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lou chan
post Jul 11 2008, 11:41 AM


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I am close to final year with current CGPA of around 2.80, I don't think I have ample time to increase it until 3.33, the most and possible I can is to increase it till no greater than 3.10, which translates to 2nd class lower in my college's standard. AFAIK many MNCs minimum requirement is only 3.00 or above. I am quite worry with the worsening ecomomic situation and increasing competitiveness due to more and more people getting uni education, will I able to get desired job at this not so luster result? Kindly share your view and experiences. smile.gif

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post Jul 11 2008, 11:45 AM


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at least above 3.00 is better for u. depends on what position u apply for.
what course u studying?
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post Jul 11 2008, 11:46 AM


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what course you taking?
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post Jul 11 2008, 11:48 AM


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If CGPA doesn't affect your first job, nothing else will. Most of the time your CV will be sweep into recycle bin due to jobstreet folks settings like view >3.00 CGPA candidates only.

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post Jul 11 2008, 11:52 AM


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Now cpga is not that important compared to last last time. I really depending on postition u apply.
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post Jul 11 2008, 11:55 AM


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ok, I am in electronic engineering.
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post Jul 11 2008, 11:58 AM


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You are interested in which field after your graduation?
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post Jul 11 2008, 12:00 PM


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You are interested in which field after your graduation?
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Not sure, but the least I will work in is R&D field. I been considering in working in the sales engineering, but would like to have more technical experience before going for that, still everything is unknown as of now.
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post Jul 11 2008, 12:01 PM


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Depending on job and company that you're thinking of working at .. then .. cgpa might or might not important .. MNCs are very particular on your cgpa .. small companies might be particular on the subjects that you took.

When I did my degree ages ago, I was so stupid and playing around too much .. need 0.02 to get 3.0 and .. did I regret it? YES!

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post Jul 11 2008, 12:05 PM


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A friend of mine.His CGPA is less than 3 but manage to get into RnD field in MNC.It sometimes depend on luck.
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post Jul 11 2008, 02:14 PM


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At least got more than 3.2 would be better
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post Jul 11 2008, 07:01 PM


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It depends on job, for those big enterprise, government sector, banking and etc, yes, they do look of your CGPA. My manage frank told me why he takes me because i have a high CGPA, well, even i do not have efficient experience that he is looking of, he still recruit me. This is the style those big enterprise do.. certification and result base.
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post Jul 11 2008, 07:26 PM


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I apply a lot of job but they didn't care about my CGPA sweat.gif They look at it as a passport to hire only doh.gif
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post Jul 11 2008, 07:27 PM


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CGPA isn't everything...if u can 'sell' urself well...than ure done smile.gif
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CGPA isn't everything...if u can 'sell' urself well...than ure done smile.gif
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True indeed. But probably will depend on what job we apply too. whistling.gif
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post Jul 11 2008, 09:00 PM


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QUOTE(lou chan @ Jul 11 2008, 11:41 AM)
I am close to final year with current CGPA of around 2.80, I don't think I have ample time to increase it until 3.33, the most and possible I can is to increase it till no greater than 3.10, which translates to 2nd class lower in my college's standard. AFAIK many MNCs minimum requirement is only 3.00 or above. I am quite worry with the worsening ecomomic situation and increasing competitiveness due to more and more people getting uni education, will I able to get desired job at this not so luster result? Kindly share your view and experiences.  smile.gif

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am currently in an mnc... but just imagine, if u have another candidate with higher qualifications than u vying for the same job, so ofcoz that fella stands a higher chance la... but depending on the industry, a service-based mnc do not really require a 4.0 EE student... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 11 2008, 10:01 PM


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not rly affect...cgpa is juz 4 reference only

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post Jul 11 2008, 11:16 PM


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You are in engineering. Needless to say, it's very technical. Hence, when hiring fresh grads, the first thing employers look at is the academic results. Reason being that apart from this, there is nothing else to show which may give an indication to them of how good of an engineer you are. Of course, this only gets you as far as an interview. After that, it's all up to you on how you sell yourself.
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post Jul 11 2008, 11:20 PM


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CGPA results and interview skills are equally important for fresh graduate to secure the job. i saw many candidates with 2nd below, in the end doing sales job. mainly because a lot of job positions required 2nd upper and above. employers don't even bother to look at those resumes that are not met the requirements.
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post Jul 12 2008, 12:10 AM


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I dun know other unis, but in MMU, getting anything lesser than 3.33 is considered a 2nd-lower.
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post Jul 12 2008, 12:27 AM


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whether u like it or not... it will still affect
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post Jul 12 2008, 12:48 AM


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be realistic..big co usually will look at ur result..especially if u r a fresh grad

but later they will take ur experience into consideration as well

hence for 1st job,higher CGPA is veli important
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post Jul 12 2008, 01:07 AM


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If you are looking for your first job, VERY IMPORTANT!
If you are changing job for the first time, IMPORTANT!
If you are changing job again, LESS IMPORTNAT!
If you changed and changed again, NOT IMPORTANT! It's the working experience that counts!
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post Jul 12 2008, 01:07 AM


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IMO,

fresh grad => look at result, soft skills

worker => look at prev company, prev salary & technical stuff
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post Jul 12 2008, 01:07 AM


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If you are looking for your first job, VERY IMPORTANT!
If you are changing job for the first time, IMPORTANT!
If you are changing job again, LESS IMPORTANT!
If you changed and changed again, NOT IMPORTANT! It's the working experience that counts!
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post Jul 15 2008, 01:18 PM


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one of my friend her cgpa is less than 2.5. but she still can get a goob job and better pay.this is bcoz she is good in programming. she can catch up every code.easy for her to finish d programming task on time.my opinion is d company will c u performance not ur cgpa.if ur cgpa is good that will be an advantage

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post Jul 15 2008, 02:56 PM


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Yeah, most MNC companies do look at the CGPA, to protect HR's ass just in case they got the wrong person in, they have ground to say that they got him/her in because of their outstanding academic achievement.

However, it doesn't apply to high rank position such as senior executive, managers and above. In fact, these positions will require solid track record and more result oriented.

I've seen a lot 1st class or high CGPA students who can't even speak a proper sentence of english, so nothing to shout about.
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post Jul 15 2008, 04:44 PM


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Words of wisdom.

it's the cgpa that gets you the interview,
it's the interview that gets you the job.

note: for grads with 1 year working exp or less.

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Of course it will affect any fresh graduate's opportunities for their first job.

Otherwise, what's the point of working hard to get 1st class honours or a CGPA of 4.0?

At least the employers make sure that the slackers don't get rewarded with the most desired jobs like a consulting job in BCG or a trader job in Merill Lynch.


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post Jul 15 2008, 05:54 PM


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every now and then am still receiving applications from fresh graduate with 2nd lower seeking for job. my staff will file it under KIV and put it in the store room.
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post Jul 15 2008, 06:26 PM


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Don't be despaired.

Getting a lower CGPA is not end of the world.When people apply for jobs they often look at benefits like salary, benefits and etc. first instead of other things such self interest, career development, & work environments.They usually don't take into account whether they'll fit well into the job a not.

You need to have a different approach to this kind of thoughts.I'll give you an example.Assuming you're a Electrical Engineer, it's suicide to look for a job which demands programming.Look for one which you much interest in to ensure that you can talk well in interviews.With the results you have, apply a job which suits your qualification best.

Assuming you have a lower 2nd class degree, of course if you apply for a senior engineer/management post you're going to get your application ignored or chucked aside.Get what I mean?

It's not too late to start a bit low and climb up the corporate ladder.

I myself have encountered blurrps during some of my interviews before and it's normal.Just keep trying.Usually it is those jobs which did not me that I encountered questions that kept me silent.



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If u could be sloppy at your CGPA, u can/will/must afford to get a sloppy first job. If u want out, rake up the experience.
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post Jul 15 2008, 08:44 PM


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In MNC is not just saying that "degree is your ticket"
If you are having second lower OR below CGPA 3.0 you are not qualified to apply at all.
I disagree to those that mention:
"nvm about your CGPA.... just sell yourself"
Take alook at the job advertorial dudes....

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post Jul 15 2008, 09:13 PM


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MNC normally use your academic performance to filter fresh graduate.


