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cstkl1
post Oct 1 2008, 01:39 AM

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dude current situation in the us...

better if u understand it before posting a lot of rubbish..
here is a very good example in the world.. economist are all idiots..
all the front line traders/FC will tell u this

dont worry the bill will be passed. its currently suspended.. not dismissed..
second property prices.. are not overvalued.. its just that the toxic loans that are backed up by the assets are undervalued with all the AAA bonds etc in the US/Europe is having a credit crunch issue..

NOW IS THE TIME TO BUY!!!!...in the next few months...
not places like NY/Cali... places like florida/san fran etc...
there will be a lot of bargain...

this is best time for ppl to make their one of a time retirement to settle for the next few generations..

also taxpayer aka us residents are stupid.. they dont realize with the bill pass they have a great position to make money with the tax payers money.

what i am worried is there will be more regulate short selling till things consolidate in the US or they will be market manipulation now with the future contracts on the indexes. can u believe that CME lost the Russel to ICE.. sishh..
anyway reason for this is because wall street now is more regulated..

i currently very liquid and so are my clients all positioning our self for bargain buys..
u should be to
always be a contrarian when the world is in a f*ck up

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post Oct 1 2008, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 1 2008, 08:14 AM)
muscaa,

To most people on the main street USA, we are in recession now.  So, nobody believe that the bail out bill will save USA from recession.  In fact, most people believe it will not be 700 billions.  It is more like a few trillions.  The bailout bill will either cause inflation (too much USD) or additional taxes to normal people or both.  People in main street will suffer from this bill. Only people in financial industry want this bill.

So, it is still 50 - 50 whether the bill will pass.

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righto..in some sense but wrong in the whole..

the bailout is to stablize the current sitution..

yet a lot of ppl are still blaming wall street for creating futures/options contracts on a lot of this sub-prime linked instruments. structure products.. etc..
but ultimately.. it goes back to the basic product.. the assets which backs them up.

if this bill does not pass.. its going to hit mainstreet hard... on the 4th quater earnings.
already banks linked to HSBC are not fully disclosing their write offs and the total amount of toxic loan exposure.
the worst is yet to come.

the 700billion will also create a opportunity for tax payers money to actually profit from the current situation.

all i can say..
guess what folks if u dont back them up..
the more a lot of ppl are going to be make from short selling all the futures contracts indeces in the world.
and since short selling in the us is not so regulated..
the ppl in the US.. with most off their money is banking on longing on the market.. is the one thats going to pay us
and we will us that money to buy all their undervalued assets in the US..
talk about double profits.. its a win win situation...

last post..
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post Oct 1 2008, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 1 2008, 08:32 PM)
cstkl1,

<<the bailout is to stablize the current sitution..>>

1)  Which does not solve the problem.  The credit bubble has to burst.  Meanwhile, tax payers get stuck with a bill of at least 700 billions.  The true number is at least a few trillions.  And, the longer that you delay the bursting of the bubble, the more painful that it is.

2) Every week that this bill delayed, a few large financial institution will go bankrupt.  This is GOOD.  If you delay this further until after 11/4, you do not have to rescue anyone.  They have all gone bankrupt.  So, why this is bad??  Problem will solve itself if you do nothing.

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hmm this is the problem with ppl ...

ok dude lets look what ure saying

1.U say dont bail wallstreet aka ( think about it longer its the same as saying dont position ureself for a profit position)
instead let banks fall ( all loans are backed up deposits which are partially underwritten by some insurance company on a cascading effect)

a. So instead of helping the debts of the banks.. ure asking the government to float more dough to pay back the deposits which will be taken partially by creditors.. ( aka a lot of ppl forget.. when u say bankrupt.. that means u have debtors).

b. Let the insurance companies suffer???which are again backed up by deposits/long term risk leveraging which in this case is totally unaccounted for..(doubt the actuary placed a heavy weight on AAA rated instruments failing by 50%.)

c. Where u think all that trillion dollar hedge funds are heavily invested in??and guess whose money mainly are in them.. the ppl..

d. Guess whose the biggest lender/buyer to all those sweet US bonds .. China/Japan... which now will have suffered in terms of nominal value and also the coupon rate.. and to make matters worst.. all the investment borrowings and undertakings that was leveraged based on this.. will now face margin calls on a crisis level..


hmm dude this aint the asian financial crisis...

think longer on this..

also dude this aint a bubble.. ( bubble means a overvaluation of assets.. economic growth..etc)
This is overexposed.. aka overleveraging and guess what its on real money.. ppls money.. not the governement..
its a corporate/commercial distress

What the bailout plan is meant to do is to buy over all the toxic assets.
Not meaning undervalued assets but a lot of high value assets that the banks dont have enough deposits to float.

This is the best example of farmer Joe shouting in his tele with a bud saying die u wall street son of a guns..
proudly looking at his collection of guns and his farm outside..
Guess what farmer Joe.. who did u borrow the dough for ure lease.. who did u borrow for ure equipment..who ure selling to and buying from.. every business is linked to financial leverage / arbitrage.

the current situation is a global thing.
In the US government which instead of spending USD 4 trillion up to date on war in the middle east...
dont u think its cheaper to help farmer JOe??..

kekeke
also the whole situation will be worst when contrarians with a lot of cash invest on shorting and making a ton on this foolish decisions...
so ure actually saying lets make warrent buffet even richer by being dumb..
in that case die wall street die...
die bank which has all my money ( unless ure hiding ure dough under that matress).. die
die insurance company ( which has my risk exposure paid for .. medical.. endowment..etc) die...

and than oops.. why was i fired
crap i have no dough in the bank..
i'm sick.. but cant go to the private hospital which now my bankrupt insurance company died...

this whole situation would put the world on a hold.. i mean literary..
no new tech.. ( guess what R&D spends on real money.. not on leverage/arbitrage/loans)


Pros:
N96/Iphone will most probably be in the in phone till 2020.. since no new phones were made till then..kekeke

Cons:
Streamyx will charge is ridiculous amount for slow stupid internet till 2020.

confirm last post.. kekeke

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Oct 1 2008, 09:15 PM

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