note that my argument was that all the darts avg out to have the same accuracy. baseless general consensus doesn't really prove much. that's how politicians gets corrupted, why our police force is crappy, why teenagers follow trends - because it is base on general consensus. come to think of it, it's not really a good thing.

err....sorry if you think that. i was being sarcastic . and no i don't think it's "cool" in any level.

Sgnerf - Thanks for the mod guide! Looking at the internals of the Longshot, it may be safe to say that a similar mod can be done to it? I love taggers, they fly a decent distance and are fairly accurate, but they get very icky after a while (dust). The new Sonics are almost as good, they don't blow up in my brother's gas home made like the old one. As fun as Streamlines are, you can't hit the blind side of a barn with it even with laser sights.

when wanna start nerf war guys? any good rule sets we can use?

zeroglyph, when u shooting your target, is it the target place on floor , or make the target same as high level when you sit or stand ?

Just want to know anywhere to play with target placing
Mostly I put on floor & chair ( for high targer aiming ) Those target I shoot is small box, box for anything like toy, accessory box, stationary box....
I have try on those medicine bottle,, but not really easy to hit them fall down, I just put them up side down ( the bottle cover at below there ), sometime 100% hit on center also can't fall down, it just spin and stand back...... distance also around 10ft ~15ft.


So guys can share how you play with the target ?.

This post has been edited by vincent09: Apr 28 2009, 11:58 AM

This post has been edited by Afoxisko: Apr 28 2009, 12:03 PM

Suddenly... dragged into this. ^^

A little bit of Physics. Every dart is different, and because there are differences, there will exist one dart more accurate than others, and one dart that can not hit anything. Taggers are the most accurate (not sure about Black Tip Sonic, they are almost as good i think so) and then Streamlines are the darts that can not hit anything.

Streamlines are terrible for accuracy, but good for extra range. My brother puts them in a Rapid Fire so that when you spray it flies all over the place.

Micro Darts are so so, but stable since they're heavy.

Sonic Dart (Orange Tip) is pretty alright, but after about 20-30 shots with each dart, they start getting soft and disintegrate slowly.

Sonic Dart (Black Tip) Very Good. Heavier than the Orange Tip which makes them stable, but they don't whistle like the old Orange Tip.

Taggers are the best stock darts. Good range, good accuracy, but they get icky after a while.

Stefans are the absolute best darts. Customizeable for every occasion. Want range? Got it, reduce weight of the tip. Need a bit more accuracy? Cut the foam a little and add an extra BB on the tip. Want drunk darts? Cut fins on the foam. Or if you've got a bit of money you can buy those really tiny watch batteries, stick them into the tip of your Stefan, and add an LED into the body of the dart.



Seriously, this is common knowledge if you live with someone who collects nerf for years.

Argument about darts lol. I can't wait to see a live debate on Nerfs Blasters. Haha, guns and darts everywhere, blazing and all...

Micro Darts are the suckers yes? They're not all that great, they seem to be the average-class dart to me.

I should try Taggers soon, everyone says its great; probably a dart tag set or something.

Sonics are the ones that whistle right? They come with the Vulcan. Haven't tried that too.

My streamlines that came with the longshot and recon are the worst! They have very soft foam thats all crushed up now lol. But they go far, far and inaccurate.

I think the case is closed:

"Baseless" testing involving half dozen Lowyat forumers, plus several NerfHaven/NerfHQ forumers and their observations (no doubt having fired hundreds if not thousands of rounds) have decided that Streamlines are bad in terms of accuracy.

One (also just as "baseless" considering it's basically what everyone else is doing) observation from a Lowyat forumer says Streamlines are as accurate as every other dart.



Considering it's basically one man's observation against the rest of the Nerf world's observations, I think I'm gonna have to side with the rest of the world here.


Summary:
Darts don't average out to have the same level of accuracy, Taggers and (Orange Foam, Black Tip, whatever) Sonics are the best general purpose darts (Taggers being noticably better until someone can confirm otherwise), Streamlines have the longest range but have bad accuracy. Micros are very average.

Stefans are in a different league entirely.

This post has been edited by Afoxisko: Apr 28 2009, 02:31 PM

Yup, the Longshot has the same internal mechanism as the Recon, the same Tagger compatibility mod is applicable.

Regarding accuracy with Nerf foam darts, its a tricky issue. It also depends on the Nerf blaster used and whether its stock or modded.

In my experience, I do find that Streamline foam darts can be quite accurate with good distance when in new condition and straight, but once they are even just slight bent or damaged, they have a tendency to spiral wildly left and right (sometimes even almost curve around a corner).

Tagger or Sonics seem to be less affected by being bent or damaged, they do spiral left and right sometimes (due to the shot by shot variations), but in much smaller deviations.

