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post Apr 16 2009, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(logit85 @ Apr 16 2009, 10:26 PM)
P-312W subwoofer price RM20,000 ????  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
RT-12D 800Watts RMS 2000 Watts Peak
P-312W 1000Watts RMS 2500 Watts Peak powerfull can play louder

its price correct RM20K ?????  shocking.gif

htkaki please reply
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Bro, this is on order basis. Specially flown in. It is about RM16,800 depending on the ex-rate.

Please provide 50% (RM8,000) as deposit to order this monster sub. Delivery within 2 months time.
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QUOTE(Hwoarang45 @ Apr 15 2009, 06:52 PM)
i just brought a Rogers ASB-120M sub, wanna ask on phase mode, normal or reverse, i google usually know as 0 degree or `80 degree which should i used u guys recon?

i have a pair of full range Denon towers , bookshelf Denon center and rear.

and , my sub placment is almost 3 meter plus away, im using normal coaxial cable, so far no problem, but will using proper sub cables makes any different? details and quality different or just better shielding?
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I heard this sub make no different to our system... true bo?
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post Apr 17 2009, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(Hwoarang45 @ Apr 15 2009, 06:52 PM)
i just brought a Rogers ASB-120M sub, wanna ask on phase mode, normal or reverse, i google usually know as 0 degree or `80 degree which should i used u guys recon?

i have a pair of full range Denon towers , bookshelf Denon center and rear.

and , my sub placment is almost 3 meter plus away, im using normal coaxial cable, so far no problem, but will using proper sub cables makes any different? details and quality different or just better shielding?
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Phase settings on Sub ? Normal and Reverse ?

Hey they is a huge different between this 2...(depend on your surround space also)

TO me very simple.

Normal (default) - you have space (you can feel the earth shaking feeling if your sub is powerful enough) as its capable of 'travel' further..

Reserve - if you room space is small (like in bedroom)

Have a read here.
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good...-tower-speakers
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/article_560.shtml
http://www.goodsound.com/howto/2002_06_15.htm
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post Apr 20 2009, 04:12 PM

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Below are some subwoofers rated 5 Stars by What HiFI that is price below 400pounds. Anyone here using any of the subs below and what is the price in Malaysia?

B&W ASW610
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For - Fabulously agile and well-extended bass for its size; good finish; small and well-equipped
Against - Nothing

As reigning best Buy within its price class, the B&W ASW610 is the target its rivals have to aim for, but as we’ve seen in several tests of late, it’ s a difficult target to hit.

That’s partially because it’s surprisingly small, at just 31cm high – but it’s also because its diminutive form disguises a formidably powerful and terrifically dynamic design, its 200w amplifier controlling the excursions of its 25cm Kevlar/paper drive unit with a martinet’s fervour.

Spin a movie, and depth and drive are never in doubt, the B&W thundering through The Dark Knight with an absolute authority that belies its modest size.

However, most of its rivals can go loud and deep: the ASW610’s edge lies its lethally effective blend of power and poise, muscle and musicality.

It can deliver bass with subtlety and expression, its speed on the attack and its tonal differentiation ensuring Santogold’s L.E.S Artistes fairly zips along.

It’s a genuine all-rounder and no mistake.

Velodyne Impact-12
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For - Formidable bass depth for its price; well-equipped
Against - Musically, not the best in this test

There ain’t no substitute for cubic inches, or so our American cousins would have it – and in subwoofer terms, here’s your proof.

American brand Velodyne can readily deliver great bass from a small enclosure, but with its Impact-12, it’s adopted a more traditional approach.

This is a big ol’box designed to deliver big ol’ bass, the cabinet being some 12cm deeper than the Tannoy TS-12, even though it’s fitted with a similarly hefty 30cm drive unit.

In action, the Velodyne sounds reminiscent of one of its forebears, the CHT-12R. It serves up no-fuss, max-fun bass, its extension and sheer sofa-shuddering weight eclipsing even the excellent B&W ASW610.

However, switch to music listening, and there’s a subtle lack of fluidity to its approach, a tangible slowness that hinders the attacking drive of Audioslave’s Revelations.

That makes this fine sub more of a movie than a music classic.

Wharfedale Diamond SW250

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For -Impressive control and weight

With the raft of movie big hitters swamping the Blu-ray shelves it’s time to ponder your system’s sonic capabilities.

