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post Jan 4 2013, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jan 4 2013, 04:38 PM)
The highest that people are getting is with BlackArmor 440 (400 + seagate harddisks):
5MB/s over CIFS
15MB/s over NFS
25MB/s over FTP

that is with perfect gigabit networking, public shares only.
This thing is a total overpriced ripoff. Not to mention that this device has been around since 2009!!!! They're marketing it as a new product in Malaysia doh.gif

I really feel like making a video and run over this piece of crap and send it to them  vmad.gif

1000 bucks wasted. I could've just buy a pc from lowyat and get better hardware than this doh.gif
You went for the buy 1 free 1 promo? I was very tempted actually. I never knew the BlackArmor was so bad. Transfers to my N36L from my PC is close to Gigabit speeds on my Gigabit LAN. I'm getting transfers of about 100 to 115MB/s upload or download.

Looks like the 4 x 3TB WD Red drives in the BlackArmor seems like a waste. Just get the N40L and transfer the WD Red drives and enjoy super fast transfers.

QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 4 2013, 05:02 PM)
Copying file from N40L (the ori 7200rpm hdd) to my local hdd (win 7 pro) via the crappy Wifi from Maxis Thomson TG784n , I'm getting about 6MB/s.
Yeah, I wish I can replace the Maxis router too but then again, I don't rely much on WiFi. For phone and Ipad access, it's ok.
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post Jan 7 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 4 2013, 07:52 PM)
How do I check the read/write speed to the NAS?
Just use the old fashion clock / stop watch and time the copy process.

Or you can use softwares like Bandwidth Meter to detect your transfers.

QUOTE(leadaxer @ Jan 6 2013, 12:17 AM)
Hello sifus. Due to space constraints I'm planning to upgrade to a 4-bay NAS. Can I have some recommendations? Thanks
Are you intending to put your storage on your network? How many PCs are using the storage?

If you're just with 1 PC, best would be to buy a 4 bay eSATA external box and connect via eSATA. Faster and cheaper.

QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jan 6 2013, 01:54 AM)
ahh what you plan to look for in your nas ? features/functions/performance ?

best is qnap or synology lo.. smile.gif
What? Qnap / Synology 4 bay would cost a bomb.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 6 2013, 02:17 AM)
Thanks. Really don't no there is a speed check in copy windows.  blush.gif

Just check copy/move pc <>nas about 11.5Mb/s
Seems you're not on Gigabit network? That speed is about right for 100Mbit line.

QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 7 2013, 04:25 PM)
Actually since now that you manage 20+MB/s it's performance really isnt that bad. Its slow but for the price you paid (it was RM 640 per unit right?) its decent. You obviously cannot expect to compare with equivalent units from Qnap and Synology (i.e. 4 HDD bay units). Those cost RM2k+ each. The cheapest SYNOLOGY DS-413J is RM 1199 with RAID 5 write of 48MB/s.
Too much money for not so much benefit in speed, security and function. My cheapo N36L does 110MB/s transfers although no RAID 5. I'm fine though as I don't store mission ciritical data and at most, I keep important data on a separate drive offsite.

Anyway for consumer use using consumer drives, relying on RAID 5 is not secure enough. It means you're only allowed for 1 drive in your RAID 5 array to fail. If during data rebuild (which I hate that it usually takes super long) another drive fails, then you're in deep shit. That is why RAID 1 for consumer use with consumer drives is still safer.

Else, go for more expensive option of RAID 6 to be used with at least on a 5 bay enclosure that allows 2 drives to fail at once. Else on a 4 bay enclosure, RAID 6 is actually RAID 1.
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post Jan 8 2013, 02:56 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 7 2013, 10:06 PM)
Yup. Just a basic N moden router link to NAS, pc, tablet and A/V. Bottleneck is on the internet speed.
Your Synology NAS is overkill then because any decent NAS would be able to cope with that kind of workload and transfer.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 7 2013, 10:06 PM)
And increasing demand on the A/V side. Which I think the router cannot coupe and probably the NAS would have lack of streaming.
Are you running full BDs from your NAS? Gigabit routers are cheap. For AV purposes, never use wireless.

