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HP LP2475w 24-inch Widescreen LCD Monitor



http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/my/en/sm/WF...67-3648442.html


Price RM$ 3,056


H-IPS/S-IPS and even S-PVA are way better then TN panels. It's like comparing gold with a piece of shit Also it's way better then the Dell 2408 that is plagued with high input lag. This HP has the following input lag when compared to crt.

Things you should know about this monitor.

1. it's a 8 bit s-ips panel.

2. it does not have a at-w polarizer

3. it's wide gamut

4. there is no hardware internal lut. You will need to depend on graphics card lut if you plan on color calibrating

5. it's using the newest panel type by Lg


6. it has dvi, hdmi, and display port and HDCP compliant. This is why i said i said overall it's a better alternative then Dell.



Anyway the only problem i could find for this monitor is that it is wide gamut. So colors would be over saturated on srgb sources which means pretty much everything since 90% of the graphics is using srgb Anyway i have a x-rite Eye one display 2 calibrator so hoping to tame the colors when i buy this monitor. I heard it will be available in Malaysia. I just only saw that they released the malaysian price on the malaysian website so they must be pretty close to releasing for the malaysian market.


More info about the hp you can find here

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthrea...14#post12356614

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 27 2008, 01:59 AM

I recommend the HP LP2475W. I just checked with the HP reseller representative and they quoted RM 3000. They have stock available, and can ship directly to my house. I only pay when they deliver either by cash or check. I am probably ordering it today or tomorrow.

But since you want cheaper they also have a 22 inch model which i think is a S-PVA. Not sure about the price.

The cheapest you can get is a TN panel. I am not too sure about monitors in this category as they don't really interest me. They are however fast and responsive for games and videos, but don't expect their color or video quality to be on par with either H-IPS/S-IPS/S-PVA panel types which are in a different league all together.

I know which is why i recommended the best one i could think of and he can work his way down from that to how much his willing to pay to get. Also i give some other alternatives to consider.

22'' lcds have dropped a lot compared to 24'' so instead of settling on 19 or 20, probably should look at 22 or 24.

The HP 24'' S-IPS is probably the cheapest S-IPS in the 24'' category.

Hi i just saw they updated the page for the new HP 22'' listed under business monitors as RM$ 1,906




HP LP2275w 22-inch Widescreen LCD Monitor

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/my/en/sm/WF...67-3648453.html



It doesn't seem to have hdmi listed in its connectivity, however it has DVI ans also display port. Hdmi was never meant for computers anyway, also you could use a dvi to hdmi cable if you really needed the connectivity.

Display port graphics cards will be main stream hopefully next year

I will see if i can find some reviews for you if i see any.


update:

Found some info here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp...essage=29063041




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 28 2008, 12:20 AM

I just found this


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http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/c...dhs1&l=en&s=dhs



I found a review of it here

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum...141ec3d283db411


Anyway sounds to me like the best of the best doesn't seem too important to you ? Well this is a cheap affordable TN panel





Imho i would suggest you skip 19'' and go straight for either 22'' or 24'' because of the affordability after prices have dropped since last time. The main determining factor at the moment for these 2 sizes is the panel type.

Cheapest to expensive is as follows TN < PVA < IPS


If you can get a good PVA for slightly more then a TN, do it. You won't reget. For IPS the price spikes up much higher so you maybe not something you need since you aren't too picky like me

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 28 2008, 01:05 AM

Just to reclarify. 24'' and higher usually have 1900x1200 native resolution which is the resolution of 1080p High Definition videos.

There are some 22'' that have 1900x1200 however they are few and rare. Most of the 22'' are 1680x1050 native resolution.

30'' are usually 2000x resolution which is very taxing for graphics card, so i wouldn't recommend anything higher then 26'' because they use higher resolutions that required dual graphics cards setups


TN ( Cheap to make and good for gaming because it is the least laggy, and has lowest input lag out of the 3 different lcd panel types. However the color is crap as tn panels are 6bit using FRC. )

S-PVA = better quality then TN, however input lag and latency is higher. At the moment some S-PVA is at an acceptable input lag and latecny which makes it good enough for gamings. However some bad S-PVA are like the Dell 2408 which is too laggy to be used for gaming. This is more expensive then TN.

S-IPS = This is better than S-PVA as its better in colors and also has better input lag and latency. It's almost as fast as TN.

H-IPS = a newer version then S-IPS and surparses it.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 28 2008, 04:23 PM

Good question. I refer to this site to find out which panel type is being used.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/


It's not often they say what panel it is their using. Some of these companies like Dell have a lottery system where the panel could be anything even for the same model monitor. The panel they put in depends on their supply so they say.

Only NEC is guranteed to have IPS monitor but its rather expensive.