So, if your budget/midrange speaker package is in dire need of a bass injection, then the Wharfedale SW250 is more than happy to oblige. This superb sealed sub produces an explosive but controlled low-frequency hit, perfect for the action delights of Iron Man.

Its curved cabinet ensures superb rigidity, enabling the 250-watt amp to deliver a powerful, tight and articulate bass. It can rock your room with impressive weight but it’s also not adverse to caressing you with more subtle rumblings.

Epos ELS SUB
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For - Speedy and precise; great detail; carries a tune
Against - Can trip out at high volumes

The Epos is part of the company’s superb sub-£1000 surround package, the ELS3 5.1. It delivers the sound with such speed and precision, however, that the result is arguably more impressive and insightful than any of its rivals can achieve.

Detail resolution is terrific, which helps to build atmosphere in the low-key movie action scenes, and when the big explosions happen the Epos doesn’t hold back. Push very hard and you can trip the internal protection circuit, but this only happens at higher levels than we imagine most people will ever use.

It could be an issue, though, if your room is very large or you listen at extreme volumes. Apart from that there’s little to complain about.

This is a musical, detailed subwoofer that carries a tune better than most, packs decent muscle and has the agility to ensure that it’ll work well with a wide range of systems. Factor into the equation excellent build and a highly competitive price, and it’s clear it’ll be a pretty tough proposition to beat.





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QUOTE(htkaki @ Apr 16 2009, 11:07 PM)
Bro, this is on order basis. Specially flown in. It is about RM16,800 depending on the ex-rate.

Please provide 50% (RM8,000) as deposit to order this monster sub. Delivery within 2 months time.
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ohh if i buy i can pay deposit 50% RM8k why need wait delivery with 2 months to long ? rclxub.gif
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post Apr 21 2009, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(logit85 @ Apr 21 2009, 12:47 PM)
ohh if i buy i can pay deposit 50% RM8k why need wait delivery with 2 months to long ?  rclxub.gif
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Bro, Please read " this is on order basis. Specially flown in" rclxub.gif

they don't have stock here lar..... doh.gif
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Apr 21 2009, 02:23 PM)
Bro, Please read " this is on order basis. Specially flown in"  rclxub.gif

they don't have stock here lar..... doh.gif
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hey i understand lah explan if order pc hardware like Intel core i7 how long take 3-5 working days like this
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post Apr 21 2009, 06:47 PM

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How u compare such small things with heavy things doh.gif

Good things must wait... maybe low stock, or need bring in from far place.

This post has been edited by dlyz: Apr 21 2009, 06:51 PM
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post Apr 21 2009, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(logit85 @ Apr 21 2009, 06:15 PM)
hey i understand lah explan if order pc hardware like Intel core i7 how long take 3-5 working days like this
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How can compare Core i7 to hi-end Klipsch sub? Core i7 much more common item, plus have local distributors - of course faster delivery lah.
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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Apr 17 2009, 03:22 PM)
I heard this sub make no different to our system... true bo?
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works nice for me, not too boomy as long as i dont put volume too loud, its tight, but it takes too much space , lol wish its smaller,

QUOTE(g88 @ Apr 17 2009, 10:59 PM)
Phase settings on Sub ? Normal and Reverse ?

Hey they is a huge different between this 2...(depend on your surround space also)

TO me very simple.

Normal (default) - you have space (you can feel the earth shaking feeling if your sub is powerful enough) as its capable of 'travel' further..

Reserve - if you room space is small (like in bedroom)

Have a read here.
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good...-tower-speakers
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/article_560.shtml
http://www.goodsound.com/howto/2002_06_15.htm
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oh thanks bro, i took the liberty to read it , now my system are tune nicely, it sound sweet~ been blasting eversince... now ta bass are punching my heart and gut in and out hahaha
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post Apr 21 2009, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 21 2009, 07:35 PM)
How can compare Core i7 to hi-end Klipsch sub? Core i7 much more common item, plus have local distributors - of course faster delivery lah.
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Luckily, most of you understood.

Why LP640 have to wait while E90 dont have to? sweat.gif

I can probably speed things up for you if you are SERIOUS in getting this brows.gif . I can always arrange it by special air freight to bring it in at a lot more additional cost.

