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SUSOptiplex330
post Dec 3 2011, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 3 2011, 11:08 AM)
panasonic inverter compressor fridge has the most energy saving standard no matter what they state on the non-inverter fridge.

inverter compressor = energy saving

new non-inverter compressor = energy efficient

many shops claim the energy efficient fridge as energy saving fridge which confuse the most end users.

"Efficient" cannot be equal to "Saving" as the non-inverter compressor has constant RPM whereby inverter compressor has fluctuate RPM.
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Invertor motor only save electricity if there are frequent stop-start operation. So unless you have the habit of opening the door of your fridge often, I doubt there is much saving.


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post Dec 3 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 3 2011, 02:20 PM)
between inverter fridge, inverter washer, and lastly inverter aircond, inverter fridge has the most significant results on saving the electricity.
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Care to show me how you come to that conclusion?

I would think Invertor air cond would have the biggest saving, assuming you don't put it in an over-sized room.


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post Dec 3 2011, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 3 2011, 03:22 PM)
from 12am to 6am (or earlier depends when is the last time to open the fridge), the inverter fridge maintains at below 2k RPM whereby non-inverter fridge maintain at 3k or above RPM at all day.

if u can understand how the inverter aircond works, the story is same on inverter fridge.
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Take car as an analogue. In situation whereby there are lots of stop-start (as in town driving), it uses more fuel. On highway with very few speed variation and no stop-start, it uses less fuel. Invertor works on similar principle.

Take the case of non-Invertor fridge. If coldness has been achieved, normal motor has to stop completely. And when temperature rises, the motor has to restart from scratch.

Now with Invertor fridge. When coldness has been achieved, the motor doesn't stop, it merely slows down. When temperature rises, the motor doesn't has to restart from scratch but merely speeds up.

Invertor works on DC current. So AC current has to be converted to DC current and there is a power lost of 10% when doing so. So in situation whereby the motor has to be continuously running, then Invertor motor actually uses more power. For example. Putting a tiny air conditioner in a huge room.

That's how I understand it.





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post Dec 4 2011, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 4 2011, 12:11 AM)
Non-inverter compressor has constant RPM no matter when it has achieved the set temperature.
It means either fully stop or fully running. Stop-Start operation consuming more power similar to car running in city with all those traffic jam

On contrary, the inverter compressor has variable RPM depends on rising temperature or constant temperature.
There is no stop-start operation. Merely slows down or speeds up, hence saving power. Similar to driving on highway whereby you never have to fully stop and fully start up again


As I stated earlier on regarding the inverter fridge which has the most significant energy saving result in comparison to inverter washer and inverter aircond. We switch on the fridge 24/7 but aircond we don't, correct?
How often do you open the fridge door? If not often then fridge temperature hardly change so no need for stop-start operation. If there are no stop-star, there is no power power saving. But with air conditioner, we heard stop-start going on several times during the night. The more stop-start being prevented, the more power saving with Invertor.


How many of us use long hours of aircond at home? and out of how many hours is the energy saving mode? we do not know. Inverter aircond is hard to maintain set temperature especially in the afternoon or in a humid night.
For a small air cond in a big room, what you say is correct. That is why I said Invertor will not save power if you use a tiny air cond in a big room. But in a properly sized room, Invertor air cond saves a lot of power
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Added on December 4, 2011, 7:55 am
QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 4 2011, 12:30 AM)
I m using inverter aircon for 8hr everyday 365day. Able to save bill about 40%. The condition is, set the temp to 25c and mode to auto.
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This just proves what I said. In a properly sized room with an appropriately sized air cond, Invertor air cond can save a lot of money. Imagine, if your bill is RM200 a month, it translate to a saving of RM80. I don't think you can save RM80 off your electricity bill with Invertor fridge.

But if you put a small 1HP Invertor Air cond in a big community hall, your saving is nil or even higher by 10%

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post Dec 4 2011, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 4 2011, 12:10 AM)
The inverter is using ac and not dc. It use frequency hz to control the speed.
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Inverter Air conditioner has to convert the AC to DC first before use. In doing so, loss of power is approximately 10%. So if the motor has to work full power without stopping (like tiny air cond in huge room), an Invertor air conditioner actually uses more power than non-Invertor air conditioner.

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"Inverter" air conditioners use a variable-frequency drive to control the speed of the motor and thus the compressor. The variable-frequency drive uses a rectifier to convert the incoming AC current to DC and then uses pulse-width modulation of the DC current within an inverter to produce AC current of a desired frequency."

