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post Jul 22 2008, 02:15 PM

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Verx,

Sorry but I'm going to sidetrack a little. I just had lunch with a friend of mine whose girlfriend is Catalan and currently resides in Barcelona. Remember we had that little discussion over whether or not Spanish pronounce the "C" as "Th"? Well his girlfriend tells me that they do so in Catalunya. Am not sure if is applies to all states in Spain but it does to Catalans. She likened it to how people in American can pronounce Los Angeles as "Los Angelese" sometimes. Just thought I'd share this with you.
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post Feb 26 2009, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(botaknet @ Feb 26 2009, 05:58 AM)
how to face my opismate tomorrow morning................arhhhhhh !!!! deeemn u lucky liver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Let's put things in perspective. Did we play a defensive game? Of course because we were playing away from home and the onus was on you to get 3 points in your own backyard given that it was a cup tie and points don't matter, only goals. Having said that we did still muster 10 shots on goal, 4 of which was on target.

Where we lucky? Pepe Reina only had 1 notable save to make the whole game so you tell me?

I don't think many Liverpool fans would have predicted a win here but I nonetheless we worked for it by fielding a hard running and mobile midfield to put pressure on your midfield. You have to admit there was some degree of overconfidence in your camp from a couple of posters yesterday.

Added on February 26, 2009, 11:22 am
QUOTE(verx @ Feb 26 2009, 09:20 AM)
What I hate though is the biased commentary throughout the match.
Which is surprising given that Andy Gray is a bluenose.

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post Feb 26 2009, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(verx @ Feb 26 2009, 11:53 AM)
I don't think we were over confident.
I wasn't talking about the team. I was referring a one or two posters yesterday to which I countered with the Nou Camp example.

QUOTE(verx @ Feb 26 2009, 11:53 AM)
I think we just don't have the personnel to break teams who park the bus like Liverpool did ytd. We are more comfortable on the counter attack. We're still in it. The away goal doesn't really count for much since we do need to score anyway to have any chance of progressing. If we fail to score once over 2 legs then we don't deserve to go through plain and simple.
Personally I'm not inclined to agree that we "parked the bus" so to speak because although we defended deep, we did try to get forward whenever we were in posession. As with other terms prior to this, I feel posters then to overuse specific terms and as it goes on, the definition of that term changes somewhat. We did break whenever we could which led to us having 4 shots on target to your 5. I'm not suggesting that our play was expansive but we did try to attack whenever we could.

That all being said, you probably have the same problem we have, in that we both find it hard to break down stubborn and well organised defences. It is the reason I've always favoured to play the first leg away from home so the home team has to come at your first, and you know exactly what to do at home. Still, the tie is far from over. Like I posted before, we beat Barca 2-1 at the Nou Camp but they won 1-0 at Anfield.
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post Feb 26 2009, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(gto87 @ Feb 26 2009, 08:03 AM)
By that I meant that your team is lack of football qualities in other word liverpool don't know how to play football. Heck if your satisfied with the result only, I can't blame you cause most of nowadays football fans love the result only (livescore guys). I didn't mean to insult anybody but that's the truth. EPL and La Liga never will be the same in one aspect, the support from the fans. You can play the same unattractive way for 10 years or more and end up getting a full support from your fans. Our type fans have different perspective about football. We wanna see our team play well and win. Attacking football is a must in Madrid. We can hire a manager that adapts defensive tactics like liverpool did and maybe manage to win the league and UCL but I can assure you that the coach will still end up getting sacked.

You have your way of thinking and me with mine.

You can laugh all you want. But I've been watching football for more than 12 years now. Maybe its not that long compare to yours, IDK, but all I know, in terms of football, your team never impresses me. That's why I said it's embarrassing. No offense~
Reason to edit: Just to say HALAMADRID~!
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By your definition I suppose you could say that we have no idea how to play football.

Suffice to say, I am not a fan of Liverpool just because of the way we play. Who wouldn't want their team to play attractive attacking football and pummel the opposition into submission, much like how we used to play? It doesn't however mean that I'll love my club any less if we don't dish out the same level of performances. Are you suggesting that when and if Real Madrid go through a number of lean years and struggle to maintain the same quality of play, that you'd stop being a fan?