Do research online for your particular monitor before you buy.

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Added on August 29, 2008, 3:52 amThe best 24'' is RM 11,000 or more.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 29 2008, 03:52 AM

See the prices on this page

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/my/en/sm/WF...2087-64283.html



HP DreamColor LP2480zx Professional Display for RM 11k. Price overkill for us.

The max i would spend is 4k and even then, the lcd has to be fabulous to be worth that much. Usually i spend between 1.5k to 2.5k

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 29 2008, 11:54 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD

I don't understand why you would want the 2408. if you want for gaming i don't recommend especially for games like counter strike. This monitor has exceptionally high input lag If you don't believe just google it up.

It looks aesthetically nice, but lcd monitors is mostly about the quality of the lcd screen image. Stuff like looks and pivot/rotate/height adjust come secondary.

The new A01 revision for the Dell 2408 SUPPOSEDLY fixes the extremely high input lag. I haven't read whether it fixed it, or whether their in stock yet, but i wouldn't risk it if i was you.

Not sure about the 2408 price but since it's a S-PVA i am guessing it is cheaper then the HP LP2475W i am going to get. I am paying more but the quality is better and i checked the input lag is between 16-30 which is reasonable for IPS and PVA lcd panel types. The stand is not as sexy as the Dell, but i found the HP stand to be just as practical as the Dell. it isn't that ugly to me imho

I did not once claim it was a review i did. I also included the link. If you want to see the author just click link to read the whole review obviously. This is common sense why the hooo haa ?

If you noticed somebody posted good for you. I don't have the luxury to surf the forum all day long. Regardless whether it was posted earlier does it really matter especially to you ? lol.


Anyway its true old games like warcraft 3 that dont support some resolutions like wide screen especially can make use of some tricks widescreen games posted. But i wouldn't go out of my way to get a native resolution not supported by most of the new games.

1900x1200 native to me is good enough. My nvidia 8800 gts is pushed very hard at this resolution for games such as Crysis. The newer cards can play at 1900x1200 resolution at high settings on Crysis.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 1 2008, 04:09 AM

I feel very sad. The Hazro 26'' Hazro HZ26Wi is only sold in the UK. Impossible to get in Malaysia.


The review

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz26wi.htm



But fortunately the HP LP2475W is quite comparable and competes directly with the Hazro HZ24Wi. Mine is arriving in 7-10 days from now since it takes 3 days to clear by credit card it seems.

I paid RM 2400 for this so it's worth it imho. Rm 3000 was starting to make me sweat. I'm buying from HP directly since the reseller said they have no stock heh.


I really have no idea why people are looking at the Dells. I personally own a Dell 2405 FPW by the way. It was a good monitor but now is the time for me to experience S-IPS since people have been telling me it had lower input lag, better color and image quality. I've seen TN and it's worse then my PVA monitor ...........

Dell 2408 is a S-PVA with high input lag issues .... the HP LP2475W has between 15-30 ms input lag which is perfectly fine. In an official review the Hazro HAZ26Wi has 7.5 to 20 ms which is quite impressive.

I will post a mini review with pics once i get my monitor



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 3 2008, 07:31 PM

depends which brand and model your looking for and which shop/reseller has them .... usually i determine first what i want before i look for whos selling them.

If you just want to pop in and window shop instead of doing research online before hand, i think lowyat is probably the best place.

I heard ThunderMatch is a HP monitor reseller ? Maybe they have some monitors, not sure about the pricing though.


This website should have the latest price lists in lowyat.

http://www.hardwarezone.com



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 4 2008, 12:26 AM

Even if you go to the UK, the Hazro probably taking back to Malaysia is hard because firstly its heavy.

Secondly you will be definitely asked to pay tax for it through customs.

Thirdly ontop of that, the exchange rate to uk pounds is quite steep for the Malaysian currency. Last i checked it was times 7.5 our currency

I would suggest you stick to the HP because it's available in Malaysia. It's very very comparable to the Hazro. On the Hp website they have it listed. I contacted HP via the website by leaving a message for the before sales enquiries which i told them i was interested in buying the monitor.

This seems the only way to buy the monitor as their online store does not have this listed, and the reseller doesn't seem to have it.







