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The HP is better ....


Hazro HZ26Wi
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz26wi.htm


HP LP2475W
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm



Hazro has the lowest input lag, but it's got a glow effect .... the HP has far fewer issues that aren't even big issues at all and it's calibration potential is very good

You pay by credit card is it ? They need to verify payment before they ship to you

Mine was pretty fast. 3-4 working days.


Quenox - you should have received an email from HP with your order number and a link to their HP site to check up on your purchase status. You should enquire from the sales person you talked with if you haven't gotten it yet

The shipping company contacted me on a saturday to arrange a time for them to send it over to my house

They were suppose to come between 2-5pm but they ended up arriving at 5:50 pm ... heh

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 11 2008, 10:16 PM

Yeah she told me upon verification of payment, it will take between 7 days for shipping to be sent. They only say 7 so that you can't say they didn't meet the eta.

I would think it would arrive 1-2 days on a weekday.

Cauz i removed it from my room my hands are tired and i have a crappy digital camera so the picture won't look that good.

I wish i had a better camera so i could show off ; sigh.

My desk is quite small as well so i cannot fit 2 24'' monitors which is why i am selling in the first place

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 11 2008, 10:49 PM

I'm sorry but that doesn't make much sense to use very low resolution on a 24'' monitor. The best resolution is 1900x1200 for that size. Changing the resolution out of native resolution will make the quality drop down For a perfectionist like me that is unacceptable.

I do understand your gripe that on 1900x1200 on a 24'' the text look tiny, i also agree with you. I heard 26'' even though it is slightly bigger, but at 1900x1200 it has bigger text so easier to read then a 24'' because 26'' lcd monitors have bigger pixels so it would make reading much more comfortable.

If the 26'' text at native 1900x1200 is still no good for you, then yes you can reduce the resolution out of native by a bit so it won't impact your quality too much. Some monitors can scale out of native without too much quality loss, such as the NEC 2690 Do your research what monitor can scale out of native without much loss, also aim for 26''

A good example would be warcraft 3 that doesn't support wide screen resolutions.

However, there are tweaks to make it display in wide screen resolution like the poster above mentioned.

I don't think it's too big an issue because even playing at the standard highest resolution in WC3 it still looks good I can also tweak it too.

Besides many new games all now support wide screen. Refer to that wide screen gaming site for reviews about games wide screen support, and if none what the tweaks are

Pay a bit more and buy a PVA monitor for better picture/video quality. Im selling one >->;

yes it's true pva have higher input lag compared to TN and IPS usually.

The Dell 2408 has the most UNUSUALLY high input lag.... plz don't compare that trash with my 2405FPW one rotten apple shouldn't be construed to mean the whole barrel of apples are bad.

2405 FPW input lag does not compare to the newest 2408 lcd monitor Also it's within acceptable limits which was why i bought it as my first Lcd monitor

You can read an unbiased review of it here.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/guides/dell2405fpw.htm


There are charts all over the place, got nothing to hide buying my 2nd hand pva for those looking for something better than a tn but not the full price of a new pva should look no further then my offer which is a good one


Ben - 2405 is pva. Dell 2408 is S-PVA.

you can find different on wikipedia.



My newest monitor i bought is the rare H-IPS panel put into production in 2008 very high end premium panel like my 2405fpw was around 2 years back.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 12 2008, 09:14 PM

i was looking at the 2408 seriously till people unveiled the ridiculous input lag even for a pva.

Dell screwed up bad, thank god there came a good HP.

Credits to wonkman from Hardocp forum.



Talking about real life experience, i compare my Dell 2405 FPW PVA with my HP LP2475W H-IPS lcd monitor.

1. Viewing angles are both acceptable to me.

2. They both have adjustability such as pivot, rotate, and height adjustment. This is a very handy feature usually found on premium lcds.

3. Connectivity is good. The Dell has DVI which is pretty standard and all your need for a pc monitor. The Hp has DVI, HDMI and Display Port, even though it has the addition of the later 2, these won't be used much anytime soon unless your using PS3 which you could utilize the HDMI.

4. For gaming and movies both are acceptable.

5. Color calibration my Dell got a deltaE of lower then 3. My Hp got a deltaE score of lower then 2 which is to be expected because it's a better panel at color Both are true 8bit panels unlike TN which is 6bit using FRC.

6. Ironically my Dell has more usb ports and also has a card and flash reader on the side. Dell are famous for having these on their premium monitors. My HP has 2 USB ports on the left side facing me, and somemore below the monitor. The HP ports are fine and enough for me, but i miss the card/flash reader since it was easier to upload photos



Over all both are good, but it just got better with the HP which is the new king on the block no monitor can touch within the 24'' category and this price range



My summary.

