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post Feb 9 2011, 05:33 PM

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Bulls make $$$, bears make $$$, its the pigs thats get slaughtered.
From: Pai, Billionaire in training

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post Feb 10 2011, 09:00 AM

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I still dun understand. Why spend so much time and effort in timing the burst when these time and resources can be better use to search for the right investment in accordance to your risk appetite?

Bulls make $$$, bears make $$$, its the pigs thats get slaughtered. From Pai


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post Feb 10 2011, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Feb 10 2011, 05:18 PM)
I agree.  The plane seems to have left the carrier.  It will require us to jump in order to hope on.

I don't think I'm gambling by not buying. but will be gambling if I purchase at the cost of an arm and a leg.


Added on February 10, 2011, 5:25 pmhumm... this talk about lowering our expectations. Well, unfortunately the houses being developed in my area are medium-high range homes.

I may not be rich, but I'm a working graduate. Don't tell me I need to buy a low cost house? Where my male and female children have to share the same room.

Meanwhile, there's this bungalow collecting weeds across of my low cost house.
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Everybody like Airasia, But,

Too bad Airasia doesn't come too often and very hard to get your hands on them.

Moreover, Airasia do not cover many important routes. Even if they do, the travel is not as pleasant as MAS.

If u have a destination, lets fly MAS first while trying to get Airasia. MAS aint that bad.

The earlier u buy the ticket, the cheaper it is.

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post Feb 10 2011, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Feb 10 2011, 07:32 PM)
erm. I don't think you can compare buying a home with riding on Airasia. If you missed the chance, and the ticket is beyond what you can afford you wait next year.

You can't afford airasia then you jump to Mas?  That's very unlikely.

Now, in the case of a home. If the price goes beyond our reach... then what? Wait for next life?
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Pls allow me to explain.

If u cant afford to go travel. Even on a budget trip, dont go for it. Same with buying a house. If u cant afford yet, work harder, im sure u can finally afford it.

My point is, if u want to travel to hongkong (your dream of owning your own house, or buying a house for investment), u can either opt to fly with airasia to stop at Macau and ferry to HK. Or u can direct flight to HK.

Flying airasia to Macau is like buying hse at outskirt or outside the KL radius because it is much more afffordable. So, if u work in KL, u travel to KL, much like u travel from Macau to HK.

If u get direct flight to HK, definitely the fare is more expensive.

U may argue, flying to airasia is way way more affordable, and somemore, u can get those super cheap ticket. But, those tickets only available online (limited channel), possible midnight (limited time frame), and limited destination (It dont fly to HK - not strategic?)

Also, when buying airfare, usually the earlier u buy, the cheaper it is. Yes u may wait for the next promotion or plan way ahead, but in property life cycle, the next promotion, or next trip may takes u many years.

If one cant afford to travel to HK, sure u wait for next year. But, how many next year u have?

Waiting for SARS to hit hong kong, and hence cheaper traveling expenses? How often Sars or any other macro factors that affect traveling expenses occur? Do u really want to go to HK when SARS time? Some will really take risk, good for u then, u gotta enjoy a cheap travel, but u also increase your risk of getting infected (Just like if economy downturn, housing price drop, with unemployment and fear for losing your job around, and many many other factors, do u really want to buy a house then? Note: Exception for those investor who buy when drop price, as long as they know what they are doing, they take the risk for bigger gain)

The important thing is, u able to reach your destination. be it flying airasia or MAS. With more $, u get to fly with MAS, better service, easier point of service, more spacious, come with food etc. For budget travel, u fly with airasia, budget and free frill.

If u dont fly at all, because its too expensive, then u never get to HK.

Im sure my little Airasia-MAS-Macau-HK story have plenty of flaws, but pls bear with me.

Cheers

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post Feb 10 2011, 09:39 PM

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No one wanna comment on my Airasia-MAS-Macau-HK story? come mon,i spend a good 20 mins writing it. :-)
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post Feb 21 2011, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Feb 21 2011, 09:22 AM)
Yes, exactly, that's what I've been saying.  This is a speculator driven market.

Us medium-low income group, just has to play along.  And the response from them is...  get 2 jobs, and sell newspaper early morning  if you have too.
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Someone suggested to me a book call "The Secret", i haven't start reading yet, but from what i read from the comment at amazon, it suggest the law of attraction, where positive thinking, and action will lead you to your goals and objectives.

Maybe, being positive is the best way to deal with the increasing housing price.

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post Feb 21 2011, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Feb 21 2011, 11:43 AM)
positive thinking is important, but how positive is positive? work hard... to pay the debt for life?
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Is'nt it anyone who borrow loan from bank to buy property falls into this dilemma? Someone who positive see debt as leverage. Working hard is apparently one of the way to service the leverage, but ultimately to avoid such debt trap, one need to buy within their own means.

So in another words, if u buy within your own means, u are utilizing the leverage provided by the bank to help u achieve your goals.
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post Feb 21 2011, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Feb 21 2011, 12:03 PM)
Yes, well..  we all have burdens to bear. But when the burden is unrealistic, and is caused by people playing around. Now that's a different story.

