAP? AFAIK, dedicated NAS are pretty simple to operate and most operation (download, BT) are automated.
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I think that question basically boils down to you... Do you know how to setup your own PC for BT and simple file sharing? If you can, the Microserver should be straight forward. Installing a copy of Windows Home Server would be most simple.


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QUOTE(ianthow @ Nov 11 2010, 03:35 PM)
The second link even has a comparison between the Microserver and the Acer H340.

Anyway, a more detailed specs of the Microserver can be found here;

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quicksp...a/13716_na.html

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Hey, I thought after asking so many questions to denhock, you would already bought one by now.
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post Nov 22 2010, 12:12 PM

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Damn. I think I need to buy another Microserver. The current one is filling up fast. Unless get a eSATA 4 or 5 bay box and connect it to the Microserver. Oh, yes, heard that the eSATA port on the Microserver does not support Port Multiplication. sad.gif Need to put in an extra PCIe x1 eSATA card for that. I read the eSATA port from the Acer H342 supports PM.

Also thinking of putting a PCI x4 dual or quad network card to upgrade the network bandwidth via link aggregation LACP. But that would also require LACP aware switch. sad.gif
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Nov 22 2010, 01:50 PM)
mine sharing how much current price for microserver?
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RM 919.
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Nov 22 2010, 05:41 PM)
wow good price. which all it have this? lowyat or digital mall? viewed their price list but no mentioned about the hp mediaserver
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Didn't buy it at All IT. Bought it at the HP reseller at Digital Mall.

Last I saw (about more than a month ago), only the All IT at the Curve had it. The Lowyat and Digital Mall outlet did not have it. Perhaps now would have changed.
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QUOTE(kon @ Nov 23 2010, 01:47 PM)
I'm looking for a NAS for business/ office use with the following requirements:-
- Raid 5
- 4 slots (I need about 1-2TB)
- Good file writing speed
- Active Directory support (users are on AD therefore the file server has to be on AD as well)
- Low maintenance

May I know if there are NAS which comes with it's own OS? If possible I would like to save on buying an OS for the NAS.

I'm currently interested in the Synology DS411+ but are there any other NAS in the same class which you would recommend? The DS411+ is about 2.5k but if possible I'm looking for one below RM2k.
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The HP microserver is everything of the above except that it does not support RAID 5. To save on OS, you could use Linux. Only RAID 0 and RAID 1 from BIOS. But of course that does not stop you from getting a 3rd party PCIe x4 or x1 RAID card that supports RAID 5. That will bump up the price a little but I believe it will still be below your 2k budget.

Else, the Synology is not too bad but at a higher price.
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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 23 2010, 02:42 PM)
i think the hp microserver is a good choice. I bought mine at ALL IT in lowyat. RM900 after discount.
Wah ! Got discount some more? rclxms.gif

QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 23 2010, 02:42 PM)
The only downside I see for the HP is the RAID. If I remember correctly, in the BIOS, it only support RAID 0 and 1. For RAID5, you need to used AMD's RAIDXpert drivers. No worries cause the drivers can be downloaded from HP site. Small matter as both synology and hp are using software (fakeraid) anyway.
Actually with RAIDXpert under Windows Server 2008 R2, you only get RAID 1 or RAID 0 as per the BIOS. You need to enable RAID in BIOS before RAIDXpert takes over in OS. The RAIDXpert is exactly like Intel's version of Matrix Manager or Storage Manager.

QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 23 2010, 02:42 PM)
I would personally go for HP cause of the upgradability of the RAM and much more powerful processor. Not to mention half the price of synology. And I can install any OS I want. Can even dual boot windows/linux.
Yup. Those are the reasons and features that attracted me to the HP.

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QUOTE(WildChai @ Dec 4 2010, 03:42 PM)
Was looking at the drivers for microserver on HP, only windows server...compatible with windows 7 too?
Have not tried Windows 7 on the Microserver but I would think it should work? I believe mercindustries tried Windows 7 on the Microserver. Perhaps he can give valuable input.