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i m in final year of my study.my cgpa even lower than TS, sad now. i m mechanical engineering. plan to do sales engineer. scare cant get the first job. any advice beside study hard now ? thx
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post Jul 15 2008, 09:32 PM


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QUOTE(Lefty @ Jul 15 2008, 09:26 PM)
i m in final year of my study.my cgpa even lower than TS, sad now. i m mechanical engineering. plan to do sales engineer. scare cant get the first job. any advice beside study hard now ? thx
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Depends lor where your engineering paper is from.

I can tell you a Australian/Singaporean degree with average GPA can anytime be put on par with a Malaysian/UK upper second class honours degree.

We have seen engineers with 2.0+ CGPA making big waves in the local news before.So it doesn't mean an end of the road for you if you're willing to put in effort/commitment to your job.
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QUOTE(mahsiuling @ Jul 15 2008, 08:44 PM)
In MNC is not just saying that "degree is your ticket"
If you are having second lower OR below CGPA 3.0 you are not qualified to apply at all.
I disagree to those that mention:
"nvm about your CGPA.... just sell yourself"
Take alook at the job advertorial dudes....
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Totaly Agree with you....
For freshgrad if you are getting a CGPA lower than 3.0 it might be hard for you to join MNC.
and even small local company might try to cut down your starting salary as well,
keep on belif on "nvm about your CGPA.... just sell yourself" sweat.gif you will get urself into trouble cry.gif .

Anyway getting a lower degree doesnt mean end of the world... try some smaller company... if you can really perform, some local small company will pay as well as wat most MNC pay thier staff... just that u cant compare the benefit given by MNC with local small company.
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post Jul 16 2008, 01:22 AM


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CGPA for a fresh grad is quite important in securing a good job after graduation. Well, you should have put in a whole lot more effort in your studies, but since you've past the point of no return, perhaps my advice to you is to brace the first few initial years of break-in jobs...


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QUOTE(Lefty @ Jul 15 2008, 02:26 PM)
i m in final year of my study.my cgpa even lower than TS, sad now. i m mechanical engineering. plan to do sales engineer. scare cant get the first job. any advice beside study hard now ? thx
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I am an ME as well, from Purdue University. Work hard man, try out the oil and gas industry... Earns well...

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I dont think is important la... is how u present urself during the interview...
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QUOTE(emperor^10 @ Jul 16 2008, 12:15 PM)
I dont think is important la... is how u present urself during the interview...
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their problem is with that CGPA they cant even step in the interview room...
not fail the interview because the CGPA.
CGPA actually is important for fresh grad,
many company wil use it as a filter since nowaday many degree holder out there..

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QUOTE(kslee79 @ Jul 16 2008, 01:22 AM)
CGPA for a fresh grad is quite important in securing a good job after graduation. Well, you should have put in a whole lot more effort in your studies, but since you've past the point of no return, perhaps my advice to you is to brace the first few initial years of break-in jobs...


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I am an ME as well, from Purdue University. Work hard man, try out the oil and gas industry... Earns well...
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i dont think the oil and gas corp will even look at my resume with my results.
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I just get 2.4 for my CGPA, second lower division, for Japaneses already kamekaze, hey? I am low class human ? I might go interview for porn movie actor. funny...
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I just get 2.4 for my CGPA, second lower division, for Japaneses already kamekaze, hey? I am low class human ? I might go interview for porn movie actor. funny...
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If you're a female, your chances are determined by your beauty factor , age and "freshness". laugh.gif





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post Jul 18 2008, 03:29 PM


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i tink for fresh grads good CGPA is an added advantage and quite important.
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post Jul 18 2008, 04:19 PM


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If you are 1st class honour, dont be arrogant of your results & be humble when seeking your first job. If you are lower class result, dont be disappointed & be confident. In short, remember dont bring all the academic year that you had learned into your 1st job career.
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post Jul 18 2008, 04:27 PM


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the CPGA of second class upper is around what number?
cause my college just mentioned that im second upper and i dont know my CPGA sad.gif
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post Jul 18 2008, 07:36 PM


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base on my experience.. for architecture.. no need excellent CGPA, final thesis /project help better.
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from my observation candidates with higher CGPA in IT or Engeneering field have no prob to secure job..on average above 3.00 will do...it's only a ticket for u to get in to the job market ....after few years of working experience..CGPA won't count anymore..dont be surprise if u attend any future interview the employer may not even look at u university certificate..what they care is experience smile.gif
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if cgpa doesnt matter, why would they make this grading system at the first place? doh!
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post Jul 19 2008, 04:37 PM


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My advice:

a) if you only starting to study, try to keep your pointers (CGPA) high. It will help you after you graduate.

b) If you already in the final year and have below 3.00 pointers, do not worry. It's not the end for you. You need to work hard to gain "Other Advantage". My suggestions are to go for short-term internship (no pay) with MNCs and GLCs and boost up your CV. Been there, done that. PM me for details.
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i think not tat important compare last time...
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QUOTE(clngu @ Jul 11 2008, 11:20 PM)
CGPA results and interview skills are equally important for fresh graduate to secure the job. i saw many candidates with 2nd below, in the end doing sales job. mainly because a lot of job positions required 2nd upper and above. employers don't even bother to look at those resumes that are not met the requirements.
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Agree with you. It was really hard for me to get my first job because my result is very average. Most employer won't even bother to look into your resumes if your result is barely passable. I end up working as intern (read kuli batak) with wage so low than even indonesian maids and bangla janitors will laugh at just for the sake of gaining experience.

After that first job, the result doesn't really that matter anymore. Work experience comes first when going for the interview. If your result is not really good like me, don't fret that much. Eventhough at first you got less than desireable job, just suck it up and work hard and smart for couple of years and I believe when you are ready to look for another job, it'll be easier for you to land your dream job.
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if not that important, what for CGPA? all students just simply study and all get passes with CGPA 2.0 enough lo.. save time and energy. -.- By choosing a right candidate from resume, employer will look at ur experience, and 2ndly only come to CGPA. So it is quite important for fresh graduate, becoz ur experience is 0.
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CGPA or classes is usually important for fresh graduates. If you have been working for more than 2 years, it is seldom matter.
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QUOTE(RoyMcAvoy @ Jul 20 2008, 09:52 AM)
Agree with you. It was really hard for me to get my first job because my result is very average. Most employer won't even bother to look into your resumes if your result is barely passable. I end up working as intern (read kuli batak) with wage so low than even indonesian maids and bangla janitors will laugh at just for the sake of gaining experience.

After that first job, the result doesn't really that matter anymore. Work experience comes first when going for the interview. If your result is not really good like me, don't fret that much. Eventhough at first you got less than desireable job, just suck it up and work hard and smart for couple of years and I believe when you are ready to look for another job, it'll be easier for you to land your dream job.
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Experience is a great negotiation but the experience has something to catch for.

Some employers demanded for experience in the same or relatively similar industry especially for those who are trying to change its current job.
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Experience is a great negotiation but the experience has something to catch for.

Some employers demanded for experience in the same or relatively similar industry especially for those who are trying to change its current job.
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Agree. That's why i always encourage my junior/friends to go for internship during their mid-term breaks in industry that they aim to work at.
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QUOTE(azuan_az @ Jul 20 2008, 10:17 AM)
Agree. That's why i always encourage my junior/friends to go for internship during their mid-term breaks in industry that they aim to work at.
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It's not easy to get internship in industry that they aim to work at.

Sometime, internship is pretty useless; become office boy and etc. You understand what I'm trying to point out. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 20 2008, 10:19 AM)
It's not easy to get internship in industry that they aim to work at.

Sometime, internship is pretty useless; become office boy and etc. You understand what I'm trying to point out. biggrin.gif
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My point is internship will help to back up low CGPA. At least got something to talk about la...haha...betetr than nothing.

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CGPA reflects a student. Its important. You want to hire a dude with 3.8 CGPA or with 2.3 CGPA? Your call.
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Ohh yes. You got a point smile.gif

My point is internship will help to back up low CGPA. At least got something to talk about la...haha...betetr than nothing.

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But you need to have chance to talk what? So, CGPA might secure you a higher chance for the interview, then only you have the chance to talk and present urself .
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But you need to have chance to talk what? So, CGPA might secure you a higher chance for the interview, then only you have the chance to talk and present urself .
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CGPA is an entry for interviews. During interview, it's all up to your presentation skills. Smaller companies are not so particular about CGPA, the requirement may be lower. MNC's are very strict with this.
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CGPA reflects a student. Its important. You want to hire a dude with 3.8 CGPA or with 2.3 CGPA? Your call.
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CGPA is only part of the evaluation criteria.

