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post Aug 16 2008, 11:33 AM

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Hi all,

would like to see the advice of some experts out there regarding breeding cats...(biasalah org baru belajo...x expert lagie)hehehehehe.

i have a 1 1/2 year old male persian and recently a friend of mine requested to use my male as a stud for his persion female and what i would like to know is...how am i suppose to divide the new born kittens later...ie: lets say the cat gives birth to 4 kittens...how many would i get out of the 4 kittens??? both me and my friends are new to this and it would be good if we know what we are doingand expecting...

friends do please help me on this matter...all your advice are highly appreciated.


Ash.
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post Aug 17 2008, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 16 2008, 08:48 PM)
hehehe funny lah your question. we, for sure cannot involve in your case. this is between you and your friend. if 4 kitten, easy lah, 2 kitten each. if 3 kitten, then you have to decide yourself... normally female owner will get more than male owner. because the female owner will take care of the pregnant mother, while the male just need to transfer sperm then done.

whatever it is, this is depends on both party... if you don't want any, and just let your friend have it all smile.gif
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elo elfreakz,

thanks 4 the explanation...it seems more comlicated then it seems (penin!!! penin!!!)...well i do get it wen you say bout the pembahagian part...hope fully if this mating takes place she will give birt to a even number kittens(hehehehehehe) and if its the other way around i guess my friend will have more...

harap2 lah benda nie terjadi...x sabar2 nak tgk keadaan umah jadi porak peranda dgn kehadiran furballz baru...hehehehehehe.

once again...time kase elfreakz !!! jasa mu dikenag jua...
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post Aug 20 2008, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 18 2008, 04:19 PM)
i believe your friends house will be porak peranda, dan ada sedikit macam kapal pecah lah ehehehe... sebab the kittens for sure akan duduk dengan mak dorang kan. about 4 months above is the best age to take them... then your house will be macam kena ribut taufan tongue.gif

so berbahagi lah secara damai ye ahahahah... macam pembahagian pulau batu putih lak tongue.gif
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Hi elf,

yes yes...betul2 tu i cant wait to see the porak peranda action...my house as been very boring lately need some action going on here...x sabar plak, hahahahahaah.

by the way elf, last sunday my male cat dgn banga nyer telah merogol kucing dara(kononyerlah) of my friend...u had to see him in the action mmg x buang masa langsung...str8 to the climax...he was like a pro...i was thinking it will be like a day or 2 process...biasalah masing masing nak mengenali hati budi masing2(kira dating process lah) but no such thing...str8 to sex part(my cat is a pro...mmg x suka buang masa)hahahahahahaah.tapi kan i have left him there for a week as my friend requested to keep him since nak betui2 confirm he had impregnated the female cat and i have some questions too which im rather curious bout:

To elf and other forumers...plz turunkan lah ilmu2 anda semua...hehehe

1) since now the female cat is so called impregnated...( i know that it roughly takes bout 65 days for the litter to be born) but my soalan is, adakah any cara to confirm the cat is realy pregnant???
2) until wen we have to wait till we see the cats perut become buncit tahap kritikal ek...???
3)during this pregnancy process...do we need to feed the female cat extra food( i mean should the food portion be double than the daily dosage) and any vitamins to be given???
4)is it true most persian cats have masalah while giving birth??? a coleague of mine told me this citer that her cat had to be operated to gets the kittens out (2wice)...is that true???

to elf and the rest of the family plz kindly advice me on your pendapats...it will surely help me and my friend during this entire process...

by the way elf...apa kelas gan ribut taufan, im hoping i will have tsunami in my house wen the kittens arrive...hahahahahaahaha.


Regards,
Ash.
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post Aug 21 2008, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(tartputat @ Aug 20 2008, 09:47 PM)
my male cat also have big belly...he is so fat doh.gif  doh.gif
i need to really take note on the persian part..having difficulty to labouring baby..tq elfreakz for the great info rclxms.gif
i dun have experience on cat pregnancy and labouring..maybe next time after my persian  really matured then i m going to mating her with other male.. tongue.gif
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hi tartputat...

last night i saw this programe in NTV7( the rachel ray show) there was a topic wer by the discuss bout over weight sized cats and dogs and the tips to reduce their weight and the proper home cooked meal for them too eat...it was very interesting and fun to watch.

by the way...if youre looking 4 male cat....dont go far far, im here! hehehehehe(not me lah but my male cat) hahahahahahaha.


