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post Jul 1 2008, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(GeekinE90 @ Jun 30 2008, 09:27 PM)
Yes this is only true if developers have thin margins and can no longer absorb the cost of raw materials. But in Malaysia, its all speculative and greed and margins are BIG in property development. We get indons and banglas to build houses at dirt cheap unskilled labor cost but our homes can cost as much as developed countries where they use skilled labor at AUD or USD 15 per hour.
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Don't think their margin really BIG. If so we won't have so many abandoned projects in our nation previously, make more than 10k++ ppls suffering right now...
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post Jul 1 2008, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 1 2008, 03:21 PM)
today several bank approve my loan, right after bank negara make anouncement it will hold rate at current level at this month meeting, is this connected?  whistling.gif  unsure.gif
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u getting Fixed Rate package right? if BLR fluctuation happened, bank dont have authority to advise the fixed rate interest that agreed in the loan agreement earlier...
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post Jul 1 2008, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(noproblem @ Jul 1 2008, 04:52 PM)
Don't think their margin really BIG. If so we won't have so many abandoned projects in our nation previously, make more than 10k++ ppls suffering right now...
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their margin is really that big, other wise they won't be that rich.

houses in malaysia are way overpriced, most of the houses are sold twice the price of the cost to build one.

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post Jul 1 2008, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 1 2008, 05:50 PM)
u getting Fixed Rate package right? if BLR fluctuation happened, bank dont have authority to advise the fixed rate interest that agreed in the loan agreement earlier...
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fixed package only got one PBB 5 year fixed at 5.4, other banks are flexi package.
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post Jul 1 2008, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 1 2008, 07:07 PM)
fixed package only got one PBB 5 year fixed at 5.4, other banks are flexi package.
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same with me taking the same packages from PBB... tongue.gif
hopefully inflation or recession happen within this 5 years... tongue.gif
later economy may stable and BNM giving better BLR rate after 5 years and advice for lower BLR from PBB... tongue.gif

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post Jul 1 2008, 07:20 PM

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It does not matter whether the developer has thin or thick margin.

A) If the house is not selling, it MIGHT be more profitable for developer to abandon the project and leave sold house half completed.

B) If the project is completed, they may sell at any price just to stop the bleeding. Or, they will build mor ehouses.

<< Why build more house when there is less demand??>>

C) In USA, there are developer that is doing this now. They have to in order to get NEW LOAN and MORE MONEY to service the loan of the OLD project that cannot sell. They have to keep on building to stop going bankrupt.

D) This is similar to people applying and getting new credit card to pay the minimum balance of the OLD credit card debt.

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post Jul 1 2008, 07:26 PM

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wanto ask , is it possible for a project tht is 75-80% sold n is their maiden project in their big piece of land to go abandoned ? chances are?
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 1 2008, 07:16 PM)
same with me taking the same packages from PBB...  tongue.gif
hopefully inflation or recession happen within this 5 years... tongue.gif
later economy may stable and BNM giving better BLR rate after 5 years and advice for lower BLR from PBB... tongue.gif
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yah loh, praying hard for economy to recover within five year. not brave enough to let my largest commitment every month be subjected to changing interest rate during this trouble time. better safe than sorry.

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post Jul 1 2008, 10:32 PM

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I got my fixed interest rate from AIA...less worried...
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post Jul 2 2008, 09:34 AM

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Lets put it this way, whether or not to buy a house now really depends on your needs. If you are an investor, of course you have the luxury of waiting for the right price to come along. if you plan to get married of whatever reason that requires you to get a house in the near future, you got no choice, you cant really wait for the price to go down. Should there be a big time end of the world recession like some of you guys predicted, buying house will be the last thing in your mind.
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post Jul 2 2008, 11:13 AM

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@tzeyin,
Yes it is possible.
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post Jul 2 2008, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(tzeyin @ Jul 1 2008, 07:26 PM)
wanto ask , is it possible for a project tht is 75-80% sold n is their maiden project in their big piece of land to go abandoned ? chances are?
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if the project is 80% sold also does not mean the company have all the money needed to completed the project, the worst thing is the developer develop until like 70% completed and run away, all the buyer need to pay loan on their 70% completed property doh.gif
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post Jul 2 2008, 02:11 PM

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I guess time will tell which way the prices will go in the midst of this coming recession. I'm still pretty certain prices will be driven downwards instead of up smile.gif

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post Jul 2 2008, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 1 2008, 03:21 PM)
today several bank approve my loan, right after bank negara make anouncement it will hold rate at current level at this month meeting, is this connected?  whistling.gif  unsure.gif
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Congrats rclxms.gif Coincidence or not, after the announcement, a banker called me to say the offer letter is ready. Read the letter today - very competative rates biggrin.gif

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post Jul 6 2008, 06:01 PM

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Today's Sunday Star has some related articles -

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...3487&sec=nation
Builders cautious about starting new projects

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...3232&sec=nation
Desperate times force contractors to turn down government jobs

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...3489&sec=nation
Ministry may cut tax to help developers cope

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...3491&sec=nation
Contractors return jobs for government projects due to rising costs

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...3113&sec=nation
Housebuyers hope there won’t be delays

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post Jul 7 2008, 11:16 AM

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demand and supply will determine the price of houses, not cost. some developers have to build, because that is their source of income. if they dont build, they dont have money to pay their staff, to settle their borrowings etc. as such, they must keep to their plan.

some developers abandon their projects because or bad budgeting. some abandon their projects because of sudden surges in the cost of materials.
some abandon their projects because they have siphoned all the money out of the company, and they cant pay their contractors.

also, don't get too excited about the blr being maintained. i think it is just a matter of time before they are forced to increase it. spending is still high.

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post Jul 8 2008, 08:54 PM

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i got a friend who's a small time developer....he told me the margin around 40%....
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so you are right, it's sold almost twice the cost to build one.... but according to my friend...high risk, high gain la... they are risking all their money to build the houses...so it's proper for them to reap high rewards as well...


QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Jul 1 2008, 06:32 PM)
their margin is really that big, other wise they won't be that rich.

houses in malaysia are way overpriced, most of the houses are sold twice the price of the cost to build one.
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QUOTE(johnsonm @ Jul 7 2008, 11:16 AM)
also, don't get too excited about the blr being maintained. i think it is just a matter of time before they are forced to increase it. spending is still high.
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johnsonm, care to elaborate ur thought's on this?
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post Jul 8 2008, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jul 8 2008, 08:54 PM)
i got a friend who's a small time developer....he told me the margin around 40%....
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so you are right, it's sold almost twice the cost to build one.... but according to my friend...high risk, high gain la... they are risking all their money to build the houses...so it's proper for them to reap high rewards as well...
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<< they are risking all their money to build the houses...so it's proper for them to reap high rewards as well...>>

Come on. Please do not be so naive.

1) They get payment upfront from the buyer.

2) They borrowed money from the bank to build the house.

So, they are NOT risking their money. And, if things go bad, they can siphon the money out and abandon the project. And, you CAN'T do anything against them. All the risk is bear by the bank and the buyers.

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post Jul 9 2008, 09:32 PM

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worth buying house now, but must make sure that the location of the house is good (no.1 priority)

and of course your income is stable to pay the instalment rclxms.gif


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