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 Bursa Closed for First Session, From Bursa Malaysia

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dreamer101
post Jul 4 2008, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 4 2008, 05:25 PM)
this is not a entry level Dell Server, the trading system are running on mainframe class hardware, i find it really hard to believe a single failed harddisk cause this problem, even if some of the disk and CPU is down it can still keep on running, also BNM have requirement all financial company have DR site that can take over within a few minute, this is not available here, the DR site is not working properly, does BURSA have the same requirement as bank and financial institution to perform regular DR trial and report the result to BNM, if so there maybe someone that lie in the report. If there is no requirement for Bursa to have have hot standby DR system i will be shock, such a important part of our country economy is at risk.

here is official timeline

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http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...38&sec=business

CIO said they are using HP NonStop server, this is fault tolerate server, all the part in the system is have redundancy there is no single point of failure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NonStop
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robertngo,

A NonStop aka Tandem computer has NO SINGLE point of failure. So, a single hard disk failure cannot bring the system down. In summary, there is something WRONG here.

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post Jul 6 2008, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Jul 6 2008, 12:18 AM)
well, that's the first thing that came to mind too, that the reasonings that they've provided for failure's more appropriate for the downtime of entry level servers.
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fyire,

In conclusion, some Malaysian IT people are NOT capable of using the the Nonstop server properly.

"First world infrastructure, third world process and mentality"

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This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jul 6 2008, 01:43 AM
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post Jul 6 2008, 04:43 AM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 6 2008, 03:49 AM)
the BCP plan fail to prepare for the situation of single trading system and recovery was not done immediatly, also they dont have live data replication setup between production and DR site and require more than three hour to sync their production data. This is a big problem for a trading system, if you lose more than three hour time you will be losing entire trading session. Banks have been require by BNM to have live data replication to DR for instance recovery during disaster, why does a vital financial institution like Bursa is not required to do the same??
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robertngo,

1) Why do we have whole radar station burn down because nobody check the fuse of the fire alarm??

2) Why do KLIA out of power for 4 hours even though we supposed to have redundant power feed from 2 power suppliers and 2 power networks??

Understand this and you would understand ALMOST everything WRONG about Malaysia. Why Malaysia is NOT going forward in spite of the tremendous amount of resources that we have.

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post Jul 6 2008, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 6 2008, 06:56 AM)
One of the better possibility answer for the root cause.  rclxms.gif

To be fair, I would change from some Malaysian IT people to Bursa IT people or its vendor that responsible for that as don't know whether they sub-con out or manage their own in term of the computer server issue.
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cherroy,

1) In this case, it is BURSA IT people. But, I had seen ENOUGH examples that to know this problem is MORE wide spread than the bursa.

2) Recently, some Alliance Bank branches are out for one or 2 days too.

As per Godfather movie, "Fish rot from the head first".

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The SHORT answer is to manage and run ANY kind of complex system, you NEED GOOD EXPERIENCED PEOPLE to support IT. So, essentially, you have 2 choices:

A) Train your internal people and pay them well enough so that they stay technical

Or

B) Outsource to someone else but you still NEED GOOD people to monitor them

Malaysian culture is WE spent a lot of MONEY on the hardware. But, we neither train, pay and keep REAL TECHNICAL people to support and maintain those hardware. There is NO career path in Malaysia for senior technical people with a lot of experience. Some took the short cut and hire ex-pats. But, they REFUSE to hire oversea Malaysians with similar or better experience. The REASON is they think it is EASIER to control the ex-pats. But, that is harmful for the future of the country. In the end, we are in this catch 22 situation that we NEVER get out

A) There are NO GOOD EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL people that deserve very high pay

B) Technical people do not stay technical because they make more money as manager.

In the end, nothing changes and Malaysia cannot go to the next level of IT capabilities.


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post Jul 7 2008, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 7 2008, 12:01 AM)
this server is not about speed, it is about ensuring the integrity of every transaction, a process is executed on two CPU on the same time, if one CPU is down, the process can still complete on the other CPU. This design make nonstop server very suitable to financial transaction where the integrity of the processing result is more important that the speed. That said, they really should have upgraded the server years ago, who is the one that approved the plan to keep running their critical trading system on a obsolete platform. rclxub.gif
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robertngo,

If I am NOT mistaken, each process is executed on 3 CPUs. The result is voted on the egress where the majority wins. If one CPU is different than the other 2, it is voted out and detected to be faulty.

<<it is about ensuring the integrity of every transaction>>

You CANNOT ensure the integrity of every transaction with ONLY 2 CPUs. You need at least 3 CPUs to do that. With ONLY 2 CPUs, if the results are different, you cannot tell which CPU has the correct result.

<<That said, they really should have upgraded the server years ago, who is the one that approved the plan to keep running their critical trading system on a obsolete platform.>>

What does that tell you about the Bursa IT system?? It is an OLD system. It should have VERY STABLE process and procedure to handle disaster recovery. People have more than 10 years to work out the problems. But, they cannot do it. So, what makes you think the NEW system with LESS TIME to work out the process and procedure will be BETTER??

It is the PEOPLE that make the system succeed or fail.

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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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