LOL.... finally, I bumped into someone who is interested in RT-12D tongue.gif

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Apr 10 2009, 05:06 PM)
I use the biggest ie Paradigm DSP 3400 giving the best BOOOOMMM! biggrin.gif

The other two Roger 10" & Sherwood 12" can go & fly kite far far away! tongue.gif  tongue.gif  Now that two subs is just all alone in my dark storeroom... sad.gif

Ok actually I did try having 7.3 but the result is terrible the bass all mass up & not so good.
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bro,i would like to ask you where can i check out paradigm speakers??
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I would like to share something that I found recently. Subs are normally rated +/- 3dB. Typically it means that the sub will go as low as that within a tolerance of +/- 3dB from reference. The normal reference is 75dB. This rating is done in a quasi anechoic chamber/room. This does not mean that the sub cannot reproduce below that. It only means that the volume will be lower than 72dB. Subs normally have a very steep rolloff below their rating.

My sub is rated at 26Hz (+/- 3dB). However, our room accoustics can lower or increase the frequency quite a bit. For example, if I use it in my dedicated stereo system I get +/- 3dB at 25Hz. However, if I were to change the sub phase to 0 from 180 I get a room response where my sub now is able to deliver 21Hz (+/-3dB). However, with this lower there is a huge peak at 37Hz. If I were to hook up my CD player to the CD input of my AVR amp and use the stereo mode (Audyssey enabled) the peaks are much flatter and the 37Hz is reduced. The sub response at 180 is also now down to 20Hz (+/- 3dB). The 37Hz hump is there but very much smaller (the fronts are still pre-out to my dedicated Holfi amp).

I will try to post some graphs of my findings. At the moment, I am using a freeware (with a laptop), a USB soundcard and tripod mounted Radioshack SPL meter to show the response of the sub and mains at the lower frequencies. I am waiting for my new Galaxy Audio SPL meter that is calibrated tightly compared to the RS SPL that is known to be not as accurate. Also by moving my main speakers around, I get to see the flattest response with regards to my main listening position that improves the overall sound experience.

The importance of a sub in a home theater environment compared to a music environment is different. In a pure HT environment, you would like the bass to enable enjoyment of the LFE (boom, explosions, gun shots). However, in a music environment, you want the subwoofer to supplement the main speakers and not cause unnecessary boominess. The sub must not be felt, it needs to be blend in.

I wanted to point out that it is possible to go much lower than the sub is rated at depending on room placement and room accoustics.

I will try my best to post the charts here within the next few weeks when I get my Galaxy Audio SPL meter.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Apr 21 2009, 09:52 PM)
Luckily, most of you understood.

Why LP640 have to wait while E90 dont have to? sweat.gif 

I can probably speed things up for you if you are SERIOUS in getting this brows.gif  . I can always arrange it by special air freight to bring it in at a lot more additional cost.

LOL.... finally, I bumped into someone who is interested in RT-12D  tongue.gif
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wah...who's that guy? Must be very rich notworthy.gif
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post Apr 22 2009, 08:48 AM

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I will try my best to post the charts here within the next few weeks when I get my Galaxy Audio SPL meter.
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oi! dont caci my rs meter! hehe
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great sharing anfieldude,

care to share the overall setup?

Based on what you've written on your post, my take for it would be you're using a freeware for signal generation to Amp, and using the RS SPL meter to see the sound level.

You will then sweep your signal generation from the lower frequency to higher frequencies noting the sound level as you go?


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QUOTE(mpyw @ Apr 22 2009, 08:45 AM)
wah...who's that guy? Must be very rich  notworthy.gif
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tongue.gif Elite mah....

Btw, did you try the 'snake' on your sub? I ll hook it up to test out this weekend.
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[quote=mys_terious,Apr 22 2009, 08:48 AM]
I will try my best to post the charts here within the next few weeks when I get my Galaxy Audio SPL meter.
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oi! dont caci my rs meter! hehe
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Not caci-lah bro....i want to compare it to a "supposedly" more accurate SPL meter. Let's see. But I would not have gone this far without your RS SPL meter. I think it is accurate, it gives me a flat response. But let's see.


Added on April 22, 2009, 9:24 am[quote=kiam,Apr 22 2009, 08:52 AM]
great sharing anfieldude,

care to share the overall setup?

Based on what you've written on your post, my take for it would be you're using a freeware for signal generation to Amp, and using the RS SPL meter to see the sound level.

