QUOTE(jamis @ Sep 3 2010, 04:32 PM)
DUDE, ur face pull is freaking strong. my max i tries is 30lbs for good form + mind muscle connection.
Huh? How to mind muscle the external rotators? The whole shoulder has so many damn muscles. Some more have to muscle-disconnect the rear deltoids...
I just main bantai only! LOL!
QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Sep 3 2010, 05:20 PM)
erm, 80lbs is kinda too much to maintain proper form for me, coz i cant hold it during concentric
60lbs is just nice 2s hold.
may be i did it wrong. i just keep reminding myself to retract my shoulder blade during concentric
Points for ponder, this is a good diagnosis to check if your form is right.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...ulls_and_shrugsDiagnosis Via Face PullIn cases where the rotator cuff is known to be weak relative to the deltoid, the posterior deltoid can overtake the rotator cuff as the primary external rotator.
This will show up in the face pull as the humerus (upper arm bone) hyper-abducts relative to the scapula. In other words, as you pull horizontally, the scapula stops moving and the upper arm bone continues to be pulled back along the horizontal plane. Rather than the upper arm bone and the scapula ending up in the same plane during the contracted phase of the face pull, the upper arm bone and scapula form an angle. The dead giveaway is a dent or a dimple that forms between the posterior deltoid and the infraspinatus.
If this is the case, your shoulder program would be better served by working on some isolated strengthening to the rotator.
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Anyway, I don't think there's a need to go heavy for face pulls anyway... even though I myself also tak boleh tahan going balls out when doing it. My opinion is: they are stabilizers, meant to contract isometrically so that other muscles can move more efficiently. Probably something like the core muscles for shoulders.
But then, going all balls out heavy is more fun. LOL!
QUOTE(jamis @ Sep 3 2010, 10:53 PM)
Yeah, it is quite hard to keep the balance during the concentric, got to really focus and feel the muscle.
Can try doing it seated. Use the cable row machine. Or bodyweight: use something like the TRX or ropes or rings.