QUOTE(Vannus @ Jan 7 2013, 11:37 PM)
Ok here is the thing, Samsung Smart TV, laptop and ipad can read movies from the NAS smoothly, no jerk, no loading time, just instant. Tested the file transfer speed to/from Mybook live to my laptop via Wifi and homeplug, I get around 3MBps/24Mbps.(Suspecting is the Homeplug bottlenecking instead of the N standard WiFi)

My Home Unifi speed max is 0.625MBps/5Mbps.

Now my PC that is connected via cable to the switch and Mybook live. Transfering file from PC to Mybook live, I get around 35MBps/280Mbps.
Transfering file out from mybook live to my PC, I get around 70MBps-90MBps/560Mbps-720Mbps.

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This is real life scenario and consistance as I tried and did recorded down the result of my setup.

Hope this will give a clue to you guys on the hardwares and connection cables and settings of the Mybook live NAS.
I don't trust the speed that Windows displays in the dialog box. I believe that's the average speed it records and not the actual speed the file is being transferred. Best is to time the file transfer with a stop watch from when the actual file starts to transfer and when the file transfer ends. Else, get a monitoring utility like Bandwidth Meter that will record your actual network speed transfers.

Have you tried doing the same (transferring files) over the network between PC 1 and PC 2? Your findings will help isolate and narrow the problem. Anyway, what hardisk are your PCs having?

The transfer from Mybook to PC looks fine but PC to Mybook is a little low. Perhaps the write speed of the Mybook is the bottleneck.
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post Jan 8 2013, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 8 2013, 10:17 AM)
I dont understand why some of you are quoting your internet speed for the slow transfers you are getting from your NAS... you are not transfering across the web. What is important is the quality of your internal network system.
ozak mentioned that he uses the NAS to share files / videos over the internet. Fastest internet speed is 2 to 3MB/s and that is still sufficient for a slow poke network.

But my argument is what's the use of a NAS when it's useful to share with the internet but becomes very limited when shared in the local LAN?

QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 8 2013, 10:17 AM)
For BD the max data rate specified is 54Mbit/s (40Mbit/s for AV streams). In theory any wireless N system should be sufficient, even a 100Mbit/s LAN router should be sufficient to stream BD. 3D BD is still limited to a max 64Mbit/s BTW... and that is a really rare occurrence that any movie needs the max data stream.
In theory yes, Wireless N can cope with the HD or Full BD bandwidth but the key things to consider with wireless are interference (microwaves, wireless telephones, etc.), dropped connections, lag, latency issues and worst of all, slow speeds when it really counts. Try transferring huge files over wireless and you'll most likely get time outs. With a wired connection, you don't get any of those lag issues which is very important for AV.

Yeah, 100Mbit LAN is also sufficient for Full BD but it's on the limit. You need to account for loss of efficiency and transmission overhead. Sometimes it works but sometimes it doesn't. So why gamble when Gigabit hardware is relatively cheap and available to deploy?

QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 8 2013, 10:17 AM)
so look into your homeplug if it is still slow. I think as the few people here have indicated, homeplugs are slowwww.
Homeplugs are also not straight forward.

QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jan 8 2013, 12:28 PM)
but it shouldn't be, no? mine's rated 500mbps, so at the very least it should be getting half of gigabit speed (50MB/s at least). the wireless homeplug is 200mbps, so should have ample leeway with WiFi N connecting to it as well.
In theory yes. But once you count this and that overhead, and what you receive at the end is peanuts.

QUOTE(aneip @ Jan 8 2013, 01:16 PM)
Mine aztech 500Mbps.. The best I can get is around 80-100Mbps.. This done using same powerstrip.

For real line setup, 1st floor to down stair, I can copy file around 11MBps.. I believe they is something else limited the transfer (internal powerplug component/firmware). The aztech utility reported around 200-300Mbps speed when tested using the same powerstrip. But UDP packet test just goes above 100Mbps. For the info, UDP packet test done using linux nc program. This is acceptable to test the network. No disk reading overhead or TCP overhead and ack packet.. Just pure packet transfer from 1 point to another.
No experience with homeplugs but is your house electrical wiring single or 3 phase?

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