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Added on August 21, 2008, 3:48 pm
QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 20 2008, 08:21 PM)
1) since now the female cat is so called impregnated...( i know that it roughly takes bout 65 days for the litter to be born) but my soalan is, adakah any cara to confirm the cat is realy pregnant???
Pregnancy is between 60 days to 67 days, but the average is 63 days, which is 9 weeks (equate with human gestation 9 months).
To know your cat is pregnant or not, you can use ultrasound at the vet. This diagnostic tool may detect fetuses as early as the second week of pregnancy, and heartbeats may be detected sometime after the third week.
Your veterinarian may be able to feel fetuses by palpating (feel by gently pressing) your queen's abdomen, usually around the 17th-20th day of pregnancy.
Other signs are, increase of food intake (byk makan dari biasa), kadang kadang muntah (kadang2 tak ada), perut membesar. Female cat nipples become bigger, and change to pink color. After 4 weeks above, you can actually feel something like a hard stones which is actually kittens.

2) until wen we have to wait till we see the cats perut become buncit tahap kritikal ek...???
You can see it after 4 weeks above, but this depends on the size of the kittens, and number of kittens. if you have less kitten, and small size kitten - you hardly notice they are pregnant. if you have atleast 3 and above you can see the stomach is bigger than before. even if you have 1 /2 but the kitten size is big, you can still see it.

3)during this pregnancy process...do we need to feed the female cat extra food( i mean should the food portion be double than the daily dosage) and any vitamins to be given???
My vet advice me only to start feed the mother with kitten food when their pregnancy is at 8 weeks... so 1 weeks before labor, you change the food to kitten food. During the 8 weeks, you just give normal adult cat food. I won't feed my pregnant cat kitten food from day 1 of pregnancy, because this will make her kitten size bigger than normal size - and mother have 80% potential to have hard time during labor.

4)is it true most persian cats have masalah while giving birth??? a coleague of mine told me this citer that her cat had to be operated to gets the kittens out (2wice)...is that true???
Yes this is true. Not only persian, but most LONG HAIR pure breed or DLH will have hard time during labor.
Most cases i heard is, breathing problem during labor, which the cat having hard time to push their kittens which make them stuck inside and died.
Some vet believe that, all this DLH and long hair cat comes from MIX blood and genetic, most of them are not successfully having this good genetic, which means, most of them have like bad genetic on health matters.
The worst part, most long hair cat (DLH or pure breed) having problem caring for their kittens, which means they don't really like to become mother tongue.gif
that is the reason why i respect kucing kampung, they are ibu mithali LOL! tongue.gif
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The best tip is, write down the date they start mating, and the date the stop mating. So you can estimate the labor time. Monitor your female cat more after 4 weeks to see if there is possibility of discharge (keguguran) or anything else. Give them more rest, and less hard play time.
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hi elf,

i consider you my so called SIFU from now onwards...hehehehe.

paham paham...saya paham sekarang...will do the needfull to ensure the female cat is well taken care off.

tapi betui ker kucing pun boleh dapat keguguran??? dasyat nyer.....


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Ash.

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post Aug 21 2008, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 21 2008, 06:42 PM)
ahahah don't call me SIFU lah, im not graduated from Oxford cats university LOL.

yeap cats do have keguguran. if im not mistaken there's 2/3 types of keguguran, ada keguguran janin tak menjadi, ada keguguran betul, etc. can't remember.

but i experienced, keguguran janin tak menjadi, keguguran betul and keguguran anak mati dalam perut.

so don't try this at home tongue.gif

i help most of my female cats that having problem with labor, like potong tali pusat, and also emergency cases if the anak sangkut or songsang tongue.gif (ala ala bidan terjun LOL)

healthy mother = healthy kittens
Good parents genetics = good behavior kittens

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elf...gua caya sama lu lah...

if there was an award for the best cat owner kan(kalo adalah) saya rekemen kan awk...saya akan undia siang mlm...hehehehehe, siap tolong potong tali pusat dan anak sangkut and sonsang tu yg wat saya amat terpegun gan elf...sah bidan terbaik 2008/2009.... rclxms.gif

dgr citer elf it makes me mmg seram, masa baca siap bulu roma semua naik mencacak...sekarang pun still mencacak....harap2 kucing betina kawan saya tu x akan experience things like these lah sad.gif ...but...all the above nie selalu berlaku kah expecially for those ibu kali pertama or mmg dah lazim gan jenis DLH atau persian...??? unsure.gif


elf...u x perlulah jadi garduan oxford cats university...jadi graduan UKKL pun dah cukup dah...