If we all did become over optimistic, then the situation will be even worst. Everybody will be owning 2 or 3 props, and nobody to sell them to but other speculators.

Someone compared us with taiwan, and heck, we really don't want to have the same high suicidal rate as them.

Years back, I did pick up a book on property investment, after reading the first few chapters, I came to the conclusion, that it was like gambling. And it still is, it's just that people are presently winning, and this is due to the fact that there are plenty of optimistic people still gambling.

And in any gamble, there are always winners and losers, and nobody wins all the time.

Ahem... except for the house of course, because they always have deep pockets.
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For being positive, again, we dont call it burden, we call it commitment. And we decide how big the commitment, which i suggest in my previous post, buy within your means.

When something is caused by people around you, which u have little influence on it, e.g. hike of housing prices, u adapt to it.

Ya Taiwan seems to be what Malaysia is capable of transforming to. It's like a future mirror on our property market, if u can capitalize on that, than u gain a distinct advantage to others.

And no, property investment is no gambling, u may refer to this for more details:

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Investing - "Any activity in which money is put at risk for the purpose of making a profit, and which is characterized by some or most of the following (in approximately descending order of importance): sufficient research has been conducted; the odds are favorable; the behavior is risk-averse; a systematic approach is being taken; emotions such as greed and fear play no role; the activity is ongoing and done as part of a long-term plan; the activity is not motivated solely by entertainment or compulsion; ownership of something tangible is involved; a net positive economic effect results."

Gambling - "Any activity in which money is put at risk for the purpose of making a profit, and which is characterized by some or most of the following (in approximately descending order of importance): little or no research has been conducted; the odds are unfavorable; the behavior is risk-seeking; an unsystematic approach is being taken; emotions such as greed and fear play a role; the activity is a discrete event or series of discrete events not done as part of a long-term plan; the activity is significantly motivated by entertainment or compulsion; ownership of something tangible is not involved; no net economic effect results."

http://www.investorguide.com/gambling-vs-investing


And being stick to the topic, start being positive.



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post Feb 21 2011, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(TheDoer @ Feb 21 2011, 02:05 PM)
You've skipped the part with the suicide rate.

It helps with the number of zeroes we need to buy things, but does it really help our standard of living?  Perhaps for a few elite.
Investment is without "greed"  now,  this is a tricky bit. Would investing in a basic necessity be considered without greed?  What if clean source of water was up for grabs as well, and the owner can place any value upon drinkable water. Would you not say these guys are greedy? Well no right? because it's just business.

In terms of helping the economy, well first of all, it may help the economy but makes matters worst for standard of living. People become greater and greater in debt, and find themselves in deeper and deeper holes to dig themselves out off. People are talking about 2nd generation loan now. Is this really what we want? A better economy but worse standardard of living?

In such a case, a better economy is nothing but the number of zeros behind your ringgit.

If one owns a share in a company, and him owning it, allows this company to produce goods/services which people can buy and benefit from. And it provides jobs for people.  This is of course good.

Now, on the other hand, when we are talking about property speculation ("investment"), it is about owning a piece of land, that sits abandon, hoping that a genuine buyer (or another speculator) will take it off their hands. Who exactly are they helping? They're simply acting as a middle man and taking a cut from the genuine buyer. How are they helping the economy? By causing inflation basically.
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Well again, it just showed that u are not positive enough, why worrying about the negative side of development (suicide), when u have so many positive things to cherish?

What i am trying to suggest to u is, no point arguing about the economy when u have little influence about it. Unless you are Mr Prime Minister, or some Big shot in the government or private sectors, or else, the best we can do is to adapt to the change.

Also, 2nd generation loan is bound to come, zoom into reality please. Nobody want it, but that is what gonna happened. try to be positive about things, more action, then the world will be better for you.

And also, im not gonna argue with u about investment vs gambling, because positively, i believe u understood. And also, i really do suggest people giving view based on the topic of the thread, not some qq economic lesson, and what we dont want the world to be.

Last but not least, i see positive in you. tongue.gif
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post Feb 21 2011, 02:59 PM

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Either way in my opinion, the bubble is about to burst.


When bubble burst, ppl will complaint abt other things, e.g. job unemployment, and still scare to take the risk to buy a house, fearing that the price will drop lower.
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post Feb 21 2011, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(sampool @ Feb 21 2011, 03:06 PM)
why unemployment is link with the prop bubles?  rclxub.gif

even employed also not able to affort... flat sure can lah... nod.gif
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What result in prop bubble? biggrin.gif
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post Feb 21 2011, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Feb 21 2011, 03:36 PM)
bubble burst.. i will get a house  smile.gif  its not like we got alot of thing to pay to the bank.. its our 1st properties... scare what ? the one scare is those who owned more properties and each month they have to fork out xx amount of money  biggrin.gif
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They wont have to, if they infact plan ahead. As u said, living is a need, so i dont see anyhow ppl will stop renting.

bank will also tighten their belt so dont expect 90% loan.

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