If a 2.3 CGPA student with strong FYP (practical and techncial) could do the job better than the 3.8 CGPA student, I might hire since he could do the job.

As some shared that, internship and FYP are the other criteria to consider apart from purely CGPA.
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CGPA is only part of the evaluation criteria.

If a 2.3 CGPA student with strong FYP (practical and techncial) could do the job better than the 3.8 CGPA student, I might hire since he could do the job.

As some shared that, internship and FYP are the other criteria to consider apart from purely CGPA.
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It is not possible for fresh graduates to demonstrate strong technical capabilities as they have no track record of achievements to back them up on this. Projects? If they had aced their projects while they were in universities, they would have good academic results instead of low scores.

Bottom line is if the fresh graduate's academic results are pitiful, as so many has posted here, he or she would not even get through the door for an interview for the highly sought after jobs at many reputable firms.

One would not find academically weak people at places like say, a BCG or an Accenture consultant.
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SPS, I strongly disagreed with your first statement.

Of course, I have backed up my statement. Not many could exhibit such talent - low CGPA but strong hardware skills.
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QUOTE(SPS @ Jul 20 2008, 11:28 AM)
It is not possible for fresh graduates to demonstrate strong technical capabilities as they have no track record of achievements to back them up on this.  Projects?  If they had aced their projects while they were in universities, they would have good academic results instead of low scores.

Bottom line is if the fresh graduate's academic results are pitiful, as so many has posted here, he or she would not even get through the door for an interview for the highly sought after jobs at many reputable firms. 

One would not find academically weak people at places like say, a BCG or an Accenture consultant.
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Oracle n Accenture require at least CGPA > 3.5 in order to have a chance to call for interview.


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yes, definitely wil help a lot in helping to get a job. tat is the first thing we look to screen out candidates for interview.
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I have no idea for that CGPA system, well all the score come from marking scheme, who ever have a look on actual marking scheme before? Fine, we study, we memorized and re-write all the same things in the mind on the paper, as long as the keyword was there, u score the mark. OK, at industry training, for Information System Engineering field, students was recruited, form a team with 11 members, even the job position was assigned based on the undergraduate CGPA, u got first class honor with the highest CGPA among the team members, u become Project Manager, divided by 2 teams, 1 team 5 members and another team 6 members, each team 1 Project Manager, following second highest CGPA member become designer for each team, the others lower CGPA members assigned as programmers, ok, never mind, it make sense of Project Manager and Designer need smart people, but do not make sense programmer do not need smart people too right? Thats why the whole project fxxk up, well, Project Manager could said, "it all programmers fault." WTF? because they are low CGPA, sure poor performance, so it was caused by them.


So, what do u have see from this?

Highest CGPA means, if got mistake of whatever failure happen, the finger always point to the lower CGPA holders.

Is ur fault becos u low CGPA, u r "low class", high class is logically won't make those mistake. LOL


So far, I only saw a lot of malaysia job vacancies talk about CGPA, from jobstreet, sg job is almost talk about experience, the minimum with 1 year experience. Fine, fresh graduate job for sg citizen not mention about grade too, I wonder do I make mistake on this? I do research from jobsjen, jobsdb, monster, & jobstreet.

Well, Final Year Project & Industrial Training is consider as experience as well, but not related to how long the time involve in the field, but it do have it purpose, but if ur industrial training is doing a task as office boy who do photocopy and file arrangement, bug tester, file delivery, then it is no experience value at all. Final year project, this is the solid document to impress the employer with ur ability, no doubt, but they are still a lot local employer with CGPA mindset, LOL, fine, good luck for them.

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QUOTE(cinbao @ Jul 20 2008, 04:02 PM)
I have no idea for that CGPA system, well all the score come from marking scheme, who ever have a look on actual marking scheme before? Fine, we study, we memorized and re-write all the same things in the mind on the paper, as long as the keyword was there, u score the mark. OK, at industry training, for Information System Engineering field, students was recruited, form a team with 11 members, even the job position was assigned based on the undergraduate CGPA, u got first class honor with the highest CGPA among the team members, u become Project Manager, divided by 2 teams, 1 team 5 members and another team 6 members, each team 1 Project Manager, following second highest CGPA member become designer for each team, the others lower CGPA members assigned as programmers, ok, never mind, it make sense of Project Manager and Designer need smart people, but do not make sense programmer do not need smart people too right? Thats why the whole project fxxk up, well, Project Manager could said, "it all programmers fault." WTF? because they are low CGPA, sure poor performance, so it was caused by them.
So, what do u have see from this?

Highest CGPA means, if got mistake of whatever failure happen, the finger always point to the lower CGPA holders.

Is ur fault becos u low CGPA, u r "low class", high class is logically won't make those mistake. LOL
So far, I only saw a lot of malaysia job vacancies talk about CGPA, from jobstreet, sg job is almost talk about experience, the minimum with 1 year experience. Fine, fresh graduate job for sg citizen not mention about grade too, I wonder do I make mistake on this? I do research from jobsjen, jobsdb, monster, & jobstreet.

Well, Final Year Project & Industrial Training is consider as experience as well, but not related to how long the time involve in the field, but it do have it purpose, but if ur industrial training is doing a task as office boy who do photocopy and file arrangement, bug tester, file delivery, then it is no experience value at all. Final year project, this is the solid document to impress the employer with ur ability, no doubt, but they are still a lot local employer with CGPA mindset, LOL, fine, good luck for them.
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wow... calm down 1st... blink.gif
y dun u oso "memorized and re-write all the same things in the mind on the paper"..? Put less effort on memorizing it? shocking.gif
memorizing is juz a part from the "Scoring system", in IT field, technical skills and good understading in programming cannot b "memorized"..
there is no standard to judge one's ability who's fresh from a Uni or college and its juz CGPA and internship experience that he gain..

Final Year Project is not reli as important as ur thinking, and its mostly not taken much in consideration because there are a lot of ppl outside juz copy 95% of the work from friends who's from diffrent uni or college or even can pay someone to done it.. who will know izzit ur work right?

if u were the boss next time, how u gone choose btw a dude wif 2.0 CGPA and 3.8 CGPA wif same experience and skills?
which u will take a look at their resume and ask for interivew 1st? its very obvious right? sweat.gif




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I am close to final year with current CGPA of around 2.80, I don't think I have ample time to increase it until 3.33, the most and possible I can is to increase it till no greater than 3.10, which translates to 2nd class lower in my college's standard. AFAIK many MNCs minimum requirement is only 3.00 or above. I am quite worry with the worsening ecomomic situation and increasing competitiveness due to more and more people getting uni education, will I able to get desired job at this not so luster result? Kindly share your view and experiences.  smile.gif

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Well, I am not an expert in programmer field. Just during my industrial training, the programmer position is no one willing to take, then no choice and have to be programmer who is dumb with programming skill (I admit that I am programming idiot, still want me to do it, WTF!!!).

I don't know whether the career path of programmer field is really like majority said,"All beginners start from programmer ->System Designer -> System Analyst -> Project Manager".

As I know, Project Manager and System Design can be with minimal of programming knowledge, most possible the path is :

programmer -> System Analyst -> ?

? -> Project Manager

? -> System Designer


Overall subjects a graduate taken is about theory-based, practical-based, if the CGPA system could divide for 2 approach which for theory-based subject and another CGPA for practical-based subject, I think it should be more appropriate, was it? hmm.gif
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some CGPA is based on certain sub of ur certain year....
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tongue.gif Low CGPA isnt end of the world. Why worry much? I admit that I'm one of low CGPA dude. I worked as engineer before and my salary really low. One of the lowest among my ex-coursemate. It's a sad case man, but I only have myself to blame. When I complaint to my Managing Director that im not satisfied with my salary, he replied "i cant help much. you have poor result." that words of wisdom from him really opened my eyes and i quit the company the next month eventhough the MD request me to stay by increasing my salary up to 30%. i went for the struggles to set up my own company and i believed soon perhaps in another 3-5 years, i will be the one that hired high CGPA dude working for me. tongue.gif


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SPS, I strongly disagreed with your first statement.

Of course, I have backed up my statement. Not many could exhibit such talent - low CGPA but strong hardware skills.
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How does a fresh graduate demonstrate superior practical and technical skills? Enlighten us please.
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It depends on the company policy whether results or experience does matter to them. Anyhow im also a low CGPA, somehow an uncivilised interviewer insults me on low results saying my pay is high(my 1st job), if that he prefer to hire a high CGPA candidates. Then i ask him pls go ahead MR. interviewer to hire what you intend. btw, later the company call me for an offer but somehow i got what i request in other company.