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Ash. rclxm9.gif

Added on August 21, 2008, 8:56 pm
QUOTE(adioz88 @ Aug 21 2008, 06:53 PM)
macam mana nak tangani masalah bulu kucing suka gugur?
sapa tau
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hi adioz88,

saya nie bukanlah expert sgt xpi selaunyer kalo bulu gugur...ada kene mengena gan diet si furballz nie...kamu baru2 nie ada tukar makanan dia tok jenama lain ker??? just suspect jer...hehehehe.


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Ash.

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post Aug 21 2008, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(AbBy_C @ Aug 21 2008, 07:19 PM)
hi elfreakz,

im new here n just got a kitten last week.
hope u can help me wit the question.

i give her Royal Canin dry food for kitten n wiskes wet food.
n i dun really know what milk should i give him. now i gave him dutch lady full cream milk n he seem dont really like.
do u have any suggestion?
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AbBy,

dulu masa my furballz tu kecik lagie(ermm...rindu zaman tu, baik jer dia...sekarang dah jadi setan)i started to give him a paticular milk formulated for cats/dogs called "MILKADOG" it comes in 2 sizes small tin like the small milo tin and also a big tin cam size tin milo yg besar gedebak tu..., if my memory is still power the small one should be bout 20 +++ kot...but since now the harga all naik mendadak...it should be up also lah, but u can try at pet shops...

there was an aticle i read some time ago in yahoo regarding full cream milk on animals...we arent suppose to give them this as it has some sort of acidic thingy which could cause cirit birit...( rasanyer our in house expert che elf could give some tips on this kot) hehehehehe.

this milk fomula realy helps as it strongens the furballz imune system and also the growth...my furballz specis jer persian tapi nampak cam anjing shih tzu jer...tengok pun gerun !!! nasib baik tuanyer hensem tongue.gif

all da bes!


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Ash.
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post Aug 21 2008, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(ashbutt @ Aug 21 2008, 09:07 PM)
AbBy,

dulu masa my furballz tu kecik lagie(ermm...rindu zaman tu, baik jer dia...sekarang dah jadi setan)i started to give him a paticular milk formulated for cats/dogs called "MILKADOG" it comes in 2 sizes small tin like the small milo tin and also a big tin cam size tin milo yg besar gedebak tu..., if my memory is still power the small one should be bout 20 +++ kot...but since now the harga all naik mendadak...it should be up also lah, but u can try at pet shops...

there was an aticle i read some time ago in yahoo regarding full cream milk on animals...we arent suppose to give them this as it has some sort of acidic thingy which could cause cirit birit...( rasanyer our in house expert che elf could give some tips on this kot) hehehehehe.

this milk fomula realy helps as it strongens the furballz imune system and also the growth...my furballz specis jer persian tapi nampak cam anjing shih tzu jer...tengok pun gerun !!! nasib baik tuanyer hensem  tongue.gif

all da bes!
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Ash.
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AbBy...lagi satu choice is "animalac" i believe this one is slighty cheeper kot...

all da best.


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Ash.
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post Aug 23 2008, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(tartputat @ Aug 21 2008, 09:53 PM)
i think if go to the pet shop u can find much milk for kitten..i m very sure last time i went to pet safari and found out quite number of cat milk brand..i dun remember much..dun give them other milk as its not suitable for their digestion system..i think much people aware bout this.. tongue.gif
to ash...welcome to this forum..never seen u posting here before..that y i wish u welcome..hope it is not too late tongue.gif
wish good day to all cat lover.. rclxms.gif  flex.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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hi tartputat,

yes im new to this forum....as the saying goes "i was lost and now im found" hahahahaha, glad to join you ppl and im rather excited to learn more fun stuff's from all of you...


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Ash.

Added on August 23, 2008, 8:16 am
QUOTE(abang brother @ Aug 21 2008, 10:47 PM)
Can pump the milk? Like humans do? laugh.gif
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abang brother...i dont think depa ada pump bottle that nipple size...hehehehehehe tongue.gif

Added on August 23, 2008, 8:21 am
QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 21 2008, 10:47 PM)
amboi, bunyi macam Akademi Kucing jer tongue.gif.. AFUNDI ELFREAKZ hantar ke 32999 gitu? ahahahah  laugh.gif

yang i bagitau tu base on experience saja. i'm not veterinary graduate anyway tongue.gif like people say, reading the book alone will not make you successful. You need to do practical and learn from the vet.  thumbup.gif

yea most of it happen to first timer female cat who become mother. Selalu nya happen kalau female cat tu belum cukup usia untuk beranak. very less happen to mature female cat. belum cukup usia untuk become ibu tu is about 8 months old tu 14 months old. mature to become mother is above 14 months old. but some cats ada yang successful juga. bergantung lah pada kucing. and yes most unsuccessful labor and pregnancy is from DLH or long hair pure breed cats.