"Conversion energy losses from AC to DC and then back to AC can be as high as 4 - 6% for each conversion step."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverter_%28air_conditioning%29

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post Dec 5 2011, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 5 2011, 11:22 AM)
Electrolux is sourcing its top freezer fridge from Haier.
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Fridge with Electrolux label and people automatically think it is good. But with Haier label, people automatically ask around "is it OK?" Good doesn't even come to mind.


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post Feb 17 2014, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 17 2014, 01:33 PM)
More electronic parts = easier to fail.
Make it this way, a basic fridge that can last 10 years with 2 years warranty which you never send it back for repair.
An inverter that gives you 5 years warranty and during the 10 years usage, it failed twice and repair may take 1 month each time.
Inverter boast that they can save up to 40%(under certain condition which tested by them) which is doubtful in actual we can get that value. Is just like the latest Mitsubishi Attrage/Mirage that boast can do 21km/l but with the manual variant and drive at 80-90km/h on flat road only.
So, is your take on which you want to. For me, less headache is my primary target.
I don't give a sheet on warranty, I will concentrate on reliability.
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No idea about fridge.

But if you know how to use them, Inverter air conditioner really will save you 40% in actual experience.




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post Feb 17 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 17 2014, 04:28 PM)
How to use? Follow their testing method of low load?
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Go to air cond thread. Explain there already

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3061458/+380


BTW, I find it hard to find power consumption of fridge sold in Malaysia. It's easy for air cond but not fridge.



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post Feb 18 2014, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 18 2014, 09:06 AM)
It is something like general information. But at least there is a information for us to know. The only way to check accurate consumption is like what you do. Use a kill a watt meter. As you know each household have his own habit to use fridge. So no way the manufacturing can measure it.

Another about accurate guide is those fridge really save, have 5star rating and state annual consumption. But it still subject to some standard guideline testing. That maybe very much different from your pattern of using.

I guess your fridge at least over 10yrs. It is quite high consumption per liter. The only way you can do is change. It is an old mechanism problem. Just like my 1. Over 16yrs, 292liter. Check with kill a watt meter - 13kwh/day, 56.6kwh/mth, RM1.86/day. sweat.gif 

I m looking for a new fridge now.  smile.gif
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I know inverter air cond can cut electricity by 40% if you know how to use them. What about inverter fridge?

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post Feb 18 2014, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 18 2014, 10:07 AM)
It is same principal and usage as aircon. But the saving amount is vary but still there.

I m looking for inverter fridge too. And I lock down the choice criteria must be inverter. Nothing else. I m welcome any new technology that improve. Others consider is, size, type of seal, type of door, compartment arrangement and consumption per liter.
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Let's say a 700 liter fridge. How much in approx Ringgit term can be expect from inverter fridge?

For example, I think for a 13,000 BTU air cond for night use, it will reduce bill from RM100 to RM60.



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post Feb 18 2014, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 18 2014, 10:40 AM)
I really don't no. As you know, fridge actual consumption only can be measure by actual usage. My habit of usage is different from your habit usage too. Unless somebody have a experience to tell.

Take Quanta fridge consumption as an example. His usage is 2.2kwh for a 291liter. If he want to get a new fridge, he either get a fridge same liter but less than 2.2kwh consumption. Or same consumption but bigger than 291liter. From here you can see he have a guideline what fridge to looking at.

I recently went to HN at check some fridge spec. Some new technology inverter fridge have very low consumption per liter. I m eyeing on this fridge.  brows.gif
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I have a 700 liter and it says 1.2Amp. Or was it 600? Couldn't remember


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post Feb 18 2014, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 18 2014, 11:44 AM)
1.2amp with 700liter is already very good saving fridge. So what consumption perday?

Some new fridge can go as low as 0.8amp for 700liter.  thumbup.gif
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No idea. Brand new Hitachi. The biggest I can find.

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post Feb 18 2014, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 18 2014, 12:33 PM)
Not really 2door series is consume less. If it smaller capacity, it can be consume less. But not big capacity.

I found out the logic that big capacity with 2 door will consume more even if it state there save. For 2 door big capacity, the opening door is very big. Cool air is heavy. It will lost very fast everytime you open the door. So it doesn't save in the way of usage. If it separate out into smaller door like French door and multi compartment, you only open the door that you need. That less cool air travel out and loss. Big door require bigger front space to open too.

Side by side door fridge is a waste space fridge for me. The middle separate is add up the total wide size. It end up, the fridge look wide from the outside, but thin and long inside. Even it state 700l or 600l, but it doesn't look have big compartment inside. Not sure you can place a big birthday cake or a cooking ware inside.
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You sure about that?

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post Feb 18 2014, 04:33 PM

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Does these modern inverter fridge comes with auto-defrost? I mean, after certain days or weeks of operation, the fridge automatically go into defrost and then restart cooling process?

I think they do but not sure.


 

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