My advise is dont bring ur academic history to working world. Whatever results u gain, just let it be history. Dont think bad results you cant get good job. Dont think u got good results & deserve high pay. Your first job is just same as like when you joined kindergarden as your first academic.
To share, i had my ex deputy GM advise, from 2-3 years of your first job is not your bargaining power to the employer. At this stage learn as much & the knowledge gain will deserve you a better pay. MY deputy GM starting earn at RM1.7k only & presently his pay is 20k/month...he's abt 40 & also IR engineer.....

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MNCs have a set of recruitment guidelines ie. academic results, behavioral assessment, written/presentation/practical test, etc. to select a new employee. therefore candidate with low CGPA still can secure the job if the person performs well in the interview.
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MNCs have a set of recruitment guidelines ie. academic results, behavioral assessment, written/presentation/practical test, etc. to select a new employee. therefore candidate with low CGPA still can secure the job if the person performs well in the interview.
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Hi All !

it's almost a year since i got this job:)
just after garduating, i was like some of us, looking for a perfect start in life.

CGPA is important, but not very important.
Soft Skill is very much important indeed.

CGPA is a measure of one qualification in study.
Experience is valuable for career achievement.

For TS, I assume that u're in Final Year & doing some Final Year Project?
If I were U, I'll try my best in accomplishing the FYP with my full heart.
most of the time, questions reagrding ur FYP will be asked during job interview.
so, answer them well smile.gif

if u got the chance to be a tutor, research assistant in ur uni, take it, as it'll look good in ur resume later.

if u have friends, do good to them, may be they have better network when it comes to finding a job wink.gif

if u don't get the job u want at the 1st shot, try harder. God will never leave u behind. the harder u try, better chance u have.

well, if u haven't done ur Industrial Training yet, do IT as if u're going to work for them. show ur enthusiasm towards the job.

I wish U all the Best my friends! smile.gif
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cut long story short - yes, but only to the extent of:

1. good CGPA is a good marketing tool for urself i.e. if you market yourself well with a good CGPA, your chances of getting called up for an interview will be much better than those with an average result. WHY? because the only way interviewers can filter out applicants for interview is thru ur CGPA since you have nothing else to market yourself.

2. but everything changes during the interview, because companies do not look SOLELY on results during interview. It's how you present yourself in an interview that matters most.
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I would say yes for most mnc.

However my friend just got a job offered from Intel, Failure Analysis Engineer.
His CGPA is 2.99, just graduated from Uni.
It really surprised me because i always thought that those mnc will only shortlist CGPA 3.00 or 3.50 and above candidate.
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I would say yes for most mnc.

However my friend just got a job offered from Intel, Failure Analysis Engineer.
His CGPA is 2.99, just graduated from Uni.
It really surprised me because i always thought that those mnc will only shortlist CGPA 3.00 or 3.50 and above candidate.
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Your friend is really good. Last time I had interview with Intel. I am not first class though. The interviewer very "lan si". In the end of the interview, said "As you know that, Intel only hire the BEST".
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ya Intel is very LanC, coz the had the value to hired those "BEST" people. But there are other good company also giving a lot of good exp although js lower 100-200 salary.

My CGPA is not very good(<3) but i get 10+ interview and i get 7 job offer.

From Manufacturing , Test, Product , Mechanical Design, till CAD design (forget some of it), lastly i choose my 1st job as Mechanical Design Engineer. I start work 2month + liao happy with what i work now~

So CGPA is really not really important, important is how you let other give you change to interview you. And most important is how you sell youself!!

CGPA so what?
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jul 21 2008, 04:52 PM)
ya Intel is very LanC, coz the had the value to hired those "BEST" people. But there are other good company also giving a lot of good exp although js lower 100-200 salary.

My CGPA is not very good(<3) but i get 10+ interview and i get 7 job offer.

From Manufacturing , Test, Product , Mechanical Design, till CAD design (forget some of it), lastly i choose my 1st job as Mechanical Design Engineer. I start work 2month + liao happy with what i work now~

So CGPA is really not really important, important is how you let other give you change to interview you. And most important is how you sell youself!!

CGPA so what?
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I am really don't know how to sell myself, the mindset I am educated about mostly employer prefer their employee can :

- Help them earn money and pay employee part of the money earn, part of the money means what? 5% ?
- Support the workload which is heavy for individual afford.
- work Over Time with low pay, which take all the advantages and let them suffer.
- don't know what is the labor right, working machine which cheaper than the real machine.


Sorry to say that above, maybe I am wrong, just feel very difficult and hard to survive.
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As others have said .. CGPA is still IMPORTANT when you're studying .. but it is less and less important when you're in the job force. So, study hard .. work smart .. get a good grade .. and off you go! If you can't make it .. yes, there are many things you could do to sell yourself .. but I can't tell it more .. CGPA is still IMPORTANT in your study! Keep it to the higher end and YOU WON'T REGRET in later days.
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QUOTE(city_monster @ Jul 21 2008, 04:40 PM)
Your friend is really good. Last time I had interview with Intel. I am not first class though. The interviewer very "lan si". In the end of the interview, said "As you know that, Intel only hire the BEST".
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jul 21 2008, 04:52 PM)
ya Intel is very LanC, coz the had the value to hired those "BEST" people. But there are other good company also giving a lot of good exp although js lower 100-200 salary.

My CGPA is not very good(<3) but i get 10+ interview and i get 7 job offer.

From Manufacturing , Test, Product , Mechanical Design, till CAD design (forget some of it), lastly i choose my 1st job as Mechanical Design Engineer. I start work 2month + liao happy with what i work now~

So CGPA is really not really important, important is how you let other give you change to interview you. And most important is how you sell youself!!

CGPA so what?
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Nice, I only can get 2 interview in 5-6 jobs i applied. sad.gif
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I'm pretty sure my CGPA helped differentiate me from thousands of other applicants when I applied for my first job as a civil servant at an elite government agency. I was told later by the HR manager responsible for recruitment that there were only about 100 vacancies, and yet they had to sift through over 15,000 applications. So tell me, are you going to read 15,000 resumes or drastically reduce that number by having a cut-off point of, say, CGPA of 3.00 and above? A low CGPA might not be such a big deal if the number of applications weren't so staggering. Some MNCs won't even consider local graduates even if they had high CGPAs, since they have such a sizable pool of overseas graduates to pick and choose from.
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jul 21 2008, 04:52 PM)
ya Intel is very LanC, coz the had the value to hired those "BEST" people. But there are other good company also giving a lot of good exp although js lower 100-200 salary.

My CGPA is not very good(<3) but i get 10+ interview and i get 7 job offer.

From Manufacturing , Test, Product , Mechanical Design, till CAD design (forget some of it), lastly i choose my 1st job as Mechanical Design Engineer. I start work 2month + liao happy with what i work now~

So CGPA is really not really important, important is how you let other give you change to interview you. And most important is how you sell youself!!

CGPA so what?
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Mayb ur happy wif wat u have now, but dun let those undergraduate agree the word "CGPA so what?" with u..
With a better CGPA, after ur graduated definitly ur secure.. u not even have to apply any jobs..
even if u wish to apply any desire MNC, ur chance higher..
i get more than 30 calls for interview in a week after i post my resume up and allow for view..

so.. "CGPA is important"..

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QUOTE(hon @ Jul 22 2008, 08:54 PM)
Mayb ur happy wif wat u have now, but dun let those undergraduate agree the word "CGPA so what?" with u..
With a better CGPA, after ur graduated definitly ur secure.. u not even have to apply any jobs..
even if u wish to apply any desire MNC, ur chance higher..
i get more than 30 calls for interview in a week after i post my resume up and allow for view..

so.. "CGPA is important"..
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Opss, sorry. I do agree CGPA is important, but i think TS having bit lower CGPA. So in case like this TS should improve other skill as other mention here >>> good FYP+ intership + good presentation skill

Ya, MNC do require good CPGA, for me is least chance but many other company do provice good salary + learning enviroment too compare to those require high CGPA

As i know

Shell >3
Intel >3/3.2
Motorola > 3/3.2

Anywhere they did had other don had this standard, like AMD, Seagate, Sony, Fuji and many more. So you need good resume as well~

Last but not least, Yes I do agree CGPA is important.