You will then sweep your signal generation from the lower frequency to higher frequencies noting the sound level as you go?
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Yeah, u are mostly correct. The "paid" freeware is a signal generator but it also uses the output of the SPL Meter to map out the readings. As such, no manual readings are necessary. You need to have a soundcard that has a line out and line in to do this work. It produces great graphs and there is a support group as well.

I use a XP based laptop, a Creative USB SB Live soundcard, some splitters, cables, a tripod, RS SPL Meter. Its a simple setup yet priceless.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Apr 22 2009, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Apr 20 2009, 04:12 PM)
Below are some subwoofers rated 5 Stars by What HiFI that is price below 400pounds.  Anyone here using any of the subs below and what is the price in Malaysia?

B&W ASW610
user posted image
      For - Fabulously agile and well-extended bass for its size; good finish; small and well-equipped
      Against - Nothing

As reigning best Buy within its price class, the B&W ASW610 is the target its rivals have to aim for, but as we’ve seen in several tests of late, it’ s a difficult target to hit.

That’s partially because it’s surprisingly small, at just 31cm high – but it’s also because its diminutive form disguises a formidably powerful and terrifically dynamic design, its 200w amplifier controlling the excursions of its 25cm Kevlar/paper drive unit with a martinet’s fervour.

Spin a movie, and depth and drive are never in doubt, the B&W thundering through The Dark Knight with an absolute authority that belies its modest size.

However, most of its rivals can go loud and deep: the ASW610’s edge lies its lethally effective blend of power and poise, muscle and musicality.

It can deliver bass with subtlety and expression, its speed on the attack and its tonal differentiation ensuring Santogold’s L.E.S Artistes fairly zips along.

It’s a genuine all-rounder and no mistake.

Velodyne Impact-12
user posted image
      For - Formidable bass depth for its price; well-equipped
    Against - Musically, not the best in this test

There ain’t no substitute for cubic inches, or so our American cousins would have it – and in subwoofer terms, here’s your proof.

American brand Velodyne can readily deliver great bass from a small enclosure, but with its Impact-12, it’s adopted a more traditional approach.

This is a big ol’box designed to deliver big ol’ bass, the cabinet being some 12cm deeper than the Tannoy TS-12, even though it’s fitted with a similarly hefty 30cm drive unit.

In action, the Velodyne sounds reminiscent of one of its forebears, the CHT-12R. It serves up no-fuss, max-fun bass, its extension and sheer sofa-shuddering weight eclipsing even the excellent B&W ASW610.

However, switch to music listening, and there’s a subtle lack of fluidity to its approach, a tangible slowness that hinders the attacking drive of Audioslave’s Revelations.

That makes this fine sub more of a movie than a music classic.

Wharfedale Diamond SW250

user posted image
      For -Impressive control and weight

With the raft of movie big hitters swamping the Blu-ray shelves it’s time to ponder your system’s sonic capabilities.

So, if your budget/midrange speaker package is in dire need of a bass injection, then the Wharfedale SW250 is more than happy to oblige.  This superb sealed sub produces an explosive but controlled low-frequency hit, perfect for the action delights of Iron Man.

Its curved cabinet ensures superb rigidity, enabling the 250-watt amp to deliver a powerful, tight and articulate bass. It can rock your room with impressive weight but it’s also not adverse to caressing you with more subtle rumblings.

Epos ELS SUB
user posted image
      For - Speedy and precise; great detail; carries a tune
      Against - Can trip out at high volumes

The Epos is part of the company’s superb sub-£1000 surround package, the ELS3 5.1. It delivers the sound with such speed and precision, however, that the result is arguably more impressive and insightful than any of its rivals can achieve.

Detail resolution is terrific, which helps to build atmosphere in the low-key movie action scenes, and when the big explosions happen the Epos doesn’t hold back. Push very hard and you can trip the internal protection circuit, but this only happens at higher levels than we imagine most people will ever use.

It could be an issue, though, if your room is very large or you listen at extreme volumes. Apart from that there’s little to complain about.

This is a musical, detailed subwoofer that carries a tune better than most, packs decent muscle and has the agility to ensure that it’ll work well with a wide range of systems. Factor into the equation excellent build and a highly competitive price, and it’s clear it’ll be a pretty tough proposition to beat.
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Where can I buy B&W ASW610 sub in malaysia? Any dealers in Malaysia or here in lyn?

TQ
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post Apr 22 2009, 02:07 PM

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