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Household [Home Appliances] Water Filter, for drinking water purpose

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post Sep 1 2013, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(fir3man @ Sep 1 2013, 04:03 PM)
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post Sep 2 2013, 12:43 PM

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Anything added over the limit will danger to human. Even things we eat like yellow noodle, "Lou shu fun" over the limit will also kill human. Remember the "Lou shu fun" that kill many children many years back?


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post Oct 29 2013, 09:27 PM

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I use membrane in my mom house and 3m in my house. Both have its pros and cons. Membrane need to back flush 1min every day. These are water wastage. 3m cartridge change when the water pressure drop is not necessary 1year, can be more or less. I use my 3m filter almost 2 years, 23months to be exact. just brought my replacement from xam max. Planning to replace if got time. Anyway 3m is international certified, if I can afford I will choose an international certified product than a boleh land certified.

My 2cents.

QUOTE(Solar freak @ Oct 29 2013, 07:50 PM)
3M AP902 Filter up to 5 micron (POE)
3M AP DWS 1000 up to 0.5micron (POU)
Total RM 2099
3M AP902 replacement RM 399 (1 Set)
3M AP DWS 1000 replacement RM 450 (1 set 2 catridges)

Clazzen UF 3000 with auto back wash filter up to 0.01 Micron (POE)
Clazzen Bio Energy Drinking water 6 catridges up to 1 micron (POU)
Wash tangki
Total: RM 1820~1910 (inclusive delivery and installation)
Clazzen UF3000 Replacement every 3 yrs RM 480
Clazzen Bio Energy Drinking water Replacement  RM 300~330 (1 set 4 catridges)

Coway POU up to 0.5 micron RM 99/Month One year RM 1188

So it makes sense Clazzen system more cheaper and far more superior filtered water
POE 3M 5 micron Clazzen UF 3000 with auto flush  0.01micron
POU 3M 0.5micron Clazzen 0.01micron
Maintenance POU 3M RM 450 (2 catridges) Clazzen RM 300~330 (4 catridges)
Wash tangki to protect Bathroom/toilet fixtures 3M don't have Clazzen do have Yes.
Coway POU Rm 99/mth in long run more expensive and yet don't have POE and wash tangki.

Now can judge which system in term of Filtered water quality and Cost who benefited most ? The answer is You.  Make wise choice.
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post Oct 29 2013, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(812799 @ Oct 29 2013, 11:25 PM)
bro, how much is the filter replacement for both outdoor and indoor ?
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Use list price for budget.
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post Oct 30 2013, 10:40 AM

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MAS. Haha I don't take the chance. I travel very frequent last few years I change to sia for peace of mind.

QUOTE(Solar freak @ Oct 30 2013, 10:29 AM)
Basically the outdoor filter is to reduce sediments and rust, 5 micron is very good already, 0.01 micron is like drinking quality.

That is why 0.01 micron is also important to safe guard the Hse Plumbing and Equipment. The benefit you will get is cost saving from rectifying all the hse Plumbing and equipment

Well, think about it, will 0.01 micron filtration reduce your incoming water pressure? Definitely yes, the smaller the micron, the harder water can flow through your filter. Is that good? No, the wives wont like it as it will affect your kitchen's water pressure.

Generally Syabas incoming pressure if 90% occupied housing will be 2bar to 3bar. With the pressure average 2.5 bar in Kitchen water Pressure will wet their surrounding basin and clothes hence all of the user will instead  full turn tap they will turn 10% tap only to control the water pressure

Secondly, can membrane filters maintain consistent filtration of 0.01 micron all the time? No and membrane filters are quite fragile, could not withstand pressure >3bar.