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I do agree that CGPA does play an important part for fresh grads who is going for their first job. I myself have applied a few jobs posted on jobstreet but they never contacted me. FYI my CGPA is less than 3.00 too cry.gif

I guess i got lucky. Things changed when i tried my luck at walk-in interview. I went to Motorola walk-in interview that was held at Mandarin Oriental a couple of weeks back. That day was also my 1st time attending an interview, so I did not really prepared that well. I did not know what questions they are going to ask. They asked mainly about my FYP and internship stuffs. Surprisingly they contacted me on that same day and I was actually accepted to work with them.

Maybe my FYP(VB6) and Internship(Assembly language) have something to do with their department that fits their requirement.

So in my opinion, FYP + Internship + interview does play an important part as well. Those with lower CGPA might stand a lower chance but still can try for a walk-in interview.

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QUOTE(ayamstim @ Jul 22 2008, 05:43 PM)
I'm pretty sure my CGPA helped differentiate me from thousands of other applicants when I applied for my first job as a civil servant at an elite government agency. I was told later by the HR manager responsible for recruitment that there were only about 100 vacancies, and yet they had to sift through over 15,000 applications. So tell me, are you going to read 15,000 resumes or drastically reduce that number by having a cut-off point of, say, CGPA of 3.00 and above? A low CGPA might not be such a big deal if the number of applications weren't so staggering. Some MNCs won't even consider local graduates even if they had high CGPAs, since they have such a sizable pool of overseas graduates to pick and choose from.
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There are NO such thing as MNC wont consider local graduates. Those MNC are practice equal opportunity for the candidates and NOT like government job offer. U will understand what i mean here.....

Try to look around in HP, SHELL, ORACLE, MICROSOFT, ACCENTURE, ERNST & YOUNG ...... how many fresh graduate being hired are from local U including private Uni and public Uni

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QUOTE(hon @ Jul 22 2008, 08:54 PM)
Mayb ur happy wif wat u have now, but dun let those undergraduate agree the word "CGPA so what?" with u..
With a better CGPA, after ur graduated definitly ur secure.. u not even have to apply any jobs..
even if u wish to apply any desire MNC, ur chance higher..
i get more than 30 calls for interview in a week after i post my resume up and allow for view..

so.. "CGPA is important"..
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how good is your CGPA if you dont mind telling us. 30 calls for interviews in a week is amazing!
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QUOTE(howeijie @ Jul 24 2008, 12:07 AM)
There are NO such thing as MNC wont consider local graduates. Those MNC are practice equal opportunity for the candidates and NOT like government job offer. U will understand what i mean here.....

Try to look around in HP, SHELL, ORACLE, MICROSOFT, ACCENTURE, ERNST & YOUNG ...... how many fresh graduate being hired are from local U including private Uni and public Uni
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I agree with you. I'm a local graduate and have secured jobs in few MNCs in FMCG and IT world.

Having saying that, some companies do prefer overseas graduate. I know one very famous MNC in Subang (Consumer Product) who specifically advertise "Overseas Graduates" only. Bad bad bad!
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QUOTE(howeijie @ Jul 24 2008, 12:07 AM)
There are NO such thing as MNC wont consider local graduates. Those MNC are practice equal opportunity for the candidates and NOT like government job offer. U will understand what i mean here.....

Try to look around in HP, SHELL, ORACLE, MICROSOFT, ACCENTURE, ERNST & YOUNG ...... how many fresh graduate being hired are from local U including private Uni and public Uni
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I did not say MNCs won't consider local graduates, I said SOME MNCs won't consider local graduates SINCE they have such a large number of overseas graduates to hire, which they will prefer over local graduates. Being accepted into the recruitment process and actually being recruited are two different things.

I have friends in those companies you mentioned (and am working in one of them) and they complain about the different treatment local graduates get compared to overseas graduates. Try to look around a little harder and perhaps you'll understand what I mean.

QUOTE(azuan_az @ Jul 24 2008, 07:04 AM)
I agree with you. I'm a local graduate and have secured jobs in few MNCs in FMCG and IT world.

Having saying that, some companies do prefer overseas graduate. I know one very famous MNC in Subang (Consumer Product) who specifically advertise "Overseas Graduates" only. Bad bad bad!
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I myself am a local graduate from a public university and am currently working for an IT MNC in Cyberjaya.

This is what I was highlighting earlier. MNCs that prefer, or even only consider overseas graduates.
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QUOTE(kamal007 @ Jul 24 2008, 01:52 AM)
how good is your CGPA if you dont mind telling us. 30 calls for interviews in a week is amazing!
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Australian, Canadian and US Universities do not use CGPA.They use a more complex form of GPA grading instead.

Anything above 5.5-6.0 out of 7.0 is considered very good.
More than 6.0 out of 7.0 is outstanding.

Just to share with you:

Taken from Wiki

Grade point averages are not generally used in Australia below a tertiary level. They are calculated according to more complicated formula than some other nations:

Grade Point Average (GPA) = Sum of (grade points × course unit values) / total number of credit points attempted, in which grade points are as follows:

* High Distinction = 7
* Distinction = 6
* Credit = 5
* Pass = 4
* Fail level 1 = 1
* Fail level 2 = 0

At some universities, such as University of Technology, Sydney, a GPA calculation out of 4 is calculated, whereby 4.0 = a High Distinction; 3.0 is a Distinction, 2.0 is a Credit, and 1.0 is a pass.

In certain faculties, such as law, it is therefore possible to graduate with "honours" with a GPA of less than 2.5.You're more likely to be able to get the honours offer with less demand fields of study like Aeronautical Engineering etc.

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QUOTE(ark890 @ Jul 24 2008, 10:07 AM)
Australian, Canadian and US Universities do not use CGPA.They use a more complex form of GPA grading instead.
US universities DO use CGPA. Just want to comment, if not you will be misleading other people.

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from my opinion, CGPA is important, but not the most important though...
How to express yourself and how to answer the interviewer's questions during interview is the most important part by securing a good job.

CGPA is the first part they filtering all those applicants. like, consider who r above 3 call up for interview first. for those lower, call up for interview then.

However, even if u r first class or 3.5above, you dono how to answer questions by the interviewer, then, i think that is equal to ntg. They will suspect how u get ur first class then..
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QUOTE(lou chan @ Jul 11 2008, 11:41 AM)
I am close to final year with current CGPA of around 2.80, I don't think I have ample time to increase it until 3.33, the most and possible I can is to increase it till no greater than 3.10, which translates to 2nd class lower in my college's standard. AFAIK many MNCs minimum requirement is only 3.00 or above. I am quite worry with the worsening ecomomic situation and increasing competitiveness due to more and more people getting uni education, will I able to get desired job at this not so luster result? Kindly share your view and experiences.  smile.gif

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CGPA won't totally affect your 1st job opportunity. But in Malaysia, the tradition is CGPA is your job marketable tool. But CGPA not necessarily 1st class but at least 3 above... Even i'm not in good CGPA group but i get the job offer same as ppl with good CGPA.
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I think that for local U student, CGPA is very important from a fresh graduate. It is important to get a CGPA with 3.00 in order to get a better chance to have an interview.

I believe that to get 3.00 is not a very very hard job cause what u need is to score all B in all subject, u wil be able to get it.

To score it, just do some pass year questions, study hard b4 exam and score a B is not that difficult.
Make sure u have try your best to study in every single subject because that is the responsibility of a undergraduate.

And now, all the streets are fresh graduates, to be outstanding, possess a high CGPA is definitely an advantage.

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There are lots of threads and questions about whether CGPA, degree, honours, qualifications etc.. are important. And in every thread, you'll get the supporters and the detractors.

Fact of life is that it is important, very much so. But nothing is ever all-important, of course.

A strong education is one of those things that NEVER hurts you. Yes, it may not get you what you want, but on the other hand, it will never prevent you from getting it either. There's either upside or no effect (which I doubt), but there is no downside.

For me, what I look for in resumes is consistency. Yes, a person who speaks well, is enthusiastic and seems charismatic in an interview is automatically a favourable candidate, but I've also met lots of losers, bums and bullsh1t artists who have exactly the same qualities.

So, I'd look at a person's education history (from SRP to tertiary for freshies). Are the good grades consistent? Consistently good grades indicates that a person is either a natural scholar (ie. good academically even with relatively little effort) or a very determined and committed fellow. Getting good grades in the Malaysian school system, then also doing well in a foreign degree, plus good results in professional qualifications or distance learning degree - would indicate that this person is versatile. He excels in the local 'rote' system, the foreign 'thinking' system and the professional 'application' system. Doing well in one system, but not the others exposes limitations or preferences, which I would take note of.

