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 Subwoofer Discussion Thread, A thread for things that go BOOOOMMM!!!

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aiman04
post Dec 4 2008, 08:13 AM

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For deep LFE that give you the "feel", try also Transformers (especially when Ironhide flips while firing his cannon to the ground, not only very deep but for the first time I sense the bass ripples towards me), Cloverfield and yes, Kung Fu Panda on BD. thumbup.gif

Surprisingly all the titles I mentioned are using Dolby TrueHD. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 4 2008, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(psp _BOY @ Dec 4 2008, 11:55 AM)
Alright, this is it, Iron Mn time tongue.gif. Volume at -6.0. Bass at +5.0

Let's see how crazy I'am.

Transformers on Saturday. Dark Knight when it arrives rclxm9.gif
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Wow, that's very loud! My normal listening volume already increased to -27dB (previously lower). The highest I can go is -21dB only. notworthy.gif
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post Dec 5 2008, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Dec 5 2008, 10:24 AM)
Just bought the "QED Qunex Silver Reference SR-SW Subwoofer Cable 3m" from futureshop.co.uk....

they are having the 50% off for some QED product now....

everything in incl shipping = GBP29.46 (RM165) icon_rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif

go grab it while still there tongue.gif
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I'm using the same cable. But when I bought it there was no special sale. sweat.gif
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post Dec 7 2008, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(djlah @ Dec 5 2008, 03:47 PM)
@mpyw,
I wish to buy toslink cable 1M from futureshop.co.uk for QED brand.
http://www.futureshop.co.uk/qed-cables-qed...-c-181_185.html

but got 3 diff range of QED cable.
  QED Performance
  QED Reference
  QED One

izzit 3 of that also glass toslink or plastic toslink?
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Sorry, I don't have any toslink in my setup now, all HDMI for digital interconnects.

But for QED, the Reference series is their highest end series.
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post Dec 11 2008, 10:22 PM

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If the auto on/off is faulty, just do it manually then.
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post Dec 16 2008, 11:49 PM

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The crossover on the receiver you can use auto-calibration, but the low-pass knob on the subwoofer itself you have to set manually. It's basically to limit high frequencies coming in to the subwoofer. Set it to maximum/direct/bypass if you're doing the bass management in the receiver. With proper settings, the frequencies will be handled efficiently. Also, please check the auto-calibration results and adjust where you seem fit, the original result will not always be accurate.

The low-pass filter can also be managed in the receiver if you're using an Onkyo.
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post Dec 17 2008, 09:35 AM

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You're using an Onkyo AVR? Letting the Audyssey doing the EQ?

My sub was also looking like it was very hard to keep up, during some very deep LFE scenes almost sound distorted.

Then I manually set my own EQ. Now my sub is working very smoothly and sounds the best as it should have been. You have to play around the EQ for other speakers too once you turn off Audyssey's. To properly adjust EQ you'll need a test tones CD and an SPL meter.

Sure, the Audyssey was great, but my own EQ sounds better to me.
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post Dec 18 2008, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 17 2008, 12:19 PM)
so how to adjsut the EQ for the sub?
reduce the Db level for the sub from the avr? or adjust the volume knob of the sub? rclxub.gif
adjust the phase?
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Manually adjusts the EQ in the receiver. Play a test tone CD for the correct frequency and adjust the dB so the reading on the SPL meter is uniform for all frequencies. For Onkyo, there is a 5-band graphic EQ.

Because of the room conditions, certain frequencies could be louder than the others, the purpose of graphic EQ is to equalize them.



QUOTE(Goneraz @ Dec 17 2008, 02:07 PM)
hoiw la... all this phase... eq setting talk... i already pening with cross overliao now got phase and eq...alamak...
I know phase=direction right but alamak... i think i will tinker with it tonight...
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The purpose of the phase setting (to my understanding) is to have the perfect marriage with the main speakers in the system, making it in sync. This is to make the sound from the sub blends in with the whole setup. If they arrive out of phase, there's the tiniest delay between the singer's voice and bass guitar, for instance.

Here's something I keep in my notes:

"An easy, accurate way of setting the phase control is to reverse the connections on your main speakers (the black wire goes to the red terminal and the red wire to the black terminal). Now play a simple selection, like a jazz instrumental with a good walking bass line, on your system while you're sitting in your listening position. Have a friend dial the phase control on the sub until you hear the least amount of bass. Leave the setting there. Returning your speaker wires to their proper places will now allow you to hear the most bass from your sub.

(If your sub doesn't have a phase control, you're going to want to position it as close as possible to one of your main speakers in order to ensure that the sound waves are synced up.)"