Genuine original Membrane can withstand pressure >3bar and Ceramic filter no showing yellowing and browning even after 2.8yrs. The Non Genuine or recycle cannot with stand pressure > 3bar because some of the reseller/Dealer are using very powerful chemical to clean it and resell as new. The same time membrane also need to perform Back washing and Flushing to maintain the filtration. Lot of installer/ reseller don't teach customer to do so but only depend on the auto flushing device to do it. You might hear/read some of the information the membrane fail 1 ~ 2 yrs because they did not perform the back wash and only depend on Flushing.

I checked with some of my suppliers, there are many Membrane filters catalog state that they can withstand 5-6 bar but why online state only 3bar. The answer is bcoz the filter stainless steel body (casing) can withstand 5-6bar not the membrane inside.
http://www.emis.vito.be/techniekfiche/ultr...ion?language=en

Stainless steel body can withstand up to 6 bar. Membrane on the hand can withstand up to 4 bar. You wont find any building in Malaysia tap pressure is more than 3.5 bar even you can find most of the time plumbing start to leak/burst already.

Clazzen system is currently been used in MAS  meaning to say the Food and drinking water we are consuming in Aeroplanes are  using Clazzen Technology. Airlines food and water are most priority hence  we meet their strict quality control.
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post Oct 30 2013, 05:16 PM

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There won't be ending of argument. NSF and some other reputable organization will have it own benchmark.

The person buying it will be the one making final decision. I buy 3m because it was affordable (compare Amway), NSF certified, and its size. Some other may have different reason. If you search back think I am the one bring up the 3m filters into this forum discussion.

I used sand, membrane and now 3m. Sand is really no no to me. Bulky and not really clean, yes sometime my cloths still get the brown color problem, and I dont want a mini reactor look in front of my house. Lazy to do back wash. Membrane still bulky buy acceptable if 3m doesn't exist.

My ideal setup was amway for internal and 3m for external. Hey 3m give good promotion.. So I go all out for 3m.

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post Oct 30 2013, 05:23 PM

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Whatever certificate, make sure is genuine.. Remember the diamond water giving false information.. That is not ethical and I ban diamond.
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post Oct 30 2013, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 30 2013, 08:58 PM)
Really... My fish somehow manage to survive in RO for say more than 4 years now... hmmm.... sure or not..... as I remember all Sea Aquarium need RO filtration so your statement very fishy!!! really... I have 2 Aquarium 1 on shrimp (Japanese Shrimp) very delicate fresh water shrimp and it survive using RO and another one mainly for my Normal 4 ft tank also on RO water...

RO offer the purest water minus the negativity of boiling water cause boiling water reduce oxygen inside water... also RO is not the same as distilled water cause distilled water is DEAD water... wile RO water is pure water without mineral but high oxygen...
Don't say Fish cant survive in RO water smile.gif cause in Aquarist RO is the best water for fish...
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Crs shrimps? very high maintenance. Need a chiller.
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post Oct 31 2013, 09:45 AM

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Let me try answer the question you raised o. The ro
(I choose to answer later because I want to see how the water expert answer smile.gif )

My humble 2 cents.

RO water is good for aquarium, salt or fresh. Only when changing partial water because is stable, and mineral will not be gone because there still 2/3 or old water and the bio balls.

I use Amway filter water for my shrimps, planted, and guppy tanks.heat and Lighting is also challenge.

QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Oct 31 2013, 09:23 AM)
You are refering to the old skool RO filtration... the newer filtration that I have already solve the fundamental nutrient thing... the new R.O has post filter which is mineral stone and nutrient cartridge and this is where clean (un polluted) nutrient is added back to R.O. pure water... thats why my fresh water fish tank (the 4ft ones) can survive under it... also fish need clean water (un polluted water) as it is their life under clean stream... no one want to stay in heavy polluted industrial zone Air... even human prefer clean un-polluted air... same with fish they are less stress...

back to RO... I will recommend to get the one with Post filter cartridge which put back all the mineral and nutrient that been filted away by R-O system... it works and it clean...
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post Nov 3 2013, 11:23 AM

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Yesterday had some time so Change both the Indoor and outdoor 3M filter. Both the filters already 23months old.

