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post Jul 20 2013, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(QQHTJ @ Jul 20 2013, 12:59 AM)
Anyone using Electrolux Combo Washer And Dryer ? Could i have some comments for this appliance? I bought it recently but i found out that it is not that efficiency.It took me around 4 hours plus to complete washing and drying.I am curious is it mine problem or it is normal.
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Heard from one of my neighbour's who use the wash and dry combo washing machine, the whole cycle (Wash + dry) takes about 3 -4 hrs depending on the load. Does it come out completely dry?
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post Aug 15 2013, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(ccheng0085 @ Aug 15 2013, 01:09 AM)
got myself a panasonic NA-148VG3 and was malfunction on the 1st use. After 2 weeks only the technician came. Something like suspension error as what i've been told. Dxxx it... cost me 2xxx for a front load and it sucks.... i'm waiting for a replacement after successfully argue with panasonic to return the item. I think I will get an ordinary toshiba top load. Not dare to use panasonic anymore...  vmad.gif  doh.gif
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Was the machine mishandled during shipping to your place? Bad suspension on a front loading can mean many things, from QC defect and also due to excessive force caused by drop from height. I think if you google, you can find someone complaining about Samsung machine as well which was dropped at the port of loading during export and subsequently they admitted that one whole batch of machine is having problem and they replaced the machine for that guy. This happened in the US or Europe.

2 weeks waiting period to repair a brand new machine which is already malfunctioning on first use is very bad, probably you can refer to consumer tribunal to get a refund.
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post Aug 22 2013, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(pat07 @ Aug 17 2013, 12:01 PM)
dear si fu..
i already do all the reading n research.. found out front loader is the best also the more expensive one.. lost confidence in LG as all my LG electronic already broke down.. even my NATIONAL electronic last longer than LG.. Doubt about Samsung.. i was planning to go for electrolux as my uncle electrolux washer still working after serving him for more than 20 yrs.. and only break down once.. i went to harvey to check on the price and talk with the sales guy.. they told me the main motor that come with warranty of more than 10 yrs won't have any problem at all.. the only thing that always break down is the parts other than the main motor.. so the general insurance of 1 yr is the thing you should concern with.. LG, SAMSUNG and PANASONIC are assemble locally.. Electrolux assemble in Thailand.. these are the brand that always complain by the customer.. And he recommend me the brand like BEKO.. FARGO.. BOCSH... he said is fully imported.. less customer complain.. and i saw the sticker at BOCSH washer.. Inverter warranty for lifetime!! But the price tag is way way way expensive than others.. But it gave me some thought to it..
Dear si fu.. please advise..
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Panasonic washing machine is made in China, I've got their 10kg machine with all the bells and whistle, it does the job brilliantly but in terms of quality, there is a lot for them to improve on, especially on the absorbers or damping system which does not seem robust enough to cater for 10kg loads.

Newer Electrolux machine do not have the same quality of washing machine of yesteryears (but most brands these days don't), so its your call. I've seen bad reviews on Beko washing machine and it is nowhere near being a high end machine like it is being marketed here. Bosch they have fully imported machine from Germany and they do cost a bomb, the cheaper onces assembled in Thailand (OEM from Hitachi). Samsung and LG front loaders are made in Korea.

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post Aug 22 2013, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(ccheng0085 @ Aug 21 2013, 12:33 AM)
Well, I've change to another brand, Hitachi SF-120, "top of the line" top load washing machine for hitachi. Guess what, same problem occurs. I think is the SHOP's problem since both different brand washing machine got the same problem. I'm still dealing with the dealer now, if this time still suspension problem, I will refund.

Poor handling from this company... TB* mad.gif
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Or perhaps you were unlucky? How fast did Hitachi respond? faster than Panasonic?

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post Nov 11 2013, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(cheefai7 @ Oct 23 2013, 09:15 AM)
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I've got this handsome Panasonic (NA128VA2 - TBC) 20kg front loading washing machine for whopping 3k back in 2008 when Pana first introduce the front loading, with Inverter, top spin 16000 rpm, cool white LCD backlight display, responsive dial loaded with tons of washing mode and sexy convex fiberglass with a push in handle. Of course I am confidence with the hype review of Pana top loading machine, still surviving today after 2 times changing of it's components and I found out it was obsolete a year after.

The loud thumping noise at certain point the washer is dancing with its short 4 legs and deafening whirling sound is definitely a good vengeance tools for annoying neighbours, especially I timed it for a midnight wash. When come to functionality, it does it's job quite well where it automatically adjust the washing time by the load's weight.

I am going to miss the geisha but I am going to get a German concubine for my new place.
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Mind me asking, what were the components that were replaced? I am currently using the NA140VX3 for slightly more than a year, still washes great but is very sensitive with unbalance load and requires perfect leveling for it to spin. But parts to go obsolete within 5 years of lifespan is a bit too short lived esp for a 3k machine.

