yap Nvidia should learn this lesson and many ppl hope ATI 4870x2 will give more surprises to Nvidia, since they talk too many and always sell high price tag with old tech product.

for 4850 the temp are high even compare with 2900XT. actually ppl who buy 4850 card and thinking to change better Cooler then better just directly go for 4870. cause add that cooler almost the reach the 4870 price tag liao.