Tn = LCD monitor on the cheap for crappy panels for people that like crappy colors, and images and very low viewing angles that make me want to puke.

IPS = Very good on all quarters. Currently they have caught up with TN in regards to contrast ratio. Mine for example has 1000:1 contrast ratio which is comparable to many main stream tn panels. Input lag is also perceptively low. Which is why IPS is the king of lcd monitors currently although it also remains the most expensive.

PVA = A middle ground between price and performance for people looking for better then a TN, but not as expensive as an IPS. I am selling my Dell 2405 FPW pva monitor for between the price of a PVA and a TN panel which is a pretty good offer. So pm me soon before it gets sold off Free calibration with ICC profile provided using my Eye One Display 2 colorimeter as a bonus


Pricings


TN < My Dell 2405 FPW < New PVA monitor such as the Dell 2408 < IPS

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 13 2008, 03:25 AM

Ayoh please lah i not trying to be rude to fellow forumer.

I just saying cannot just assume TN is just as good as IPS panels and PVA panels because it just isn't true. For example some of the prices offered to me for my PVA monitor is so ridiculously low below a tn panel, how can this be My intent was to to help educate our fellow forumer mah. I have seen an experienced first hand now TN, PVA and IPS to help give a better summary of the pros and cons of the different lcd panel types.

I hope you guys/girls don't take offence cause no ill will was intended Like our friend say, jangan kecoh hal hal sikit ni

My brother has a few TN panels but he is a professional gamer and he isn't fussy person like i am So to him as long as game has no input lag and gives an ok image, then his just fine. So what i had meant was, if you aren't fussy and want a cheap monitor that is fast for gaming then yeah get TN, as it's on the cheap.

But for those who are like me who want the best more accurate colors, with the latest inputs such as hdmi/display port, 1900x1200 native resolution and pretty much overall picture quality with only a downside of slightly more input lag compared to TN ( which isn't by much in my honest opinion and i have not noticed any impact on gaming especially on my new HP LP2475W ), then PVA or IPS would be preferable if you don't mind spending more. You stare at the monitor the most so i would say investing some in a good monitor is worth it as a hobbyist

Anyway i am glad i manage to persuade some of you to join my IPS club ^^ so just let them give you their feedback after having jumped over to IPS ok. Hopefully more will join us.


Onion-KiD - I noticed your using the Q6600 2.4ghz. Mine is the Dual Core E6600 2.4ghz by the way very good price for performance at the time i bought it. Nephiliems look good but too poor to upgrade My CPU is the limiting factor right now in my system with the index score of 5.3

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 13 2008, 06:57 PM

I recommend you go to the samsung website and look for product support for your lcd monitor.

usually they would have a guide for attaching the panel to the base. This manual should have been provided with your monitor as well .....

Uh about crt i am not too sure bro. In this day and age not many Crts being made/sold except over ebay. I would advise you get a new lcd monitor because it's more convenient. 2 years back i was also unsure about switching from crt to lcd but now i am fine with the changes Lcd technology has improved a lot. If you want cheap get TN ( not sure what model because i am not particularly interested in this segment ), or if you want better get PVA ( i heard Eizo ? make good pva monitors ), or get IPS ( the HP i have is the best performer for the price. It's cheaper then the other IPS in the 24'' category i found for me at least. )

The best way is to see the monitors in person and judge for yourself. I am not sure which shop has many good lcd monitors to look from though, maybe at lowyat ?




erxier - My dell 2405FPW was like this. You needed to give a good push to lock it on. My new Hp you slot it over the locking device. As a bonus the HP panel has a easily removable mekanism






Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD


Basically Tn panels are 6bit panels that use FRC to emulate the colors 8bit panels have. There are effects from this and could be annoying if you notice them. Also the color production isn't as good like the post above mentions. The best way is to find out what your budget is, then compare the monitors in first person and know what things to look out for such as the 3 different panel types which all have shortcomings and also pros.

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Added on September 14, 2008, 12:24 amWell i already explained myself out of courtesy, so if you want to make it personal then that is your problem. It's not my job to please anybody especially you who is a nobody I never said i was better than anybody so plz .... don't creat havok

This is a discussion about panel types so there is no reason to make it personal now do we ? or are you the real arsehole wanting to make an issue out of nothing just because people bought a better monitor then you did ?