For what it's worth, I for one am not laughing because I think it's a serious problem if a fan was only a fan because of how the club plays. That suggests to me that this 'fan' will not stick around when the club is struggling and to be blunt, this is the type of fan I hope Liverpool never has.

Oh yeah, no offence. Sour grapes mate. Have some dignity in defeat. Heck, it's not even over yet.
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post Feb 26 2009, 02:43 PM

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In respect to Verx, I urge you to refrain from going over the top with our comments. We do not need to indulge in name calling or hurling insults. It should be maintained as a discussion or debate if you will.
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post Feb 26 2009, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(gto87 @ Feb 26 2009, 04:00 PM)
NO visiting team will be playing attacking football? You should really know what you are saying. I give you simple examples that can prove you wrong. Bayern won 0-5 last night, if you watched Inter vs Man U you will surely know who have more control of the game, and Porto visited Madrid and netted 2 goals in a mouth watering encounter with Atletico.. I don't to go way back in history of footballing to show you the truth. I watched all of this matches and not only highlights. Liverpool is a team that played a very less amount of attacking football in champions league. Tell you what, most of nowadays english team did that and that's why all the excitement almost gone in Champions League matches. Ask any old timer and they will say the same.

Yes, you were right about robben and higuain, maybe they tried too hard so they sucked a bit. But I'm talking about the whole team and the flow of the ball when the particular team have possession. Long pass is not a must in football, ok  doh.gif .

Yes, I'm embarrassed, but I'll say it again. I'm embarrassed to loss to a side that didn't even play a proper football. We played a decent football but again, we have different perspective and thoughts on this.

So here goes again guys... 2 weeks is a long time. From what I know, Ramos won't let us down that easy. Maybe he will think about something for the next tie. There's still room for improvement for Robben, Heinze, Gago, and Pipita. It's the beauty of 2 legged matches. We get to know our opponent 1st, though it'll be hard to win, but it is absolutely absurd to say that we can't do it. Have faith, pride and dignity guys for we are Madridistas.

I'll take this loss as a blessing in disguise.
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So tell me, will you stop supporting Real Madrid if you stop playing "beatiful football"? Don't dodge the questions mate. You talk about your team showing some class on the pitch but pity you don't show the same amount of class off it.

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post Feb 27 2009, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(haruyip @ Feb 26 2009, 10:44 PM)
whenever a match is over there is an arguements
why cant some of you guys just come in here and say something like (sorry for the loss hope you guys do better next time) or something similar like that???
when you argue it will only getting stuff more heating up and it will only make the forum become more floated with hatred instead of good discussion

i know my comment over this will get alot more hate reply from you guys but..... i cant stop it....
I urge you to read all prior posts to see why the "argument" began. There was no issue until a particular poster whose nick I can't remember starting insulting us. Yes, you can do it on your own thread, but it doesn't also mean I haven't the right to defend us. I don't think you'll find me insulting your team in any of my posts.
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post Feb 27 2009, 10:55 AM

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Well I won't repeat myself and say again that I never insulted your team and was merely defending mine. If ever anyone turns up their sensitivity dial to "full" and feel that I've gone too far, please feel free to report me and have the mods deal with it.
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post Feb 27 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(verx @ Feb 27 2009, 10:59 AM)
Duke after the match some of the posts in the Liverpool thread were just as insulting. If I spent time to reply to every one of them I wouldn't have time to work laugh.gif. All I'm saying is some of us get emotional when our team loses. Sometimes it's better to just ignore. I know you want to defend your club. I feel the same way. And you know nowadays my club gets insulted and attacked left and right. I just take it on the chin cause I know better.
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I do try to practice what I preach. I did plead to our posters not to go over the top with their insults, although they were a direct result of the "debate" that occured here. I actually think that we're making a mountain out of a molehill here and it's bound to happen again, but all things have to come to an end and I hope it has in this case. Well until next week I suppose.