I also did quite a lot of research about the pricing, whether it was S-IPS, the input connectivity, OSD menu settings, calibration, and also importantly the input lag ...... I would say this beats the competition namely the Dell 2408. Out of all the monitors that has an additional HDMi and display port connection, this monitor is probably the best

The Hazro HZ26Wi also is very comparable and has especially very low input lag :cool: Someone here previously wrongly said it was S-IPS, when in the review they clearly state that it is in fact a H-IPS panel


The review for the Hazro is here

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz26wi.htm

The HP review i believe will be out on the same site within 1-2 weeks if i heard correctly




HP LP2475W

Pros:
- competitively priced S-IPS monitor
- Newest S-IPS panel
-Wide Screen 1920x1200 native resolution. I think it is WUXGA ? Can anybody confirm this ?
- wide gamut ( good for if your into adobe photoshop stuff. Probably not too much of an issue for regular computer uses as some people reported that it wasn't too over saturated for SRGB sources. Further calibration should make it less of an issue i hope ).
- Very adjustable for height, swivel and pivot
- Has DVI, HDMI and Display port which is pretty much all the necessary and latest connections needed for future proofing Has HDCP.
- Input lag reported between 15-30 which is within acceptable limits for me as a gamer
- Can install an optional speaker module if required. Seem it is SPDIF though :cool:
- Compared to the Hazro it is more readily available because it has much more retailers world wide even in my country Malaysia.

Cons
- It isn't H-IPS which is supposedly a newer technology then S-IPS. But looking at this monitors results i don't think this is much of an issue considering the price were paying for it
- It's wide gamut which means for most graphics which are srgb it may be over saturated. But then again people reported that the over saturation was acceptable. Hopefully some calibration with my Eye One Display 2 i can see whether this can be improved Not much of an issue for me at the moment.
- Does not have the advanced True-White (A-TW) polarizer which reduces glow effect at angles. But from what i hear there isn't much of a glow issue for the monitor :confused: So don't really think this is an issue.



Hazro HZ26Wi

Pros:
- H-IPS panel
-Wide Screen 1920x1200 native resolution. I think it is WUXGA ? Can anybody confirm this ?
- wide gamut ( good for if your into adobe photoshop stuff. Note that the 24'' model is normal gamut if that is what you prefer.
- Has DVI, HDMI. Has HDCP.
- Input lag reported as an average of 17 ? Which is quite low and acceptable for gamers
- Has an aluminium enclosure

Cons
- Not readily available as it is only sold in the UK
- The power supply is a brick outside the monitor. For people that don't like bricks this may be a disadvantage but to me it isn't really much of an issue.
- Adjust ability is very limited. Hp may be preferable in this area.
- wide gamut, however the 24'' model is normal gamut if you prefer that, so not much of an issue.
- It does not have the advanced True-White (A-TW) polarizer



In all honesty either the HP or the Hazro would make a fine monitor depending on which of these pros/cons that matters to you and especially the price comparison





Source: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthrea...17911883&page=2




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 4 2008, 08:12 AM

Another reason to stay away from the Hazro.

Is that a motherboard ? That is quite light to carry.

But how you gonna carry the 24'' monitor in the large box ? Also airlines have a weight limit for bagage.

If you try mailing your big package back to malaysia using say a courier like fedex, it would cost you hundreds of ringgit

Not really worth it. Trust me i thought of all this, because i have a brother studying in the UK


Patchin - And what is your basis for saying this ? Any reviews for pros and cons ?

Dell 2409W
http://www.productwiki.com/dell-s2409w/


Samsung 226BW
http://www.trustedreviews.com/displays/rev...Master-226BW/p1

HP w2228h
http://www.testseek.com/computers/displays...30ec2c4252.html


Since you mentioned PS3, i would get the monitor with the HDMI connection as a main requirement. Decide for yourself base on the reviews i linked. Google up for more reviews yourself as well

I would advise you if i could but i am not too familiar with them.

Like i said i talked with the direct sales person and she quoted the price for me.

I was also surprised the price was lower then the website stated price. My order seems to say it is a promotional item so maybe that is why.




If your interested you can ask the sales person i talked to about it



As you noticed i am ordering directly from HP rather then a reseller

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 5 2008, 08:37 AM

I asked hp and they forwarded me to a reseller who was only selling 2465 ............ i got fedup so i asked HP again to buy from directly instead. This time they finally said their selling the 2475 Anyway my cc has been cleared so they said i have to wait for the freight forwarding company and for the standard turn around time to schedule delivery will be 14 working days.

im counting down the seconds...


My thoughts about the purchasing experience.

Their website updated the price and have a look for reseller to buy from. The link to buy is useless since their manually asking you to look for the reseller which may or may not have stock of it.

Also their online shop wasn't update selling the 2475 .....

Alternatively i tried calling direct sales but they had no clue about the 2475. They just say they aren't selling it :confused:

I then mailed before sales enquiries and you can select either buy direct from hp or buy from reseller. Anyway i finally select hp and they finally quoted the actual 2475 i was looking for.

Imho they need a little more communication between the departments so that all depts know when 2475 is being sold and availability rather then oh not being sold when in fact they are .........