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Household [Home Appliances] Water Filter, for drinking water purpose

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post Jun 26 2012, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 25 2012, 11:42 PM)
So every month I m using 10m3 water or 10000liter. Put it at 378,000liter / 10000liter = 37.8month. Or about 3 year before I need to change the filter. That is quite longtime.

For indoor, 2person drink about 4liter/day. That is 2365liter/4liter = 591day. Or about 1.5year before need to change the filter.
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That is why I go for an indoor drinking water filter that has a built in flow meter. Take the guess work out of the equation.

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post Jun 26 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(Spritzz @ Jun 26 2012, 08:29 AM)
why calculate so much on this? Just take alphamax with backwash will do... low maintenance compare to 3M. Cost wise cheaper as well.
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Alphamax can not filter the dissolved toxic chemicals nor many bacteria.

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post Jun 26 2012, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(napoli26 @ Jun 26 2012, 09:46 AM)
haha bro, no more BN in this section thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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off topic.
If BN did wrong, I never defend them
If PR did wrong, I voice it also.

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post Jun 26 2012, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(napoli26 @ Jun 26 2012, 10:05 AM)
so wats your comment on our water quality? is it safe to drink just like tat? or muz hv filter?
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In theory, yes. But in practice, you never know. That is also the case with public water supplies in Western country when there had been cases of public water treatment breaking down and people dying because of it.

AFAIK, all public water treatments do 2 things only:
1. Remove insoluble stuff like dirt and sand etc. Same as your Back Wash filter.
2. Kill bacterias and viruses using Chlorine. Back Wash filter can not remove some of the smallest bacteria and all viruses.


If you don't want to take chance, my suggestion is:
1. Get a charcoal filter that will filter off dissolved chemical, some can cause cancer. No public water removes these. It will also removes the bacteria killing Chlorine so these filtered water must not be kept too long.
2. Get a UV light to sterilize any 'too-small-to-filtered-off' bacteria and virus. So no need for further boiling.

Just make sure you buy quality filters that are certified by NSF etc and conform to Standard 52(?) and for UV lights, Standard 55(?)




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post Jun 26 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(NIckLJF @ Jun 26 2012, 11:11 AM)
Not recommended to drink directly due to the chlorine content in our water. It is added into our water at treatment plants to kill microorganisms.

If you want to drink directly from tap, best is to install a filter with carbon to remove chlorine.

Me myself is using a 3M water filter (AP-Easy Complete) at home for drinking and it is working very well. If you are used to drinking boiled water, it might take a few drinks before you get used to the idea of drinking from tap.
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All mechanical filters like your 3M can not filter off the smallest bacteria and almost all the viruses. These are too small to be filtered. They can only be removed by Chlorine or boiling or UV light sterilization. Hopefully all those nasty things had been killed off by the Chlorine before you removed the Chlorine.


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post Jun 29 2012, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2012, 10:08 AM)
My experience with anway old filter with UV is not last long. Easily get burn out. Worry maintainence cost is high.
When you replace them, make sure you don't use your hand to touch the tube body itself and leave finger print.

It should last 12 months.
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post Jun 29 2012, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2012, 02:56 PM)
That is old amway model. Maybe got improve now. But not going to buy this stupid expensive filter anymore.
Is that the 2nd model, the one before the present ones?

IMO, though expensive, Amway's is one of the best based on specification. Philips got a good one but could never find it in the market and it's a lot cheaper.

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post Jun 29 2012, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2012, 04:28 PM)
I guess is the first model. Cost rm3k+ back 13yrs ago. Consider very expensive back. Now don't need all this expensive filter just to drink a glass of water.
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I would like to know which filter water that has fulfilled the following standards at cheaper price than Amway.
1. Fulfill NSF Standard 52. Removal of dissolved chemicals etc.
2. Kill bacteria and virus so no need boiling. Something similar to NSF Standard 53.

I have tried looking for alternative but couldn't find one.

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post Jun 29 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2012, 04:59 PM)
Actually I didn't drink tap water for longtime. I drink mineral water direct from those 19l tank type.

For my home, just a basic filter after meter and charcoal filter below sink. And boil the water if want to drink tap water.
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19L tank. Are these certified? Some bottled water are mere tap water.

Charcoal filter. Can remove dissolved chemical but these need changing. I only trust those that had been certified by NSF. And I think those certified ones all expensive like Amway.

Boiling. I hated this. Only easily found viable option is Amway.

I have looked high and low to replace the Amway but no luck. They are still the best and most importantly, easily available. Philips has an almost equally good ones at half price but nowhere to be found.


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post Jun 29 2012, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2012, 05:26 PM)
The mineral water is ocean brand. Not sure got cert. have been drinking for over 10yrs.

I don't go that crazy clean just for a drinking water. It will weaken my immune system. Even now just drink mineral water, it already give me problem when going to 3rd world country for a holiday or work. Not to mention my favorite jungle outdoor activity.
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I think you are confusing Amway system with R.O. membrane system. Only Distilled and R.O. system will remove the minerals in the water and best be avoided. Amway and others don't.

