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khieni
post Jul 6 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(skng03 @ Jul 6 2012, 09:37 PM)
Btu lower = need more time to cool the room/ place.
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according to the sales person, if btu higher, will drawn more electric during starting....which i think is reasonable..... rclxms.gif
But, some sales person say, higher btu, faster cool, then lagi save electric....

i think (just my think, not the fact), i can just rely on EER for the electric saving guidance.......... rclxub.gif


Added on July 6, 2012, 9:52 pm
QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 6 2012, 09:25 PM)
I am surveying aircond too....

current in my list are follow the priority
1) mitsubishi heavy industry (Deluxe type-SRK model)
2) hitachi (Deluxe type-RAS)
3) mitsubishi electric (Mr Slim-GF & FF model)

My comparison according to my consideration
1) Ioniser (1st & 2nd only) 3rd only actually just to remove bad smell (plasma)
2)Warranty (2nd and 3rd got 2+7 year warranty, 1st only 1+5 year warranty
3)Self clean - 1st:Auto Clean, 2nd:No self clean, 3rd, manual clean
4) EER, 1st one is the best, then 2nd and third (Have to confirm again) - Higher is better to save electric)
5) btu, according to sales person, 2nd=10000btu, 3rd=9545btu, 1st=9000btu (lower is better)

6) price range: similar
7)quality:according LYN, all three brands are good and realiable

My decision: (Tomolo I will buy it)
1) Mitsubishi Heavy Industry because safe electric and got auto cleaning. although warranty is less, but i think when the time after 5 yrs, i oledi forget where do i keep the warranty card oledi....hehe
2) 1hp with ionizer at my master room (coz use longer while sleeping) and 1.5hp without ionizer at my living hall (I think not frequent, if hot and want good air, go to bedroom lo)
3) 1hp (with ioner) = RM980 and 1.5hp (Without ionizer) =RM1130
So RM2k got two aircond....

Will buy for other rooms when i got extra money.....haha
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Dear friends, do you support and agree my decision, because i m going to buy it tomolo.....hehe......give me advice before too late :-P
p/s: actually with ioniser and without ioniser, the price only rm200 different...

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post Jul 6 2012, 10:06 PM

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If A/C generate high BTU take up higher wattage is normal, but if higher btu can be generate using same or lower wattage (comparing another model) mean is very efficient.

Just like car, if 1.5L engine can generate 200nm torque, vs 1.8 generate 230nm torque, you don't know which engine more efficient. Actually 1.5L more efficient. <not actually the correct way of comparing>

But If i say this engine use 2Liter petrol to generate 200nm torque for 10 mins, vs another engine using 1.8Liter petrol to generate 200nm torque for 10 mins. You know which one more more efficient.
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post Jul 6 2012, 10:24 PM

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is Ionizer a good function? worth to have or not at living hall? tq


Added on July 6, 2012, 11:12 pmDo i need to replace the ionizer generator after few years? can some one advise me? Tq

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post Jul 6 2012, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 6 2012, 09:46 PM)
according to the sales person, if btu higher, will drawn more electric during starting....which i think is reasonable..... rclxms.gif
But, some sales person say, higher btu, faster cool, then lagi save electric....

i think (just my think, not the fact), i can just rely on EER for the electric saving guidance.......... rclxub.gif
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Higher capacity unit does cool the room faster. However, if your room only need 1HP but you put a 1.5HP, you not only waste initial capital, have higher electricity bill, and also resulting in alot of cut in cut out of compressor.

Even with inverter, the min frequency that it can run maybe 20Hz for certain brand, can only run for a specific amount of time. If the room temp does not rise, the unit will be forced to cut out. In that case, if start stop is so frequent even with inverter, what is the use of having inveter?

So size your AC properly. Don't just go for the biggest available.

Also, EER is just a reference. How they got their capacity depends on how each manufacturer do their testing. There is no apple to apple comparison for AC in Malaysia. Even if with the star rating, it is a relative comparison. The most accurate comparison is NEA from Singapore, where one stop testing for all brands under the same condition. Therefore, it will be apple to apple comparison. However Singapore unit spec can be different from what you get in Malaysia for certain brands to pass regulations and what not. But I guess, it will be logically dumb to choose a low EER unit from a high one right?