There may be more to this phase settings, maybe some sifus here can help.

QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 17 2008, 06:01 PM)
Yep. The CHT-Q series. I understand this is the next-generation to replace the CHT-R series. If you go to the Velodyne website and download the user manuals for Velodyne's newer models, you will see at the back (near the last page, where they give a listing of their entire subwoofer product line) that the CHT-Q is listed but not the CHT-R.

I actually emailed Curt of Velodyne about them and here is his reply:-
Rick from A & L told me they should be arriving in abt 2 weeks' time (but that was abt 2 weeks ago!). I suppose this means it should be anytime soon... I'm waiting to audition the CHT-12Q as a replacement/upgrade form my current Impact-12 (which I find to be just fine for movies but a little lacking in the musicality department).
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AugistineSoh, when you buy the new CHT-Q, keep the Impact. Maybe can have a dual-sub setup. brows.gif

This post has been edited by aiman04: Dec 18 2008, 12:21 PM
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post Dec 23 2008, 10:02 AM

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Try to take a pic of the new CHT-Q when you guys are there. Just for curiosity, not planning to go to A&L for a long while. The poison is weaker when you don't see and hear it live. sweat.gif
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post Dec 24 2008, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 24 2008, 10:29 AM)
Did they have the CHT-12Q there for demo/audition also? Am looking to upgrade from my Impact-12 to this...


Added on December 24, 2008, 10:36 am

Haha! I think it's a good strategy but doomed to failure in the end. One day you'll be walking with the missus around some shopping mall and suddenly (accidentally  tongue.gif ) pass by a hifi shop and say to yourself, Aiya what the heck since i'm already here what's the harm in checking it out (not that i'm actually going to buy anything right)?
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Exactly what happened when I bought my CHT-10R. My wife gave the nod, and then, the rest is just history. tongue.gif
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post Dec 24 2008, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 24 2008, 06:54 PM)
Thanks fr the heads-up. But i read somewhere that they dont ship to Msia?


Added on December 24, 2008, 6:58 pm

Happens to me all the time, too... *sigh*
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They do ship to Malaysia, you have to contact them first. IIRC, in their reply to me they mentioned that their shipping cost already includes customs fees, etc, so might not be much hassle.

So, considering a HSU ar? brows.gif

Dr Hsu was originally a Singaporean.
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post Dec 26 2008, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(eball88 @ Dec 26 2008, 06:46 PM)
hi guys
any ideas what type of sub woofer brand that have quality as similar as at cinema???
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All good subwoofers from well-known manufacturers should have similar or better quality than the cinemas, provided if you get the one that suits to the size of your room and and properly calibrated.
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post Jan 15 2009, 05:38 PM

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Yup, frequencies below 80Hz is not directional, if you can tell the location of your subwoofer just by listening, than somethings not right, should be calibrated again.

But the difference between down or front firing is not direction, some people says the down firing gives more impact, because of the direct reflection to the floor. Personally I've never auditioned a down firing subwoofers.

The point about poking the driver is valid too. laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2009, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Jan 15 2009, 06:03 PM)
want to ask how the set the frequency from the 805 for the sub, the lowest range can go is 80Hz THX, so means anything below 80Hz goes to the sub?
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I think you should be able to set 40, 50, 60, and 70Hz too, my 875 can. hmm.gif

Set it at about 10Hz higher than your speaker's lowest rated frequency. This is where the specs sheet is useful, if you don't have it you have to use test tones (with crossover turned off) and check the lowest tone it can produce.

And yes, anything below 80Hz will be sent to the subwoofer. If you speakers can handle down to 80Hz, try not to set higher or else your subwoofer is directional already. But the advantage of this, the bass thump will be more defined and sharper. So it's still personal preference, as the great philosopher once said, "the code is more of a guideline than actual rule" (Captain Hector Barbossa). laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2009, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Jan 15 2009, 08:23 PM)
my front,and back can be set individually to as low as 30Hz...
but i dunno y the sub lowest is 80Hz THX, issit need to enable some features to enable it goes below 80Hz?
i remember got a sub menu that ask "is ur sub a THX" or sth like tat hmm.gif ..
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Oh, you mean the Low-Pass Filter for the LFE? That's a different setting, kind of the opposite to the crossover actually.