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post Jun 29 2012, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2012, 05:43 PM)
I mean I brought those mineral water name ocean brand. That you normally see in the office 19L. For mineral water, it is  blue cap. While RO or drinking water is white cap. For that longtime I drink, I can different the mineral water and RO water taste. Sometime they do deliver the wrong 1. Once I taste different, scold them kau kau.
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so how much is the price per liter of those bottled water delivered to your office?


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post Jun 29 2012, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 29 2012, 06:05 PM)
Rm10 19L.
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That is 53 sen per liter. Super expensive.

Amway's filter is rated for about 5000 liters at about RM650 thereabout. That translate to only 13 sen per liter. May be just go trade in your old Amway for the new ones. Cheaper, certified cleaner water, less hassle on delivery. My 2 sen.



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post Jul 5 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(xerox1234 @ Jul 5 2012, 09:59 AM)
How to know if the 3M filter is more durable than membrane filters? Normal membrane cartridge can last for 4 years in average but subject to backwash (normally automatic timer). In term of outdoor basically nothing much just to keep away the dirt. There is not much different in term of outdoor unit except for the maintenance cost. For me the most important will be Indoor filter where I will go for NSF filter smile.gif
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How long it will last and how well it can filter are 2 different thing. IMO, the later is more important than durability.

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post Feb 15 2014, 12:06 PM

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Philips used to have one in Malaysia. Manufactured in India. Very cheap. But it does have the necessary NSF 42/53 standard so definitely worth a look. I didn't because I couldn't find any dealer having it so getting replacement filters will be a problem. In fact, of the few I contacted, they don't even know what I am talking about

Like I said earlier, just make sure your filter has NSF or WQA certification 42/53. If they don't, just walk away.




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post Feb 15 2014, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Feb 13 2014, 08:42 PM)
Not trying spoil any brand here. But to be honest, I highly stay away from Diamond brand, misleading commercial/advertising. Give fake certification claims, what else do you still want to believe their product? Taiwan/HongKong banned them from using Energy Water this marketing term and end up they have to change to Mineral Water marketing term. So is not recommended.

Be a smart consumer, don't simply blind purchase advertised products. You do not need a alkaline water, just get a NSF 48 and NSF 53 certified water filter. So far I found that the 3M brand and eSpring brand from Amway company are with the above certified, but eSpring got bonus NSF 55 UV to kill bacteria/viruses etc certified.

Maintenance fee normally annually or usage, whichever comes first.
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Technically, Diamond is a joke before.

But I notice they now say theirs have NSF 42/53. If they do have them, should be OK now.


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post Feb 15 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Edsond Tan @ Feb 15 2014, 11:04 AM)
use coway .i use very good.good service than other brand.
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Are they using Reverse Osmosis? If yes, you don't know what you are talking.

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post Feb 15 2014, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Feb 15 2014, 12:33 PM)
Yes. I know which Philips Water Purifier model you talking about. No longer produce already, I believe.
Nope, just one single filter inside the Diamond Water System have the NSF 42 certified. Not the whole Water Purifier System Certified by NSF. So end of the day, still the joke in the water purifier industry.

Source: NSF
Ahem.. That is why I put his information in the Spoiler. whistling.gif
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Ha. Some filter manufacturer keeps peppering their brochure with the word "NSF". But no details which NSF Standard they adhere to.


Filter A : The world's best impregnated ceramic filter, which has been awarded NSF Certification, thoroughly removes bacteria and impurities like dirt, silt and rust.


Filter B : NSF certified activated carbon removes unpleasant odours and colours, while natural mineral stones regulate mineral content.


Filter C : Composed of NSF certified Grade A activated carbon and a KDF metal ion converter (meeting the standards stipulated by the FDA and EPA of the United States), this filter completely removes heavy metals, chlorine, and other chemical contaminants.

Filter D : The CE2000PI Energy Conversion technology of Japan effectively breaks water molecules into the smallest possible clusters; making it easier for our body to absorb. It also increases the dissolved oxygen content in the water.


Filter E : A high-tech ID2 energy stabilizer with far infrared technology stabilizes energy in the water to keep water molecule clusters at the smallest size for a prolonged period of time.


Filter F : High-density NSF certified activated carbon combined with natural magnetic stones help balance the water to a mild alkaline level and increase the number of calcium ions to further enhance health.

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post Feb 15 2014, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Feb 15 2014, 12:33 PM)
Ahem.. That is why I put his information in the Spoiler. whistling.gif
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This is very common with Malaysian. Very often, they will say a thing is good or bad. But couldn't give you the reasons for saying that.

So we have people saying Reverse Osmosis is good but couldn't tell you what good or bad about it.

We have people saying Lynas is nuclear reactor but couldn't give you reason for saying that except the word "radiation".




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post Feb 15 2014, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 15 2014, 01:36 PM)
If just want pure H2O, just boil the water and condense it back.
When water is too clean, it will create RP effect on our body and remove out all the mineral needs.
Then we have to take all sort of chemical supplements which is more damaging to our body.
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Yes, World Health Organization has a circular saying "de-mineralized" water like those from distillation and Reverse Osmosis "is not the best choice for drinking".

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post Feb 15 2014, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 15 2014, 04:06 PM)
Just make sure the water are properly filtered by normal charcoal and boil already enough.
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Too much work. Get a proper water filter system, turn the tap, and we get clean water to drink.



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