Make sure the incoming water supply are close.

The Outdoor are straightforward, just push the level and turn. Picture below show the size, and the small footprint for my outdoor filter. On the floor is the old filter, still looking good from the exterior.
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The Indoor is tricky because water will flow out when you take it out, and don't want to wet the cabinet. A small rectangle bucket, and some cloth/fabric will do the trick. Best lift out the filter, let the it sleep, unlock and turn the filter.

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The new filters come with NSF certification, and what it can filters/tested with.
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post Feb 17 2014, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Feb 17 2014, 10:24 AM)
My plumber said, because I travel back to hometown during CNY, so i OFF the syabas valve.
that's why the PVC inside no water summore 3 weeks didnt' rain.
That's why the valve easy to break.

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I notice this PVC valve after long exposure on the sun, it will become sensative to pressure change. When you off the main incoming, the presure may have switch high from incoming to low. And that cause the PVC valve leak. The PVC valve on my 3M filter had this problem, it happen right after Sybas water distruption (after 1 year of usage), same for my mom house.

I end up change the PVC vavle to Brass, it cost me around 20+ each, and i need 3. Still no time change my mom units, but temporary I managed to fix it by just turn on, off the valve few time.
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post Feb 17 2014, 01:23 PM

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Syabas mandatory to use ss/GI pipe until meter, maybe we can sue them to made us die faster.
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post Feb 17 2014, 02:20 PM

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Usually free installation for water filters they will use PVC vakve. Happen to My 3m filter too. I just change the PVC valve to brass after it start leaking. If yours not expose to sunlight, can last few years. My mom house lasted almost 4 years. Is not the PVC pipe, so not too worry on the pipe, is the valve.
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post Mar 12 2014, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Mar 12 2014, 05:25 PM)
anyone knows where else to get the 3M filter? or got zheilwane's contact? i pmed him but haven't received a reply yet.
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post Mar 31 2014, 10:36 AM

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Since the water rationing started, few of my friends using Sand filter having issue with water quality, before the filter the water are dam dark like (Kopi-O), after sand filter is like Teh-O. Now they have to off the main pipe let the other houses take the first batch of water, only then they switch on the main tap. Bad for them because they have to wait later before open the main valve, and that lead to slow fill up to the tank, also have to do frequent back flush.

Frankly, I don't find sand filter useful and is actually wasting more water, maybe this is one reason why our Selangor Dam water can't fill up even after many rains. Too many people doing back flush wasting water.
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post Apr 1 2014, 01:15 PM

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Sand filter useless la, in extreme case, it concert kopi-o to teh-o. This happen to friend now.
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post Jun 11 2014, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Jun 10 2014, 05:25 PM)
Hi guys,

Which one will you all choose? (Condominium usage)

a) Perfect steel fibre sand filter at rm 690 with installation

or

b) 3M AP Easy complete at RM 690 with installation

Any idea about the filter replacement cost?
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AP Easy for indoor right? Sand filter is for is for outdoor. If you need to have filter before the water come into the home, Sand is cheaper but bulky, 3M also have one for outdoor #M AP902, smaller and compact.
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post Jun 14 2014, 12:29 AM

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3m got two different indoor water filter. The ap dws1000 is a two cartridges system and give better filtration.
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post Jun 14 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(tuahayam @ Jun 14 2014, 12:45 PM)
another question.. what about tupperware brand? NANO NATURE WATER FILTRATION SYSTEM about RM2K

and cosway water filer.. the price not exceed RM1K ?

last question.. 3m has a few product.. like 3M AP Easy complete and AP DWS1000 .. but the price is big different.. why that
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For 3m, dws1000 filtration are better. Compare the specification.

For other brands price difference, need to check the specification, branding, and marketing. All this will have impact to $$$
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post Jun 14 2014, 03:26 PM

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I got my 3m filter from xammax damansara uptown too


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