looks like WW 2 me..
bt nt sure cox too blur
maybe take w/o cage?

looks kinda like a ww agouti (I'm not really an expert) cage looks kinda small too?

wait..did u say they were getting it on? Better separate or else u'll end up with more hamsters

Hmm, can we use normal bowl as hamster toilet?
Living World Polyresin Hamster Toilet costing RM30 i really cant afford ><

no need to use all those fancy thing la I just use an old glass ashtray but now I use those corner plastic toilets

there are toilet less than rm10. no need fancy one.

The package is good enough for your Syrian. Syrian do not need bathing sand, just toilet sand will do. You can use a ceramic bowl / clay bowl for the toilet sand (the brown color bowl which shown in jtl's package). There's different between bathing sand and toilet sand as toilet sand is not as fine as bathing sand. The most important thing is the tank and the wheel which is at least 8 inches in diameter so Wodent wheel is the best for them. If you do not have very high budget, then get the plastic aquarium tank instead of stainless steel bar cage as I don't think there's any in the market as the cost is too expensive, can get ZooZone2 with the price already.


#Jayniel#

When we decided to get a bigger tank for JackJack, we are looking at ZooZOne1 also, but after compare the price, there's only a bit different and much bigger space, so ended up with ZooZone2. Luckily get ZooZone2 as JackJack now can jump so high, if ZooZone1 for him maybe he can escape already. Really make me sweat every time I heard him jumping 'dung, dung, dung' when he landed.

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Added on July 5, 2008, 1:36 amNo need if you can't afford it. You can get the ceramic bowl / clay bowl (brown color) for it, it cost less than RM8 in KL and less than RM5 in Ipoh. The sand also not so easy to come out when they dig inside.

This post has been edited by sangels: Jul 5 2008, 01:39 AM

My black banded boy likes to sit inside his toilet and just day dream. Cute. Now he got longish fur around his bum, like a skirt.

Anyway, I was looking at Garage Sales.... kinda mad with people saying Syrians can be kept in pairs or group. The latest reply was plain wrong....



Don't you guys think this kinda advice is wrong?

Put 5 Syrians in 1 small cage of course they don't fight much coz no territory but they dislike living together. Is like making them suffer.... They do fight, just people dunno coz hamsters are active when we are asleep most of the time......

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This post has been edited by ss88: Jul 12 2008, 08:54 PM

Syrian dun nid bathing sand?
So they use toilet sand2 bath also?

You would just be making newbies buy to experiment with this sort of Syrian keeping style. Did I say hide? I said the Garage sale... people already know who open the thread. You want me to type out your username is BIG LETTERS and bold it?

Never see any injure.... take a look closely as in split the fur, sure can see bite marks. If never handle and look carefully, sure cannot see. But then they cannot even fight coz got no territory. Another thing is the Syrians would be more miserable. In the WILD, they are solitary, if in captivity we make them live in groups, don't you think it is torture? If Syrians do not fight in groups, then why all books, breeders, international hamster clubs all put advice saying syrians are solitary? Facts are facts, experience can be different depending on situations. If "SOME" Syrians can live in pairs or groups... then why those hamster clubs, breeders and books never say? Is it coz they do not experience it?

Also, using human emotions and relating to animal emotions is just wrong. We can think, negotiate, understand.... but animals mainly go by instinct.

Why petshop hamsters are all in 1 tank with 50 inside? Why never fight? Coz there is just no space to fight about and being miserable, they couldn't be bothered with arguing over space to live in.

I have kept hamsters for the past 12 years.... every pet species of hamster except Chinese Dwarf.

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This post has been edited by ss88: Jul 12 2008, 08:54 PM

nolah, toilet sand for pee pee.. they don't need bathing sand cos they groom themselves quite frequent wor.. i've seen some syrians groom so long until i'm tired watching.. haha, they're clean fellas

cant wait for my new semester to start so i can wrongfully use my ptptn money to get a hamster

syrians, even though u say can live together.. even if really can, even if really got luck, why would u wanna do that to them? u think they enjoy it?

i remember when i was young and staying with cousins, they recieved two syrians as a gift, got quite a big fancy tank, but they fought like mad and one had to stay in a small dingy observation box like thing while the other one conquered most of the box, poor bugger

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This post has been edited by ss88: Jul 12 2008, 08:54 PM

i dont think the point is that they didnt fight
the point is that they're uncomfortable living with other hamsters :/

The fact is syrian don't like living with each other and like to conquer and have as much territory as possible. The same as no 2 lions can have the same territory in Africa, 2 syrians cannot live well together.

I mean, why do you wanna let one of your hamster keep cowering and running away from the dominant hamster and live so terribly for the short 2 years of life that it only has?

We are not petshop owners who have no choice but to house a few hamsters together. We are plain hobbyist who should be able to give the hamsters most things it needs to live.

If the owner of the thread don't like it that we tell him the methods are wrong, then the least we could do is to not encourage people to buy into wrong facts.

Since syrians are solitary, there's no such thing as luck or no luck. It is in their nature that they don't like each other ad don't wanna see each other other than to breed.

To be honest, The second day I brought Ferro home, I wanted to take a picture of both of them together. Ferro was less than 2 months old and Roche was 2 months (supposedly). Their territorial instict is not out yet but non the less Roche chased Ferro around in a very unfriendly fashion. I conclude it's because she has her own territory (her cage) and does not like the idea of another hamster around. Ferro got so trauma that when I let him walk on the table i put both their cages on, he smelled her, and turned around and flew right off the table without second thought.

Don't do this to your hamsters... They deserve everything they need.

btw, is the Living World Exercise Ball medium big enough for a syrian?
or do they have bigger balls?

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I use the same one for Ferro and Roche. They're both bouncing off the walls in my living room in the same balls as those.

If your syrian isn't too big it's fine. Nezu's hammmies cannot use those lar. There is one size bigger for hedgehogs and other larger sized small animals.