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post Jul 7 2012, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jul 6 2012, 11:43 PM)
Higher capacity unit does cool the room faster. However, if your room only need 1HP but you put a 1.5HP, you not only waste initial capital, have higher electricity bill, and also resulting in alot of cut in cut out of compressor.

Even with inverter, the min frequency that it can run maybe 20Hz for certain brand, can only run for a specific amount of time. If the room temp does not rise, the unit will be forced to cut out. In that case, if start stop is so frequent even with inverter, what is the use of having inveter?

So size your AC properly. Don't just go for the biggest available.

Also, EER is just a reference. How they got their capacity depends on how each manufacturer do their testing. There is no apple to apple comparison for AC in Malaysia. Even if with the star rating, it is a relative comparison. The most accurate comparison is NEA from Singapore, where one stop testing for all brands under the same condition. Therefore, it will be apple to apple comparison. However Singapore unit spec can be different from what you get in Malaysia for certain brands to pass regulations and what not. But I guess, it will be logically dumb to choose a low EER unit from a high one right?
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tq for the info...btw, i just purchase two unit...as per my earlier decision, mitsubishi heavy industry 1hp with ionizer n 1.5hp without ionizer...total price without installation is rm2080....reasonable price...hehe...
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post Jul 7 2012, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 6 2012, 09:25 PM)
I am surveying aircond too....

current in my list are follow the priority
1) mitsubishi heavy industry (Deluxe type-SRK model)
2) hitachi (Deluxe type-RAS)
3) mitsubishi electric (Mr Slim-GF & FF model)

My comparison according to my consideration
1) Ioniser (1st & 2nd only) 3rd only actually just to remove bad smell (plasma)
2)Warranty (2nd and 3rd got 2+7 year warranty, 1st only 1+5 year warranty
3)Self clean - 1st:Auto Clean, 2nd:No self clean, 3rd, manual clean
4) EER, 1st one is the best, then 2nd and third (Have to confirm again) - Higher is better to save electric)
5) btu, according to sales person, 2nd=10000btu, 3rd=9545btu, 1st=9000btu (lower is better)

6) price range: similar
7)quality:according LYN, all three brands are good and realiable

My decision: (Tomolo I will buy it)
1) Mitsubishi Heavy Industry because safe electric and got auto cleaning. although warranty is less, but i think when the time after 5 yrs, i oledi forget where do i keep the warranty card oledi....hehe
2) 1hp with ionizer at my master room (coz use longer while sleeping) and 1.5hp without ionizer at my living hall (I think not frequent, if hot and want good air, go to bedroom lo)
3) 1hp (with ioner) = RM980 and 1.5hp (Without ionizer) =RM1130
So RM2k got two aircond....

Will buy for other rooms when i got extra money.....haha
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I've just bought myself 4 MHI (Deluxe series) air-conds. 3 SRK10 and 1 SRK19.... Hopefully it's the right decision. Sales person claimed the SRK19 (2HP) can blow up to 18meters away.
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QUOTE(michaellks @ Jul 7 2012, 09:10 PM)
I've just bought myself 4 MHI (Deluxe series) air-conds. 3 SRK10 and 1 SRK19.... Hopefully it's the right decision. Sales person claimed the SRK19 (2HP) can blow up to 18meters away.
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18 ft more like it. Meter think is bit to much, that is about 54ft.
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post Jul 7 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 7 2012, 06:52 PM)
tq for the info...btw, i just purchase two unit...as per my earlier decision, mitsubishi heavy industry 1hp with ionizer n 1.5hp without ionizer...total price without installation is rm2080....reasonable price...hehe...
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I think the price is dirt cheap for inverter.


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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2012, 09:43 PM)
18 ft more like it. Meter think is bit to much, that is about 54ft.
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The website does say 17m with powerful mode,11m with high fan mode.

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post Jul 7 2012, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jul 7 2012, 10:42 PM)
I think the price is dirt cheap for inverter.


Added on July 7, 2012, 10:43 pm
The website does say 17m with powerful mode,11m with high fan mode.
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Mine one are not inverter type....