Btw yours is supposed to be 8kg? I don't think Panasonic made 20kg front loaders and definitely not 16000rpm spin speed.
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post Dec 3 2013, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(pat07 @ Dec 2 2013, 02:54 PM)
dear sifu..

i got a dilemma here.. between Electrolux vs Hitachi..
Electrolux EWF14012 RM2,980, Electrolux EWF10932 RM2,300 & Hitachi BD-W80MV RM2,700

Electrolux made in Thailand / Hitachi made in Japan
But the dealer of both brand told me Japan is pro in top loader and front loader is the invention of the European..
Regardless of the load, Electrolux top spin speed only reach to 1000rpm - 1400rpm. Hitachi is 1600rpm. But do we need such high spin speed for normal cloth?? i afraid it might damage the cloth.

1. Well.. Electrolux got this Vapour Action feature.. less wrinkle.. less allergens.. but after all we still need to iron or steam the cloth right?? However the Refresh cycle feature does sound handy..
2. Jetspray = extra rinse??
3. What is so special about this time manager anyway??

For Hitachi..
1. It got this 3D sensor tech = load sensor + water level sensor, a bit like jetspray + vibration and temperature sensor..
2. it's rated A+++ which is more energy saving..
3. it run more quiet: wash 47db & spin 67db

But the drainage pipe cannot be higher than 10cm.. problem when the pipe is through the wall..
For electrolux can anyone explain to me why the drainage pipe need to be high and make a u shape?? is not making any sense to me.. electrolux can pump out the water?? even though it can pump.. there still no need to make the drainage pipe high..

So which model should i purchase??
which one more durable??
which one more delicate to the cloth??
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If you want a quiet washing machine, look for Inverter front loader. Otherwise you'll be having jet sound everytime the machine starts spinning.

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post Apr 29 2014, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ Apr 29 2014, 05:23 PM)
Report report just received my Hitachi W85SV today (although suppose to be yesterday but thing happened), run two cycle so far, first is the cotton circle without any clothing suggest by the manual to rinse out residue and water during manufacturing, everything is ok, the pump definitely not silence and during high speed spinning 1200rpm is like jet engine sound (similar sound but not as loud as jet engine).

after I watched the video someone posted here for Samsung below, compare to W85SV, W85SV sound a lot better as samsung seem louder and high pitch noise.


Second cycle I wash 5 long sleeve shirts, 5 t-shirts, 1 short pant, 4 single bed sheets, 4 pillow cases, 1 bolster case and 2 towels at once using cotton cycle  tongue.gif  washing cycle very silent as usual I think this is common with most of the modern washing machine motor nowadays, rinse cycle pump noisy, spin cycle like jet engine sound.

vibration wise although it never dance  tongue.gif but during the spin cycle at 1200rpm it's not as good as the video show below If I stack the wine glass like the one in the video on my W85SV I am sure it will fall,  maybe because of 4 bed sheets I throw inside hard to balance.


will report more once I run more cycle on this machine.
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Did you check the level of the machine and also try to see if any of the four legs are vibrating during spin and adjust them accordingly, this will lower the vibration.

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post May 2 2014, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(mcloudteo @ May 1 2014, 06:11 AM)
Lets compare both top loader (AJ-S80MX) and front loader (BD-W80MV) from Hitachi (source from the URL below)

Electrical and Mechanical Services Department Hong Kong

Brand--------Model------------------Annual Energy (kWh/Yr)------Water Consumption
HITACHI-----AJ-S80MV(8kg)-------40.3 (3.36 per month)---------127.7 (20 cycle = 2554l)
HITACHI-----BD-W80MV(8kg)------159(13.25 per month)---------48(20 cycle = 960l)

*base on Monthly Energy 13.25kWh = 20 cycle as cotton cycle around 0.68 kWh according to manual.
I) conclusion is TL use 1/4 Energy compare to FL but TL use 3X Water compare to FL.

II) so convert to dollar and cents in Selangor 1000 litre = RM0.57 so TL = RM1.46 and FL = RM0.55

III) 1 kWh = RM0.128 so TL = RM0.43 and FL = 1.7

IV) Total TL = RM1.89 and FL = RM2.25 per month (20 cycle)

V) personally I prefer FL as it's more gentle to clothing, my mom also notice the same as we switch from FL -> TL then back to FL  tongue.gif