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QUOTE(corez @ Dec 6 2010, 02:00 PM)
I purchased WD My Book World Edition II recently. The purpose is to stream MKV to my DLNA capable Samsung TV. however the included Twonky Server does not stream MKV files. sad.gif Only AVI.

Can someone gives suggestion which NAS that could stream MKV files straight to my tv? I prefer 4 tb and above.

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Have you tried renaming the mkv files to avi just to check if it will work?

I cannot speak for the other NAS boxes but I believe with the Microserver that you can run an OS like the Windows Server 2008 R2, you can try installing softwares like TVersity or Mezzmo. These are the two names that often come up when you want to stream mkv files. Have not tried it yet but I think only Mezzmo works on Windows Server 2008 R2?



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Congrats trix. Thanks on the feedback for the Windows 7. For the AMD chipset drivers, was it straight forward from the built-in Windows 7 drivers?

How did you solve the audio problem? What sound card did you put in the Microserver?

If you use it as a NAS / download box, perhaps you could shift the DVDRW drive as an external USB unit since the DVDRW hardly gets used.

Oh, if you already plan to add Bluray drive, perhaps you can plan to have it as external USB.
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QUOTE(icelc @ Dec 17 2010, 07:22 PM)
Hi Guys,

I just got my HP microserver and currently running it on Win 7 enterprise version.

Is there any better OS to run it with? since I do not attached it with a monitor and would like to switch it off immediately sometimes (proper shut down takes too much effort)
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You can try Windows Server 2008 R2 or Redhat Linux. No idea about the shutdown times the Linux OS.


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QUOTE(elgan @ Dec 14 2010, 02:38 PM)
Would the HP Microserver run with Windows 7 Professional?

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I think trix said it was ok to run the Microserver with Windows 7. Look at his post.

On a side note, I thought I came across a newspaper advert that that the Microserver is now at RM 1200++ or something like that? The specs remained the same though. rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(icelc @ Dec 19 2010, 08:59 AM)
The Microserver still price at RM919, with a little bit of bargaining it can be lower.
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Just as I suspected, price has gone up a little. Took this two nights ago.


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I don't download files using my Microserver though but the network card on the Microserver hits close to 120++ MB/s on transfers from my other PCs. I leave the settings as is and use HP's driver downloaded from the website.

Am running Windows Server 2008 R2 for what it's worth.
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QUOTE(icelc @ Dec 31 2010, 12:51 PM)
I see. I didn't update any driver as I leave it as it is when I installed Win 7.

Hows the performance on Win Server 2008 R2? Any difference running it compare to Win 7?

Performance wise, I can stream 720p movies to 3 different devices (Wifi) in my house without any problem.
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I have not installed Windows 7 on the Microserver.

But 3 x 720p streams off the Microserver is not bad. But I must credit it to your wifi router more than anything since it's quite difficult to maintain 3 streams via wifi. May I ask what wifi router is that?

1x 720p stream is roughly about 0.8 MB/s. For easy calculation, let's take it 1 MB/s. 3 of those stream will total up to 3MB/s max. That's very easily done on the Microserver actually. I usually stream BD isos and complete BDMV folders with no problems. They stream about 5 to 6MB/s.

Anyway, if you want to check the network performance of the Microserver (not the wifi router), install something like a bandwidth monitor to see what is the real time input / output. You can also check using the performance tool under Task Manager.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Dec 18 2010, 10:26 PM)
On a side note, I thought I came across a newspaper advert that that the Microserver is now at RM 1200++ or something like that? The specs remained the same though.  rclxub.gif
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Indeed, this morning I opened the Star papers and saw this advert sad.gif

Hopefully the shops still maintain old prices.


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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 23 2011, 10:08 AM)
Shit!  I should have bought it when it less than 1k.
I planned to get it next week, hope got stock and price still normal.
Nice find on the Youtube clip. But it does not say how many drives it's installed. My guess is that it's only measuring power at the default configuration which is with the single 160GB drive.

Anyway, no idea if the prices at the shops have increased. Let me know as I might be interested in another or perhaps get a esata RAID box connected to the current Microserver.

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