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yeah betoi...experience is very important...sbb tu saya sdg "sucking out" all the info from you ppl punya brains...hahahaha to ensure me and my friends are prepared to welcome our newest adition to the family tree...

the female cat is bout 1 year plus...should be more than 14 mths, should be okie for pregnancy but apa apa pun dah terlambat sekarang sbb nasi dah pun jadi bubur ayam Mc D.

afundi ELFREAKZ...hantar kepada 32999...hehehehe.


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Added on August 23, 2008, 8:31 am
QUOTE(adioz88 @ Aug 22 2008, 12:39 PM)
dok bagi dia makan friskies dengan nasik lauk ikan temenung aja
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hehehehehe...pasal friskies tu rasanya xder masalah kot...but nasik lauk ikan temenung...ermmmmmm
i was told by a vet long long long time ago...selaunyer we cat or dog owners(senang citer pet owners lah ek) suka amik kesempatan atau buan endah x endah wen it comes to the makanan we give out little friends... we should selalunyer sama sekali tidak patut berikan haiwan kita makanan yg berminyak...in this case if the so called ikan temenung tu digoreng!!! extra build up of oil in body is tooo bad sbb semua haiwan ada lapisan minyak semulajadi dlm badan depa semua...

adioz...nak tau gak kucing kamu tu jenis apa???


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Ash.

Added on August 23, 2008, 8:34 am
QUOTE(abang brother @ Aug 22 2008, 06:32 PM)
Omg! Cute kitten + Neat nice looking room =  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif
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kalo tengok betoi2...the room wall, bed spread and the hello kitty toys all match the kitten...cam package plak hahahahahahaahahah rclxm9.gif

cute kitty...


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Ash.

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post Aug 23 2008, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(abang brother @ Aug 23 2008, 11:05 AM)
Some girls are unpredictable and most of them is unexplainable.

Btw, good lorh 500gm-700gm a week. Compare to 2kg. T_T"
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i alwiz had this nortion that girls are similar to cats and boys are very much similar to dogs...ermmmmmmmmmmm hmm.gif
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post Aug 27 2008, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(mizeily @ Aug 25 2008, 12:06 PM)
guys...

em, yesterday mustard underwent the neutering op...went well...10 am masuk wad, 6pm can jump around happily..hehe..

just wondering lah kn, can i like put some cream like gamat or haruan on the operation scar? or just let it heal by it self? how bout for the female surgery? can i help mayones recover faster fafter the spaying by giving her haruan and put the gamat cream? (like manusia after giving birth lah tongue.gif )
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mayonaise leave scare...hahahaha, habis jatuh saham dia nanti sbb ada scare,hahahahah.


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Ash.

Added on August 27, 2008, 6:29 pm
QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 25 2008, 12:54 PM)
maybe not in a food mood smile.gif send mayones for anger management classes eheheheheh...

there's much be something you did that make mayones not happy.. try to figure out eheheh...

ambil lah hati dia balik, beli favorite food ke, beli toys ke smile.gif sure cair balik punya tongue.gif
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maybe se is angry with you coz you spayed her...there goes her feminin side . hahahahaha.

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Ash.

P/s: anger mangement class sounds good just like elf said.

Added on August 27, 2008, 6:31 pm
QUOTE(irienaoki @ Aug 26 2008, 05:53 PM)
hahaha
hi all
juz want to tell tat my mix persian giv birth 2 weeks ago....
3 white,1 black....
waa ,very cute......
but i still can not see them coz im still in college...
this merdeka i ll back to hometown........
yawn......
huhuhu
really miss my cats...........
neko ga uchi ni ipppai desu....
takusan.......
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congrats !!! you are officially a FATHER now...heheheheeh.


Regards,
Ash.

Added on August 27, 2008, 6:32 pm
QUOTE(Buzza @ Aug 27 2008, 04:54 PM)
HI all.. I just recover this topic because im new in here.. Hi all cats lovers all over the LYN.. I also have a cat.. I dont know what type but I think its persian one..

Love my male cats. Name garfield.. Very clever and smarts. Bout 9 month old. But not good in balancing its body. Always fell down from my bed.. Haha.. But really cute.
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Hi Buzza...welcome.