Anyways, I guess i'm someone who isn't really that concerned about distance or accuracy, my personal preference is for high rate-of-fire.... just close in on an opponent (its easy to dodge single shots), then unleash a barrage of 10-20 darts, no need to aim, a few will definitely hit!

Btw, I mainly use Tagger darts simply because its velcro tips can stick to vests and clothes to register hits during dart tag games.

My brother says this is about right, I dunno, he's fired more nerfs than I have.

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Added on April 28, 2009, 2:45 pmAfoxi - why are you arguing against Streamlines? I thought you mentioned a few pages ago that you liked them?

This post has been edited by Lixx: Apr 28 2009, 02:45 PM

agree. I do agree that Streamlines start to get inaccurate when, and only WHEN they are BENT!

to zero and afo..

i think you guys should buy a new pack of streamlines for testing~

in my opinion the streamlines work really well when they are new and hard (foam part)~

coz i bought my second longshot and only then i found out the streamlines were not bad after all~~
and they are already called streamlines~~ little damages and change the whole foam's course~~

and as SGnerf said, it also depends on the blasters.. modded or not modded...

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Added on April 28, 2009, 3:06 pmthe new sonics are currently my fav ^^ (i used it on maverick~)
its not bad at all ^^ but kinda sucks on distance though~

cant wait to try taggers ><

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Added on April 28, 2009, 7:02 pmjust did the streamline test~~

sorry zero~ the other darts are more accurate as they are heavier~~
the streamline really flies retardedly = = especially with the vulcan XD

This post has been edited by nugget1123: Apr 28 2009, 07:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9bmkKWAMs

what is FBR stated in this video?
its for making stefans~

have you any idea how is it tested? the variables, the condition(range, force exerted, flight speed, even luck)? seriously the darts were not design for accuracy in the 1st place. please direct your attention to the bolded statement below and answer it.
also direct you attention to this sheet: http://www.hasbro.com/nerf/nerf-ammo-chart.pdf

note where it's from. last i checked awesome>super. if the creator claims otherwise, where lies the fact then? . heck, i won't even believe hasbro's claim. i'm sorry you don't have your own opinion though.

You guys are taking this too seriously here... Just let it go la. Nerf was created for children to play and have safe fun (sounds like some advertistment for some company ah )

The tag names on the boxes are all to lure children to buy it (or their parents anyway) They have different darts just as a gimmick...

Ya Nerf gun is play for fun, not play for killing. jk
FBR, just a form like dart, but that is a hardware use for blocking those window hole nice like or door.

But if u want to use stefan dart..... need hard work on mod

i'm not trying to be a b1tch or anything. why not you guys just try it? 2 taggers, 2 streams and 2 micros in a maverick. target range ~15ft and firing at the same angle. see which one has more accuracy. increase the target's range. at around 20ft you'll see that the micros will start to arc. does that mean micros has less accuracy? no, it's just that the micros is out of its optimum/effective range.

i believe my point here is valid, eventhough it's against the crowd.

thank you very much~~
but can you be specific a bit??
coz i might go to a hardware store some day~~
should i just ask the guy to give me FBR? or some other name??

thankxxxx ya

FBR stand for foam backer rod.
Image u can check here > http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/...campaign=941517
The usage will be something like this > http://www.historichomeworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=193
I just simply search for you

This post has been edited by vincent09: Apr 29 2009, 10:36 AM

So if TM Net advertises high speed broadband, does that mean i will get high speed broadband?

In perfect conditions, yes. In normal cases, no. Manufacturers will always boast their products in perfect conditions. Also I'm pretty sure I've fired a lot more of those darts in my Maverick/Magstrike than Hasbro claims.


Stop being so naive, you're going into denial here.


And to the person saying brand new streamlines are accurate, put it this way - are you going to buy new streamlines for every 30 times you fire them?

did i say we should believe hasbro? i am well aware of marketing scheme.

take a look at the graph below if you didn't actually bother to test my suggestion on my last post. i've created it as a reference.


the graph denote accuracy/range. if all the variables and conditions are the same, all the compared dart would have the same accuracy. this is if the target is within their(the dart) optimum/effective range threshold(the lowest of the 3). once you go over this range, it is not a proper comparison anymore since streamline can go further than most. the heavier darts will arc before the streamline. remember we a comparing dart accuracy here, not guns.

a LS firing streamlines is not comparable to a maverick firing streamline. sure a streamline fired from a LS would go haywire since the force exerted is just too much. especially true as the range increases. but below the effective threshold, it could still maintain its trajectory.

as i said try mixing up 3 types of stock darts inside a maverick and fire away. you'll noticed the graph formation to be accurate.

ps: i just think of an analogy(man i'm so free today). a 9mm ammo would have the same accuracy as a 7.62mm within the 9mm's effective range(IF fired from the same gun, although not really possible). you can't compare them the other way around as the 9mm can't go as far as a 7.62mm.

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Apr 29 2009, 05:22 PM