Yes, same as the catalogue, 17m with power mode........."Jetflow"
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post Jul 7 2012, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 7 2012, 09:43 PM)
18 ft more like it. Meter think is bit to much, that is about 54ft.
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post Jul 7 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 7 2012, 10:54 PM)
Mine one are not inverter type....

Yes, same as the catalogue, 17m with power mode........."Jetflow"
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Still it is dirt cheap. You sure it is 2080 not 2980?
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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 7 2012, 06:52 PM)
tq for the info...btw, i just purchase two unit...as per my earlier decision, mitsubishi heavy industry 1hp with ionizer n 1.5hp without ionizer...total price without installation is rm2080....reasonable price...hehe...
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Where u bought it? Might to share? I am looking for few units ...

Anyone heard of Midea brand? How is it ? I been quoted by Onking RM1099 + RM200 installation fee for 1.0 inverter type which can use normal aircon piping. Is it reasonable price?
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QUOTE(xerox1234 @ Jul 8 2012, 12:00 AM)
Where u bought it? Might to share? I am looking for few units ...

Anyone heard of Midea brand? How is it ? I been quoted by Onking RM1099 + RM200 installation fee for 1.0 inverter type which can use normal aircon piping. Is it reasonable price?
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Media...hmmm
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post Jul 8 2012, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(khieni @ Jul 7 2012, 06:52 PM)
tq for the info...btw, i just purchase two unit...as per my earlier decision, mitsubishi heavy industry 1hp with ionizer n 1.5hp without ionizer...total price without installation is rm2080....reasonable price...hehe...
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What's the model and where you het that from? Both non inverter?
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post Jul 8 2012, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Jul 7 2012, 11:34 PM)
Still it is dirt cheap. You sure it is 2080 not 2980?
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yes.sure...got receipt...
yeah...


Added on July 8, 2012, 11:25 pm
QUOTE(xerox1234 @ Jul 8 2012, 12:00 AM)
Where u bought it? Might to share? I am looking for few units ...

Anyone heard of Midea brand? How is it ? I been quoted by Onking RM1099 + RM200 installation fee for 1.0 inverter type which can use normal aircon piping. Is it reasonable price?
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at jalan puchong...opposite army camp besides kfc...

rm200 bit high...normally rm 130- rm 150

midea....mmmm...no idea...but, i will advice u try to get few shops recommendation....diff sales man diff idea...other saleman might tell u the drawback of midea...u can also go cheras, opposite leisure mall across main road...bsides public bank...he is a good salesman...u will learn alot frm him...


Added on July 8, 2012, 11:30 pm
QUOTE(Kelv @ Jul 8 2012, 01:08 PM)
What's the model and where you het that from? Both non inverter?
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i do not hv info at my hand right now ...but i remember is

srk10cjv4 1.0hp wv ionizer
srk12cj4 1.5hp without ionizer...

both is non inverter
1+5 warranty...

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post Jul 9 2012, 02:34 PM

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I have been in a waiting list with Onking for a Mitsubishi Electric 2.5hp inverter for a month already... they are saying the suppliers got no stock....

Does anybody here knows if there is stock anywhere?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(wideawake @ Jul 9 2012, 02:34 PM)
I have been in a waiting list with Onking for a Mitsubishi Electric 2.5hp inverter for a month already... they are saying the suppliers got no stock....

Does anybody here knows if there is stock anywhere?

Thanks.
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maybe u can try ask D_legend or one 8 @ cheras...
u can ask one shop besides public bank,nearby one 8....smile.gif

those shops under my consideration before or during my aircond purchasing...smile.gif

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midea is good.my house using midea and daikin .midea outlook and cooling all the way better than daikin


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post Jul 9 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(suppinfresh @ Jul 9 2012, 07:30 PM)
midea is good.my house using midea and daikin .midea outlook and cooling all the way better than daikin
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good sharing...smile.gif
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post Jul 10 2012, 11:49 AM

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Anyone has comment/price for the latest Panasonic air cond?


Added on July 10, 2012, 2:43 pm
QUOTE(michaellks @ Jul 7 2012, 09:10 PM)
I've just bought myself 4 MHI (Deluxe series) air-conds. 3 SRK10 and 1 SRK19.... Hopefully it's the right decision. Sales person claimed the SRK19 (2HP) can blow up to 18meters away.
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How much you bought? Both non-inverter right?

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