VI) as for cost saving it's not that much different just 0.36 cents or 0.018 cents per cycle,  but the investment cost TL definitely cheaper than FL.  rclxms.gif

hope this one help.  wink.gif
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Is the front loading machine running a cold wash or warm wash (40 degC), if warm wash then the heater is the culprit in energy consumption for the front loading machine.
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post Jul 3 2014, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Jul 3 2014, 04:55 PM)
I heard this brand better than others.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Electrolux used to last long, but as most goods these days; it doesn't last very long now. The major issues are on the PCB board and sensor reliability of this machines.
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post Jul 4 2014, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Jul 4 2014, 09:07 AM)
True also. Imagine if they made long last how they wanna sell their products.
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The issue is that, all the mechanical parts of this machines will outdo the reliability of the PCB board and sensors which are required for the "Green" machine status but evetually ends up at the dump yard faster than their non energy saving counterpart.
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post Jul 4 2014, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Jul 4 2014, 11:32 AM)
In my mind always think, buy electronics depend luck too.
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Actually buying any equipment, even like cars. Some brands have reputation for reliability but then some do get a lemon unit sometimes. Yup luck plays a part.
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post Aug 10 2014, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Alan @ Aug 10 2014, 12:37 PM)
emm... getting panasonic inverter 10kg front load + panasonic inverter heat pump dryer soon (as cost 1k+ cheaper than electorlux).
is it wise to get extended 5years warranty for these 2 stuffs? if the replacement cost (mountings) is not much, then i may opt not to extend the warranty... adding up the cost of extended warranty can be  shocking.gif
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If getting Panasonic, I'd suggest getting extended warranty as the 10kg model shock absorber quality is questionable. As for reliability, I am using NA140VX3 since 2012 and had one service call this year due to coins stuck in the sump just before the drain pump causing water unable to be pump out and clothes stuck inside the machine due to this. Avoided Electrolux because of this reason and it happened with the Panasonic as well.
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post Aug 11 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Alan @ Aug 10 2014, 11:44 PM)
Wow... how much is the charges for the absorber...? Will ensure no coin enters the washer, thanks alot for the warning! I hvn't experienced coin stuck the pump with my small front load electrolux though...
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I am not sure, my absorber not yet kong. But looking at the machine struggling to balance load at max capacity is enough to proof that the absorber is not robust. There is a reason why the Panasonic is selling much cheaper despite being a 10kg machine smile.gif
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post Aug 11 2014, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Aug 11 2014, 01:07 PM)
Wow lucky i am not consider this model.
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I will be happy if it is able to make it past 6 years with no major trouble. Other than this issue, so far no other problem encountered.
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post Aug 11 2014, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Alan @ Aug 11 2014, 03:59 PM)
Maybe the body is relatively small compare to drum, shorter distance for shock absorption (car with shorter mono-tube absorber)  hmm.gif
over 6 years would be good enough for me too laugh.gif
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Looking at the rate it is going on now, I think we will be able to manage to pull off 6 years of usage from this machine. It washes and rinses well, partially due to the 5 hydroactive spout which sprays either detergent or water to the tumbling clothes during the wash. I have opened this machine up, the PCB board is fully enclosed in a separate casing (like a CPU) away from moisture. The absorber is one of the area where they skimped, and also the door lock mechanism and the door assembly. If you have children or maid who use the machine roughly, then it may fail faster due to this. That said, a similarly priced BOSCH (abt 2.4k) display unit I saw at HN also had problem with door locks. Somehow, feel Hitachi front loader maybe better than the Panasonic.
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post Aug 12 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Aug 12 2014, 09:34 AM)
It doesn't sound right if this model have problem and suggest to pay extend warranty. Why want to do that?

Is this a trend now ppl choose to pay extend warranty because want to buy a problem machine?  hmm.gif
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The extended warranty is for peace of mind operability, most appliances these days breakdown by the time they reach 5 years of age. The price of this machine + the extended warranty = to the electrolux machine with standard 1 year warranty. Hence, I decided to go with this one instead smile.gif
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post Aug 13 2014, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Aug 13 2014, 01:26 PM)
Not really good idea, for over used..
But if rental apartment from onwer supply maybe is not an a issue, if for own one for 1 day per one can be more last longer..

I don't think panasonic can be do that
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On weekends, our machine is run 3 times a day. As I separate delicate items, from dark items and so on. During festival it can go up to 4 to 5 times a day, typical washing machine should not have problem handling such loads.
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post Aug 13 2014, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Aug 13 2014, 04:07 PM)
How much your water bill do you paying per monthly?

If the top loaded really good enough for enjoy the water bill only..
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I am in Selangor, after the rebate about RM 10 - 14 per month. I am using Front Loading Panasonic.
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post Aug 13 2014, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Lamplighter @ Aug 13 2014, 04:28 PM)
From my experience, don't buy Sharp washing machines. I own a front loader and the door has broken down twice. Price of a plastic door from sharp is RM300, that's more than 20% of the whole machine. Screw them, getting rid of my machine and never buying anything from Sharp again.
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How old is the machine?. Is this for the whole door assembly or just the door catch? The cost of the door is about there for any machine. Even my old front load machine door cost is about there. The door assembly is that filmsy?

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post Aug 13 2014, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Lamplighter @ Aug 13 2014, 05:23 PM)
Machine's about 5 years, only the small part where you press in is not functioning, not sure if it's called a catch, but was informed will need to change the whole door, for the second time in a year. price is for the whole door.
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The door open is by a press of a button? I have learned to never buy a machine with such mechanism again. My old Europa had it, supposedly for being child proof but in reality this is a design that is very prone to failure.

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