You can also draw enlightening conclusions from that person's choice of courses, subjects, schools, modes of learning, timing of the studies, time taken to complete etc.

Anyway, these are just examples of my thought process. You may have your own. So, while a person's performance during an interview is important, I would always look for confirmation of his personality and his strengths / skills (which the candidate will obviously promote during the interview) from his resume. If his educational history & performance does not support his verbal story during the interview, I would put more weight on the facts ie. education.

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i experienced the honour discrimination before i get my actual results.

i went through an interview with a "E-Company". They told me that even though my forecast results for the last 2 subjects is already out n showed that I'm a 1st class student, yet they wants 100% affirmation thus only when the actual results are out, they will only accept me... sigh. they don't even accept 2nd class upper leh.

so i think honour does matter. and it's sort of important! yawn.gif
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Yes,If you are looking for MNC company.normally your first job,from your profile is blank,so the only thing they can see is your subject and academic result.

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cgpa is IMPORTANT. (Mine ngam ngam 3.0 onli, no offense to those <3.0) sleep.gif"

Try to get to 3.0 if not really hard to get interviews.

Thats my advice, I grad this month from um and all I can
say is this. No interview = no job. As said by another reply, try walk-in
if really no reply.
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Ya, last time , 2.4 = no job at all...

in the end i have to use my spm result..lol...
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yeah, the three pointer give u more advantage for an interview. as far u can manage to the interview session, they've accepted ur grade and wanna see ur 'other' skill.

try to sell urself as much as possible during the interview. me is just above 3.0 but the salary is more than i've expected for a fresh grad! so lucky..(currently work in one of biggest construction company)
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yaaaa of course pointer can give u more credit when apply for first job.. but after several years, they will not look at it, but will look what u have gain from previous work smile.gif
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imho like the rest of the opinions here, cgpa is not really important for the smaller companies, but will be important for hotly competed for jobs - mostly MNC jobs.

it's been 7 years, i've worked at 3 companies, don't think any of my bosses knew how much CGPAs i had. oh, and i didn't put them in my resume.
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here some tips.. if u cgpa is lower than 2.5, better not to put in the resume, just stated there second class lower (like me blush.gif ) ..if u oledi have xperience, cgpa is not important anymore... must work hard to get a good first job
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depend of what job u apply n the company u apply for the job........my cgpa is lower than 2.5 but i can manage to get 3 interview this week.....maybe coz the position i applied for doesnt require high cgpa....
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Sorry at here i don want to said any side wrong but this is what i know~

For Malay, even you CGPA is not high as other race but some MNC like intel because need to cover the head count due to govement said must had certain % for bumis so some other then easy pass the interview or even not interview js sent the resume~

Sorry if this wrong info~

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no worries man...CGPA is just on the paper...prepare perfectly for ur interview...that's important...my fren got 2.4,still can work as SONY engineer
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Results doesn't mean anything!
Working Attitude/ Interview attitude is priority.
Basically, interviewers like to ask lots of question and they expect you to answer more than what they ask.
Especially, this question,
Try to describe yourself, or Introduce yourself.
(you must pass this question by selling yourself to them.)
Your CGPA don't help here! Confidence my friend! courage! Morality! Give them power!
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I think experience or the impression of your industrial training is important as well, kinda like establish your dependancy as well.
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right, industrial training experience is super important for a fresh grad, bcoz as a freshie, there is no other experience to put..
so prospective employer will base their judgement on the industrial training place..
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important or not, just study and try your best to gain as much knowledge that you could. it's your own education anyhow doh.

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QUOTE(yssee85 @ Sep 6 2008, 03:04 PM)
Results doesn't mean anything!
Working Attitude/ Interview attitude is priority.
Basically, interviewers like to ask lots of question and they expect you to answer more than what they ask.
Especially, this question,
Try to describe yourself, or Introduce yourself.
(you must pass this question by selling yourself to them.)
Your CGPA don't help here! Confidence my friend! courage! Morality! Give them power!
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result does mean something

If you get a 2.1 and another person got a 3.6. who will the interviewere choose if they can talk and present themself?

Its a no brainer
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result does a lot.
You want to become lecturer... master result is 3.5 and above (non - bumi) in local uni.

You want to join MNC... degree result is 3.5 and above.

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QUOTE(kamal007 @ Sep 6 2008, 06:18 PM)
result does mean something
If you get a 2.1 and another person got a 3.6. who will the interviewere choose if they can talk and present themself?
Its a no brainer
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hehe yup... for a higher position, when look at 2.1 than 3.6, reject at first stage... that y u ur resume must suitable n matching with the job u applied
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big companies have so many resumes coming in, mostly they won't be looking at your details. A glance at your CGPA will do the job. Trust me.
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wish i could retake my degree..
papa... mama..
i promise i will study harder.. and get better cgpa
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It's never fair to judge on the capability of someone based on CGPA. Let's put it this way, is it fair to compare a cambridge graduate with the CGPA of 3.0 with a UM graduate with the same CGPA and same course?
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another way of looking at it, is it fair to compare a student who achieved 10A in spm2007 with a student who achieved 10A in spm1987?

bottom line results is just a first level judgement..
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my first job was helpdesk agent , same day got another 2 guy got this job.
my cgpa is 3.1 , the contract company said b4 my result was better than the other 2 guy,
but I did worst than 2 of them . in fact i gt transfered to other position.
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for me, sometimes yes sometimes nope.
reason: it might effect to getting interview session, but when attent the interview n perform better than those higher cgpa students, they might choose u...
sometimes getting a job also base on luck also biggrin.gif
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ts, allow me 2 post a ques here..
im proceeding 2 yr 2 pretty soon but my yr 1 results reli screwed me up n my uni is only offering me an ordinary degree no matter how well i do in my yr 2 n final yr..
I tink a ordinary degree means a 2nd lower/3rd class without (Hons)..
since cgpa it's kinda important, do u guys tink i shud retake my degree?

i failed my theory subjects but i did reli well in practical.. i juz couldn't cope wit mechanics..
btw, im doin mech engineering..
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its a choice to gamble for a better results. Yes CGPA is very important but doesn't mean getting a 2nd class or so cannot get you employed to a company.

IMO its a waste of time & money to restart all over again. Imagine you continue your studies and graduated, you would have an extra 1 year benefit of experiences as compared if you restart all over again.
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Apparently, most of the forumers said that CGPA is not important. I believe it is definitely untrue. TS mentioned first job oppoturnity, meaning that he's a fresh grad without any prior working experience.

So, imagine if u do not have any working experience and u do not have a strong CGPA, how are u suppose to even secure an interview in MNC or banks? Do you think with cgpa 2.5 and below, u can get into any trainee program or fast start program in MNC? chances are LOW!. Imagine how many people sent their resumes to MNC? If you are the Hr exec, how are u going to filter a 1000 resumes?

therefore, CGPA is IN FACT THE KEY of getting your first (GOOD) JOB oppoturnity in (BIG) company.

if TS wanna join small company, then i think CGPA is no big deal. Most small companies would be glad to have a degree holder to join them tongue.gif

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Will extra co-curricular activities count? Let's say you're super active in college/school. Then maybe after that you do a lot of freelance projects/work experience/internships. But your CGPA is below 3.00.

What if in this situation?
- CGPA 2.5, BUT...
- you're president for 5 societies/clubs while at school/college
- you're a very active member in many clubs, involved in many of their activities/events
- then later you get bored in school and started to work for pocket money, eg: work as freelance graphic designer/programmer/sales jobs etc, already earning at least RM 2k even before graduating.

Let's assume such candidate managed to secure an interview and presented alright during the interview: Will this candidate be hired? Will the employer still want to look at CGPA after all that interview process?
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as CGPA is the representation of your overall achievements during your studies, It is indeed a key factor for employers to look at.

They might look in what subjects are you good at bearing in mind they will assume that you are knowledgeable in the subjects that you've previously scored and may apply the knowledge during employment.

Lets say:

Fresh Graduate 1 = Gets A (4.00) for basic accountancy.
Fresh Graduate 2 = Gets C+ (2.33) for the same subject

based on the above comparison, would you be hiring graduate 2 as your company's accountant knowing that he is weak in core accountancy?