This setting is only for the LFE channel from movies, the .1 in 5.1 or 7.1 tracks. This extra channel is actually created based on the same idea/concept of crossover, but it was already done for you first-hand by the movie engineers in the mixing studio, putting the low frequency in a separate dedicated .1 track . Some of the engineers might put the LFE too high (though not actually wrong, just his preference), maybe let's say 100Hz. So, the purpose of the LPF in Onkyo, is to prevent the high frequency from the LFE track from being sent to the subwoofer. Meaning if you set the LPF at 80Hz, the frequency range between 80-100Hz of the LFE track will be filtered.

If you just want to just hear it just the way the movie sound engineer intended, just put it as high as possible. But, as I said, higher frequency will make the subwoofer directional but with sharper and defined bass thumps. So again, it comes back to your own listening preference. Only to watch out, don't set it too higher than your subwoofer's high frequency capability.

Hope I don't confuse it further. laugh.gif
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post Jan 22 2009, 07:21 AM

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QUOTE(gtafan @ Jan 21 2009, 11:37 AM)
heard from the salesman that is d last unit that's why they selling it at this price. not sure whether they taking in new stock..


Added on January 21, 2009, 11:43 amhi guys,

to all d paradigm fans..
tis is d latest quote i've got from asia sound.
juz tot of sharing wit u guys.. heh

Ultracube 10' (RM3'680.00) & 12"(RM4,680.00)
DSP3100 = RM2380.00, DSP3200=RM3175.00, DSP3400=RM3960.00

Servo 15 = RM10170.00
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The price hasn't changed much eh? I asked them a many months ago, the DSP3100 was RM2380 as well.

Anyway, Paradigm and Velodyne was the short list at that time, due to unexpected budget cut-off at that time, I get the CHT-10R instead. Not much regrets though. biggrin.gif


Added on January 22, 2009, 7:37 amTHE L.Y.N. SUBWOOFER OWNERS CLUB


SVS

PC-12 (?)
callmevill
PB12-NSD
mys_terious


VELODYNE

CHT-12R
Mpyw
splee8868
Arj
albertonia
shich80
WCH69
timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
augustinesoh (?)
Gtafan NEW!!
Slicardo NEW!!
CHT-10R
Sunauto
Aiman04
Arremie
ycs
suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj
DD-12
Pierreye
Impact-12
-
SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd

WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007

PARADIGM
-

REL
-

KLIPSCH
-

Owners, please add your name or correct the list accordingly. biggrin.gif

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post Jan 22 2009, 09:36 AM

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Updated. biggrin.gif


THE L.Y.N. SUBWOOFER OWNERS CLUB

SVS

PC-12 (?)
callmevill
PB12-NSD
mys_terious

VELODYNE

CHT-12R
Mpyw
splee8868
Arj
albertonia
shich80
WCH69
timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
augustinesoh (?)
Gtafan NEW!!
Slicardo NEW!!
CHT-10R
Sunauto
Aiman04
Arremie
ycs
suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj
DD-12
Pierreye
Impact-12
-
SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd

WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007

PARADIGM

PS1200
fevercrash
Servo-15
Htkaki (coming soon!) brows.gif

REL
-

KLIPSCH
-

Owners, please add your name or correct the list accordingly. biggrin.gif

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post Jan 23 2009, 06:49 AM

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Updated. biggrin.gif

The L.Y.N. Subwoofer Owners Club


SVS

PC-12 (?)
callmevill
PB12-NSD
mys_terious

VELODYNE

CHT-12R
Mpyw
splee8868
Arj
albertonia
shich80
WCH69
timothyy
Htkaki
Rakyat
Gtafan
Slicardo
Howie
gizmodo
CHT-10R
Sunauto
Aiman04
Arremie
ycs
suitangi
Hackwire
jwyj
DD-12
Pierreye
CHT-12Q
augustinesoh
SPL-1000 Ultra
Superamd
SPL-1200R
Htkaki (coming soon!) brows.gif
megatron007 (coming soon!) brows.gif
Impact-12
-

WHARFEDALE

SW150
yfyap69
megatron007

PARADIGM

PS1000
Dddrive
PS1200
fevercrash
Ultracube-12
nadky
Servo-15
Htkaki (coming soon!) brows.gif
megatron007 (coming soon!) brows.gif

REL
-

KLIPSCH
-

HSU Research
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Owners, please add your name or correct the list accordingly. biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by aiman04: Jan 23 2009, 06:20 PM
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Updated the list. Just wanna give some motivations to Htkaki to achieve his goal. rclxms.gif

You can do it bro! flex.gif
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post Jan 23 2009, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(gizmodo @ Jan 23 2009, 10:17 AM)
Pls add my name on the list...Proud owner of Velodyne CHT-12R..Thanks
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Updated.

Htkaki, don't worry, just coming soon. biggrin.gif

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