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post Feb 27 2009, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Reddy818 @ Feb 27 2009, 11:14 AM)
seem like some pool fans are good at insulting ppl post in here... well cant blame them...
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Same could be said for you lot so don't come in under the pretence of being angelic and all. Might I suggest you stay out of it since you weren't even involved?
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post Feb 27 2009, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(zeronehza @ Feb 27 2009, 11:17 AM)
like i have said earlier.. because they win.. tongue.gif
remember when we win over roma and other team except spanish team in last UCL campaign..
we dont even insult them right...
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I post even when we lose mind you and who the hell is insulting you? Let's keep things in context here. We are talking specifically about the last game aren't we? Who came out to suggest that we played "embarrasing" football? I'd admit that we played totally negative football when we went to the Nou Camp under Houllier but I will defend myself when I disagree. No, I'm not a yes man. No, I don't remember because I can't understand the second line of your paragraph.

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QUOTE(Reddy818 @ Feb 27 2009, 11:21 AM)
if u can, please find any post that i put that u deem insulting n show it, if no please retract ur statement.. i might not involved in both clubs, but i have the freedom to express what i think is right, no?
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No I will not retract my statement because I never accused you of posting an insulting post. I was referring to "some" Man Utd posters that insult us on our threads, just as you mentioned "some" Liverpool posters do. Are you denying this?

You have as much reason to express what you think is right but it would be wise to avoid "pot calling kettle black" like situations.

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post Feb 27 2009, 11:29 AM

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Verx,

Incidentally I'd like to apologise in advance because this has gone way out of topic.
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post Feb 27 2009, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Reddy818 @ Feb 27 2009, 11:32 AM)
so to u, if m one of man utd fans then i will be band together with those poster that have a field day gloating at pool thread when pool lost or man utd win? n posting those insulting post?
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Frankly, I don't give a crap if you are because I don't remember the names of every poster that does. Once again, my point is that while you accuse us of doing it, the same can be said for you lot.
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post Mar 11 2009, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(haruyip @ Mar 11 2009, 05:49 AM)
what i can expect now is some of those lpool fans coming down here teasing and taunting RM fans

it will happen soon and this is what i hate the most
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I personally take it as in insult that you would think that way of us. It was the farthest thing from my mind. You know what? Walking into the office, I got 2 mancs that came up to me to say, "we'll get you this Sunday". I was like, "what the hell has that to do with last night's game". Some people are just so intent on making others look bad. I don't deny that I'm wearing my Liverpool kit at work today but the rest will testify to the fact that I wear it even if we lose. The only thing on my mind was to go out with my Liverpool mates tonight to celebrate.

If you are referring to the last incident it was because someone said we were embarrasing and thus a debate eventuated in which I stated facts.

Look I'm happy with hit 4 past you yesterday and yes, there were 2 fortuitous goals but I personally have better things to do than to taunt you.
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The fact of the matter is that you struggled to deal with the tempo of the game. I don't watch many Spanish games but from what I gather the game is played at a slower and more controlled pace. Alonso had problems adapting to the pace intially because he was given more time on the ball in Spain and your team looked to face a similar problem. Raul and Higuain also received very little support. Each time they were on the ball, they were crowded out by 2 - 3 defenders. In truth, Real Madrid looked lethargic while Liverpool were the more energetic side, putting pressure on your players whenever they were on the ball. This may sound biased but it's what I saw and I don't think it is far from the truth. I hope you don't clasify this as a taunt because I think it's just plain fact. I am surprised as I expected a really strong performance from your side but it didn't happen.

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Since you seem to have selective memory let me remind you what you said. This is after all the post I was responding to, yes?

QUOTE(haruyip @ Mar 11 2009, 05:49 AM)
what i can expect now is some of those lpool fans coming down here teasing and taunting RM fans

it will happen soon and this is what i hate the most
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QUOTE(haruyip @ Mar 11 2009, 12:43 PM)
duke
i will be more happy if you can read and quote all the word that i type previously

i say i will APOLOGIZE and THANK YOU to all those liverpool fans that didnt came in RM thread taunt and tease us
this is the proplem why people always get in fight
they are too (lazy) to read all the word
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I will be more than happy if you read what you posted before going back on what you said. You may have changed your tune later but it doesn't change the fact that you implied we had nothing better to do. You are implying that is it a regular occurence but is it? As I said the last time there was a heated exchange in this thread it was sparked by a poster labelling us as being "embarassing" to football. Was it unprovoked? We haven't even played you in Europe that many times so what makes you think it is a regular thing for Livepool fans to take the piss on your thread and taunt you? Why are you stereotyping us? If you did not mean what you originally said, your apology would have been in the same post. Incidentally I don't clasify this as a "fight", just a discussion. Not every little disagreement should be viewed as a "fight".