Logically, employers wouldn't want to employ fresh graduates who are weak in their studies.
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want to ask whether 3rd class degree can find jobs or work not ? allright, here is my situation...Let's say i failed during my final sem....Giving options of either repeating the whole subjects or just graduate, attend convo with 3rd class...THe problem here is i already work, kinda no mood go back to study and attend class all over again...The company that hired me now is the company that i did my internships....

So, want to ask is Degree with (honours) important ??? In term of job hopping, switching job next time and promotion ?
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QUOTE(ldhong @ Sep 29 2008, 04:09 PM)
want to ask whether 3rd class degree can find jobs or work not ? allright, here is my situation...Let's say i failed during my final sem....Giving options of either repeating the whole subjects or just graduate, attend convo with 3rd class...THe problem here is i already work, kinda no mood go back to study and attend class all over again...The company that hired me now is the company that i did my internships....

So, want to ask is Degree with (honours) important ??? In term of job hopping, switching job next time and promotion ?
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3rd class is still not a general degree yet, it it still a honour degree.
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cannt deny that CGPA is important to fresh grad. But among my fiends, my coursemate who got first class work in japanese company SxxxO, she didnt get high salary as other company offer to first class, her salary below 2k and another one with result second lower, below than 3.00 work as permanent staff in US based company DxxL, so i just can say it's really depend your luck, how you 'promote' yourself in the interview session. unsure.gif

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CGPA is important to a certain extent only

It is more difficult to make the cut with a poor CGPA on the first job, but it's not impossible. My own CGPA was not very good. I was borderline a case (and not bordering with the first or 'A' class!).

My tip: Have something "special" on your resume, so you would stand out from the rest. E.g.: I wrote a simple program in my own time to auto arrange my time tables when choosing subjects at the start of the semester so I won't need to wake up for an 8 AM class.

Believe it or not, this kind of things on your resume can generate interest in you. The interviewer can ask: What did you use to write the program? Why did you write the program when it could be quicker to do it by hand. Did you share it with anyone and did they find it useful?

This is an early indication of someone who has initiative and used the skills learned (either by ownself or uni) to resolve a problem.

Then during the interview is most important whereby you have to answer the interviewer question: "Why should I hire you compared to the x number other people who applied of which 70% had better grades that you?"

(interviewer have heard all the "willing to work hard" and "fast learner" kind of things over and over again, so it's nothing special)

I always think that to be successful at anything, you either need to be "The First", "The Best", or "The Most Different".


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for me, sometimes yes sometimes nope.
reason: it might effect to getting interview session, but when attent the interview n perform better than those higher cgpa students, they might choose u...
sometimes getting a job also base on luck also  biggrin.gif
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3.5 to 4 Flat is First Class (Honours). Now they kick it a notch up to 3.8 to 4 Flat for First Class (Honours).

Sometimes it does play a vital tool to gauge your salary bracket. I've seen the difference and it's not just RM50 gap, it can be a whooping RM3000 difference!

There yu have it. For me, 3.5 and above is acceptable. Luck plays in the game too.

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what i can say is that not everyone is suited to the examination style..
not everyone can get high cgpa even though they have putting in effort for the examinations...

like me...even though i've got high marks for the assignments, presentations and projects...
marks always being pulled down by the exam's results...ya..i got same cgpa as ts..

high cgpa doesnt mean all of them could understand what they are studying though..

kinda unfair for those not suited to the exam style..?'
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here's my experience...
initially my uni helped me to apply for the internship at a local bank but got rejected...
cos' they wanted interns with cgpa >3.0..

then i went to a foreign bank and apply myself...
currently i'm having my internship in the hq of the foreign bank at kl...
i did not tell them my cgpa result since it's just a few months intership while i'm still undergraduate...
i believe i have did well during the interview...

and honestly among my coursemates...
some of them with higher cgpa than me are now working in the local bank as office boy or nothing..(no offence, since they say really learn nothing too)
but i do learnt a lot stuff related to my studies from the foreign bank...as im under finance department..

and i gotto say that having internship experience is an added advantage for those with low cgpa..
if you perform well then probably you will be getting into the company..
so is better that you do your internship with the company you want to get in in the future first..
since they might not need to know your cgpa at that time... smile.gif



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QUOTE(normaldude @ Jul 27 2009, 10:24 PM)
CGPA is important to a certain extent only

It is more difficult to make the cut with a poor CGPA on the first job, but it's not impossible. My own CGPA was not very good. I was borderline a case (and not bordering with the first or 'A' class!).

My tip: Have something "special" on your resume, so you would stand out from the rest. E.g.: I wrote a simple program in my own time to auto arrange my time tables when choosing subjects at the start of the semester so I won't need to wake up for an 8 AM class.

Believe it or not, this kind of things on your resume can generate interest in you. The interviewer can ask: What did you use to write the program? Why did you write the program when it could be quicker to do it by hand. Did you share it with anyone and did they find it useful?

This is an early indication of someone who has initiative and used the skills learned (either by ownself or uni) to resolve a problem.

Then during the interview is most important whereby you have to answer the interviewer question: "Why should I hire you compared to the x number other people who applied of which 70% had better grades that you?"

(interviewer have heard all the "willing to work hard" and "fast learner" kind of things over and over again, so it's nothing special)

I always think that to be successful at anything, you either need to be "The First", "The Best", or "The Most Different".
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I like this and I have to agree with the 3 weapons. The first, the best and the most different, definitely will toss you up to the next level no doubt.

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I have an idea how to answer"Why Should I hire you? What so special of you compare to others 70% candidates have a better result than you?"

Suggestion 1: "It is better than you hire someone that able to answer this question
make u believe they are so special
but actually not,
or someone who like me
at here to tell u
I can do the special thing that u want,
to let u know I am worth and not only with talk but also with result you want."

Try to answer with longer and meaningful words that let them take time to think about it, rather a shorter word like "Because I can do as good as them" which too simple.

This is the syndrom like picasso effect,which the complex of the drawing is it, the higher value it will.But remind it, some interviewer might challenge u again after u answer this because they 'kiasu', prepare to take the following challenge if u use this to answer just in case, if u realise the interviewer a bit no steady just apologize if he/she felt that u answer with arrogant but actually u r answer with confident.
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CGPA is 1 of the main factor of consideration for 1st job seeker, but do take note, they aso take into consideration your spm results too....
gud luck!
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Walou, all these CGPA, rude interviewer and all the bad experiences that i've read from this forum kinda make me phobia.

Really testing ur self esteem.

Seeing tat my current CGPA is around 2.50 and no activities. I think im not gonna make it to be shortlisted.

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QUOTE(FlyinAce @ Aug 5 2009, 01:07 AM)
Walou, all these CGPA, rude interviewer and all the bad experiences that i've read from this forum kinda make me phobia.

Really testing ur self esteem.

Seeing tat my current CGPA is around 2.50 and no activities. I think im not gonna make it to be shortlisted.
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im even lower than that =.=

but i dont think all interviewers would even bother checking ur cgpa.
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Depends on where you want to work. If research institute definitely their concerned on CGPA. Like MOSTI u must score 1st class degree, an also MIMOS and SIRIM your degree must be good and plus Master is advantage
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QUOTE(ldhong @ Sep 29 2008, 04:09 PM)
want to ask whether 3rd class degree can find jobs or work not ? allright, here is my situation...Let's say i failed during my final sem....Giving options of either repeating the whole subjects or just graduate, attend convo with 3rd class...THe problem here is i already work, kinda no mood go back to study and attend class all over again...The company that hired me now is the company that i did my internships....

So, want to ask is Degree with (honours) important ??? In term of job hopping, switching job next time and promotion ?
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Since you already has job, why do you want to repeat?

If your company has no problem with your degree, please do not do it.
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face it.. CGPA does important.. and i hate it.. if you are to join big companies, they do care abt your cgpa.. they wud definitely prefer above 3.0..

as for me, im not a 3.0 pointer. i was very lazy during my studies..hihi.. after graduated, i had to struggle looking for a job. i'm eyeing for big companies, but since they're pessimist with this cgpa thingy, my chances are very low. sad.gif so I started working in sales at a small company for 6 months.then i jumped to another company and got to do some hands on and technical bcoz i felt, having technical exp may increase my chances in the market. salary-wise, the 2nd company offers me the same amount. sigh!

now i managed to get into one of the telco company and have been working here for 2 yrs..i am thinking of looking for another job.. bcoz here, i dont get to do hands-on..more to supervising and managing ppl.. hands-on is done by vendors..

my point here is, cgpa does important. if u are not a 3 pointer, u may need to struggle a bit to get an interview.and once u get an interview, u need to impress them..=)

dun be fussy even tho it is a small company. wat important is, experience..

good luck guys..!
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Dario81,

Go pursue your master degree, a turning point for you.MBA ,Master of science and etc...

i obtained 2nd class lower in degree cgpa lower then 2.8,but now i having my MBA with good cgpa,more than 3.75
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To dario81,

U r right. Btw what job field r u doing?