What is wrong with copy paste ??? People only look here so easier to copy paste what. Also include source if they want to read for themselves and also giving credit to the original authors ? Even something like this you got issue ??? Get a life seriously

Your just as bad as BN who sent that reporter to lockup ISA because she reported the truth, and in this instance TN is not as good as PVA/IPS thats all. Not my problem if your unhappy and jealous if i chose to get a better monitor so you need to pick a fight


As i said, if people have a budget that is low then yes tn is a good choice however they need to keep in mind the quality their getting for it. So whatever



PS: seriously, don't take offense when people grading panels from their opinions. You act like your the inventor or something. Unlike you, i don't mind if you want trash IPS/PVA or whatever since it doesn't effect me so why should it for you If you want to keep things factual and disagree that is fine. Don't make it personal word of advise If you want to pick a fight go play counter strike or something and let the adults talk

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 14 2008, 12:46 AM

Sigh, can't careless about the critics who want to make this a personal fight Need to grow up *ignored



Not many IPS models either to be honest. The only ones that come to mind is NEC, Planar, HP, Apple, Hazro ... can't think of any after that.

Thunder Match in lowyat supposedly is a reseller for HP so maybe they have stock of the HP Lp2475W ? Not sure though since i ended up getting directly from HP.

Yep i did notice that lowyat is mostly TN, but that is expected since Tn are cheap and more widely available. Singapore SIm Lim square is way more impressive hands down


Quenox - So any updates ?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 15 2008, 01:20 PM

I tried to find the Nec 2490 in Malaysia but cannot find on website.

I then asked from NEC singapore, they said they only stock 2690 which is 26'' because the price isn't that much difference from their 24'' which they don't have stock. Besides i heard their 2690 is much better then the 2490.

What i love about the NEC 2690 is that although it is 2 years old, it has an internal lut which makes calibrating with a colorimeter a 1 press button no hassle thing. The color and image is so so so so damn good ......

Of course it has some minor issues, however i haven't really checked what they are but i heard there are some small niggles you need to check whether your ok with before you get it.


For price i think it's still more expensive compared to my newer HP Lp2475W ...... i rather get the HP imho cauz it has a newer panel, i don't notice any glows at angles, and it has the newer inputs such as hdmi and display port. furthermore the input lag is much lower then the NEC.

I cannot fully recommend NEC when HP looks so much attractive. NEC may be good though for graphics professionals maybe.




They do ??? Wow .... thx for the info i wish i knew about this earlier. I paid by credit card since i had to wait for my pay check to arrive first





Maxieos - review is here

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_lp2475w.htm


I posted a screenshot to compare the closest candidates for a gaming monitor. I wouldn't consider a 2408 but i put there so you can compare it as well



These stats just show what the monitor has, it doesn't show all the problems they have such as the crazy input lag on 2408. You may need to do some research online to check it out

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 15 2008, 07:49 PM

I don't know how much the 2409 is, but if you think the price difference is big meaning the 2409 is more worth it then yeh its alrite



The input lag on the dell is legendary. You even feel it even for non-gamers Dell released a monitor forgot which model which is a bigger size and more or less the same price and is better. I'd get that instead if u rely want a dell

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 15 2008, 11:54 PM

I never really noticed it though with the white glow at an angle

zzzz52 - I personally did not see any glow. Then again i do not have that background image to check. Personally i don't think this is much of an issue since you need to be watching from an angle to begin with, which is unlikely. My computer table is very small and i have no room to watch from an angle if i wanted to.


EngSeng - I don't think so. The image just shows one monitor with no glow and the other with glow at an angle. The NEC although is 2 years old, has an AT-TW polarizer which removes this white glow effect at an angle, and also improves contrast.

The HP although a newer H-IPS, lacks the AT-TW polarizer. All lcd monitors have a polarizer, but the one that removes the glow is called an AT-TW.

This is to be expected because the NEC is geared toward a higher end segment which is why it has very good features like AT-TW polarizer, a 12bit internal lut, and very good OSD and color calibration.

The HP on the other hand is probably the best cheap for performance H-IPS currently. I think omitting the AT-TW and the internal lut isn't too big a loss considering the price tag which was reduced to make it more affordable for the masses.

Maybe eventually such very high end features like the NEC will be available in 1-2 years time. We will just have to wait and see but till then i will enjoy my new HP.

Not my NEC lah, someone else posted.

Well it depends. I don't think there is a simpler answer that the NEC wins over all. Maybe for a graphics designer it does, but as a gamer i prefer the more improved less input lag monitor with newer inputs.

So hard to get in touch with a NEC rep to buy from Malaysia. Also it wasn't shown on the malaysian website so i went for the HP which is cheaper newer and readily available


But yeah if the angle view where you see a glow bothers you, then yeah the NEC would be better in that area. But personally i only watch head on nor have i noticed any of this glow until some other owner posted that comparison.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 16 2008, 07:52 PM