Verx,

Happy as I am with the win, I really did expect a much tighter game. There was very little support from the flanks because as you say certain players didn't turn up i.e. Robben. Pepe and Cannavaro were both really stretched but this could have been due to Gago having to push up the park.

On a separate note, I'm suprised Blatter chose to isolate English clubs when he spoke off there not being an English element to the clubs. We fielded only two English players, three if you consider that Spearing came on late in the game but Real Madrid only fielded three Spanish players as well to my recollection (Raul, Casillas & Sergio Ramos).

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Didn't think this bit should go unnoticed. It was an observation made by a Liverpool fan at the game.

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I must say I though Iker Casillas in the Madrid goal was a class act, maybe Jerzy primed him, but when he came to the Kop end in the 2nd half he applauded us and you don't get that very often nowadays.  And he pulled off some stunning saves.   And the Madrid fans to a man gave Steven Gerrard a standing ovation as he left the field, add to that they joined in the scarf waving with the whole of the ground after the 4th goal.   Real were outclassed, but in someways proved they are a class club.


I personally think this was a nice touch and a great showing of sportsmanship.

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QUOTE(haruyip @ Mar 11 2009, 08:01 PM)
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didnt i told you to read ???
Already covered that. Live in the present. Yes, using 3 question marks does make your question more relevant.

Oxigen,

That is the thing I admired most about the night, that after the final whistle, differences are put aside. The same display of sportsmanship was displayed when Barcelona visited two seasons ago.

I don't claim to know alot about Real Madrid but one observations that sticks out is how frequent you change managers. Not since the 70's have you had a manager who has been in charge for more than 3 seasons with the exceptino of Del Bosque. I'm an advocate of the fact that you need to give a manager time to build a team and to get them playing the way he wants them to. It must be intimidating for any new boss to come in knowing that he's probably got only 1 season to prove himself. He must think to himself, "what is the quickest way to success?". One answer that sticks out is to buy big name players and hope that these bunch of individuals can work together as a team in the short time they will be given together. If that doesn't work, in with a new gaffer and the whole process repeats itelf. Like I said, I don't claim to understand why this happens but my opinion is that there is too much impatience amongst the board.
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QUOTE(verx @ Mar 12 2009, 10:36 AM)
It's not just a Real Madrid thing. It's a Spanish thing. There are a few exceptions of course. And to be honest I don't really buy it as an excuse seeing as we have won our league twice in a row whereas you guys are still looking for that elusive league title.
The difference being that in England, you know how mega-rich industrialists coming in and pumping huge amounts of money into the clubs. Would you say that the disparity of transfer funds available between Barcelona, Real Madrid and perhaps Valencia is similar to that between Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and the rest of the league? Clubs like Sunderland and Manchester City splurged on new signings last season but fell short only when it came to appeal. Would it be fair for me to suggest that if one were to have more transfer funds available in Spain, he would stand a higher chance of winning the league, than a club in England? As I did mention Sunderland and Man City both splurged but look where they are. What makes it difficult for us to win the league is that while we are relative big spenders alone, we cannot yet compete with some of the others. Unlike Man City for example, we need to sell players to buy players.
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QUOTE(melt @ Mar 12 2009, 04:53 PM)
Well I have been there for 5 Years and I dont see any problem that you have mention...  whistling.gif

Are you sure your father when to Anfield or did he went to places with pubs or clubs which is no where near Anfield. When did your father when to Liverpool?

After the game you wont see ppl making any trouble near Anfield as police are all around the stadium. If anyone making funny stuff you will be expected to be in the jail for at least a night....  smile.gif

The only times that ppl creating havoc is during the CL final which is against Milan when we won it. The street is full with crazy ppl. You can see all kind of weird stuff....  laugh.gif
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I never saw nor did I hear of such things either but then again I've only been there once, but my friend who studied there during the days of the standing cop didn't see it either. Hmm sounds like something the rag would say.
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