To ppguy2006,
what's your next step after obtain MBA? Not all of us can afford to pursue Masters..
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To dario81,

U r right. Btw what job field r u doing?
To ppguy2006,
what's your next step after obtain MBA? Not all of us can afford to pursue Masters..
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I'm in telecommunication field @ one of the ISP company in M'sia. I'm more on Transmission Network (SDH/DWDM)...

ppguy2006,

FYI, my Final Year Project was only a research on "Soliton as an Optical Fiber Link". After 2 semesters doing research for that topic, we only manage to simulate near Soliton using VPI simulator. After seeing that, my prof offered me to continue for my master. he wanted me to finish my FYP in lab. he wanted to see more... he told me that I could get my master in 6months time. After giving it a thought, I rejected the offer bcoz the project is impossible to do and very costly. and im glad i rejected the offer bcoz, until now, soliton are still under research by physicists etc. Last month, I met a professor from India, who did have some experiences in optical fiber. i asked him about soliton, and he said it is impossible. Soliton will never be commercialized .. at least not in the next 10 yrs.. biggrin.gif


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Dead4Life,

I'm in telecommunication field @ one of the ISP company in M'sia. I'm more on Transmission Network (SDH/DWDM)...

ppguy2006,

FYI, my Final Year Project was only a research on "Soliton as an Optical Fiber Link". After 2 semesters doing research for that topic, we only manage to simulate near Soliton using VPI simulator. After seeing that, my prof offered me to continue for my master. he wanted me to finish my FYP in lab. he wanted to see more... he told me that I could get my master in 6months time. After giving it a thought, I rejected the offer bcoz the project is impossible to do and very costly. and im glad i rejected the offer bcoz, until now, soliton are still under research by physicists etc. Last month, I met a professor from India, who did have some experiences in optical fiber. i asked him about soliton, and he said it is impossible. Soliton will never be commercialized .. at least not in the next 10 yrs..  biggrin.gif
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At least you will be the pioneer for that, Just like Google (I forgot the 2 guys who founded it, but they did get their Masters based on search engine algorithm)
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To dario81,

U r right. Btw what job field r u doing?
To ppguy2006,
what's your next step after obtain MBA? Not all of us can afford to pursue Masters..
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After MBA, i have a chance to join those Management Associate/Graduate associate program and i can do part time lecturing and last resort i can become lecturer with minimum pay RM4k - RM5k.
So as for me, is kinda secure and another career path for me if i quit my current job.

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i don't have a degree and i don't even have my SPM and i am still doing the job i like

And still struggle to adapt.

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i don't have a degree and i don't even have my SPM and i am still doing the job i like

And still struggle to adapt.
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good for you LadysMan...

job satisfaction is the most important.. ! smile.gif

cheers~ biggrin.gif
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for first job, definitely the cgpa is important
try to increase your cgpa above 3.0

for 2nd job onwards, your skill and experience is more important
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having a good cgpa can only help you so much, the rest will depend on how you perform during the interview.
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R n D requires 3.00 cpga for most of the company, but cpga just affect maybe abit for ur 1st job n when u have experiences no cares about ur cpga... Bear in mind that the way u talk and perform in ur interview are much more important than ur cpga.
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QUOTE(GreatDeal888 @ Aug 16 2009, 10:32 AM)
R n D requires 3.00 cpga for most of the company, but cpga just affect maybe abit for ur 1st job n when u have experiences no cares about ur cpga...
However the company will give very different experiences to a new hire with a good education, vs a new hire who does not. Then after say 5 years, the experience between the 2 people will be very different, due to the fact that the company gave more opportunities and more stretch assignments to the one with better education.

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Bear in mind that the way u talk and perform in ur interview are much more important than ur cpga.
Without a good degree, many companies will not even call you for an interview.

At the end of the day, a good degree is a no-brainer. It can only help you, and there is no downside.

Without it, you can only hope to be at most, 2nd best. You can never be the very best because there's always someone with at least the same experience, interview skills, EQ, etc etc... but also has a better qualification. The company always knows that they can find someone better to replace you.

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CGPA isn't everything...if u can 'sell' urself well...than ure done smile.gif
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Added on August 24, 2009, 10:51 pmTo those of you who said:

"CGPA is not important, sell yourself in the interview"

Mind you, its the CGPA that gets you the interview. Period.

So, to those of you whom have lower CGPA:

1. Dont be upset, start small and work your way up. Build up your base first then only think of MNC.

2. If you have low CGPA, I assume that you dont spend much time studying therefore you should have better soft skills; communications etc.

3. So try sales or something, instead of something technical.

4. If you dont study much (hence the low CGPA) and no soft skills, then gg la.

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ya Intel is very LanC, coz the had the value to hired those "BEST" people. But there are other good company also giving a lot of good exp although js lower 100-200 salary.

My CGPA is not very good(<3) but i get 10+ interview and i get 7 job offer.

From Manufacturing , Test, Product , Mechanical Design, till CAD design (forget some of it), lastly i choose my 1st job as Mechanical Design Engineer. I start work 2month + liao happy with what i work now~

So CGPA is really not really important, important is how you let other give you change to interview you. And most important is how you sell youself!!

CGPA so what?
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CGPA is not THAT important, but a good one makes it easier for you to find job.

You just have to meet the right people at the right time. Luck plays the part where CGPA cannot play.
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When it comes to "no experience working" and not active in co-curriculum activities , CGPA really helps a lot, because that's the least they will consider you for an interview session.

There's always a reason getting a First Class Honours, Second Class Upper etc etc. Not just a grade to show off to your friends and relatives doh.gif
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If you have low cgp, just improve what you're good on..

my cgp isn't that good (2.9+), but it used to be ok (3.8 in 1st yr, gradually decreased..lol)

so i took mcse and got myself involved in university debate team. icon_rolleyes.gif

it's easier to get job if you are fluent in english (if you are looking for a job in mnc) and some extra cert.
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CGPA is only part of the evaluation criteria.

If a 2.3 CGPA student with strong FYP (practical and techncial) could do the job better than the 3.8 CGPA student, I might hire since he could do the job.

As some shared that, internship and FYP are the other criteria to consider apart from purely CGPA.
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i'm not a frequent in this thread, just got here from google searches.. Internship? I heard that for applying for internships in a company, they see your results as well, is it true?

EDITED: still studying mechanical engineering degree going into 3rd year this March, any info about Internship that maybe helpful for me please?

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ya Intel is very LanC, coz the had the value to hired those "BEST" people. But there are other good company also giving a lot of good exp although js lower 100-200 salary.

My CGPA is not very good(<3) but i get 10+ interview and i get 7 job offer.

From Manufacturing , Test, Product , Mechanical Design, till CAD design (forget some of it), lastly i choose my 1st job as Mechanical Design Engineer. I start work 2month + liao happy with what i work now~

So CGPA is really not really important, important is how you let other give you change to interview you. And most important is how you sell youself!!

CGPA so what?
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can i know what course u are studying?local or overseas?
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If his educational history & performance does not support his verbal story during the interview, I would put more weight on the facts ie. education.
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I won't agree your last sentence above, in my opinion,
i would think ur so-called "If his educational history & performance does not support his verbal story during the interview" does not neccessary to weight on education, if do so, that's ur tiny own perspective ! Or it might be judge in many different perspective toward an interviewee.

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truth is cgpa is very much important for your first job. say u did badly, and ur doing an engineering degree. face it, chances of u scoring a job as a process, rnd, design, project engineer is very slim. So what do u do? Either u start with some small or med company and work ur way up. But be careful what u choose as ur first job. Lets say u have no other choice, u took up a customer service job at some manufacturing company. If in the near future ur wishing to join the big boys doing o&g, chemicals and what not, chances are ur probably gonna end up doing something similar to what u did as ur first job. Sad but very very true according to all of my friends who were less fortunate.
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