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post Aug 28 2008, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(nicoty_yne @ Aug 28 2008, 01:23 PM)
Guys.... the vet has confirmed my cat MOmoy is suffer from entiritis.. She's undergo some medication and taking charcoal to flush out some mucus from her intestine... Her stomach is bloated and big and pain to touch... Please pray for her k.
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Hi nicoty,


my prayers are for Momoy...dont worry she will get better soon...just dont give up on her yet, miracles happend u know...hehehehe.
Hang in there...


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Ash.
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post Aug 29 2008, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 28 2008, 10:08 PM)
That's Mia.. she's turning 2 years old this coming 31st August smile.gif

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Elf...ko bagi alamat penuh umah hg kat aku...
senang sket aku nak pie kidnap si MIA nie...bulat dan berbulu(very sexy)!!! hahahahahaha.


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post Aug 29 2008, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 29 2008, 07:25 PM)
alamak, kena letak 5 lock baru kat grill ni...  laugh.gif
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Elf...bak kata org2 cina "sap sap sui" 5 lock only kah??? aiyo very easy 4 me lah...

u bagi dulu alamat penuh, we shall see if the 5 lock can keep me far far away from itu bulat punya kucing...hehehehe.
Ya allah elf, hg bagi dia makan apa...sehat walafiat sungguh...


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post Aug 29 2008, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 29 2008, 09:01 PM)
This is from the back view...

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wooooo....back view lagi mengancam !!! drool.gif
alamat penuh plzzzzzzz brows.gif
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post Aug 29 2008, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 29 2008, 09:17 PM)
yeap normally grooming (the extreme one) will trim some part of the fur..

will only trim the below part, and private part... other than that will just go layers...

so still look the same...
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do u do the grooming by ur self atau anto pie kat profesional groomers???

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post Aug 29 2008, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 29 2008, 09:36 PM)
Mia is at the shop or vet...

I cannot do it myself. Normal hairdryer we use, will took forever to dry her up.

Yes we can do it at home, but took longer time, and you might not get a nicer groom.

if u want good looking long hair, you must make sure it is 100% dry. else it will make the fur flat, not soft, curly and tangle around the bottom part.

i'm lucky mia is a hygiene and clean cat, she lick and bath herself very good.

some of my long hair cat, especially the male tongue.gif they are so "malas" ehehehe reflect to human behavior ahahahahah...
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dimana tmpt yg elf bawak si Mia tu pie grooming??? sekilat pandang si Mia nie cam Diana Ross jer rambut dia...hahahahahahaha thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(abang brother @ Aug 29 2008, 10:19 PM)
Mya ke Mia? rclxub.gif

Mahalnyer grooming. Whats the advantage for grooming for that price?
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THE ADVANTAGE IS THAT SHE WILL LOOK LIKE DIANA ROSS...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
elf...anjing pom tu payah lah...cukuplah sekadar Diana Ross nie. Hahahahahahahahaha. tongue.gif

Added on August 29, 2008, 10:23 pm
QUOTE(elfreakz @ Aug 29 2008, 10:20 PM)
mana mana lah.. asal kan diana rose bak kata ashbutt ahahhaha  rolleyes.gif

i don't know what is the advantage, but they use royalty shampoo eheheheh.
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Royalty shampoo??? dari negara kayangan maner tu???? heheheheeh hmm.gif

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post Aug 29 2008, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(abang brother @ Aug 29 2008, 10:23 PM)
Lol takde? Not necessary la?

GOod lorh, can save money for medical purpose.
euwblacklullulzlwatDiana Ross? Who? lol.
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lah...penyanyi zaman era 70-80an+++ rambut besar gedebak cam bulu Mia nie ah...pas tu dia famous gan lagu pilem katun dinasour tu...lah lupa nama pilem katun tu plak... hmm.gif

senang citer pie google taip diana ross...nampaklah muka dia tu...hehehehehe thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(dien @ Aug 29 2008, 10:29 PM)
Diana Ross is ash favorite singer la.. hahaha
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AIK...APA KELASSI DIANA ROSS NIE BERBANDING GAN MISHA OMAR...
MISHA LAH FAVORITE SINGER ASH...TIAP TIAP HARI AKU BERBUNGA2 CINTA...HAHAHAHAHAH tongue.gif
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Added on August 29, 2008, 11:09 pm

guys stick to cat topic only smile.gif
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ooops...terlajak sudah. sori boss !!! doh.gif

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