after going through the 1st few pages of this thread....i hereby declare that i shall flash my dd-wrt to tomato victek when i get home from work later.

dd-wrt v23sp2 has served me well, but i really need my QoS to work now as i have 6 family members at home using the internet connection and im in dire need of a way to restrict certain traffic so that everyone can enjoy the internet.

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Added on December 9, 2009, 11:53 amHi all,

i've finally moved to Victek's Tomato. first of all, i'd like to say a great big thank you to Victek. your tomato mod is awesome!!! my router is much more responsive now. with over 50% RAM left and CPU at decent levels. compared to when i was running dd-wrt v23 sp2 (10% RAM left, sometimes less and CPU around 40%)

anyways, i've configured most of the stuffs, the QoS most importantly and it's running pretty good. i'm planning to try out the "IP/MAC BW Limiter" function and was hoping someone or maybe Victek himself can help point me to the right direction.

so here goes:
my DL speed is around 1500kbps and upload is around 384kbps. i have 6 active users at home, and i was thinking to set DL rate and UL rate for each user to around 150/40 so that each user will get this guaranteed bandwidth. and for the ceiling rate, i can set it to max so that they can utilise more if there is spare. is this setting logical/feasible?

will this also work hand-in-hand with the QoS settings? so that if user1 is bt-ing, and no one else is using the bw, he will be able to use the ceiling rate configured in "BW Limiter". but as soon as user2 is having a VoIP session, QoS will come into place and knock user1's bt down, but user1 will still be able to maintain at least a minimum of 150kbps for his bt as set at "BW Limiter".

This post has been edited by red-queen: Dec 9 2009, 11:53 AM

but if you just set ip/mac bw limiter, it's not efficient enough. with QoS you can prioritize what traffic is important and what is not.

a good example will be my household internet activity. if i were to just set a minimum level limit and a high level limit for everyone in the house, whoever that i set to be of higher priority will start hogging the bandwidth irregardless of what the traffic is. if i set everyone to be equal priority, everyone will get the minimum, then for the higher level limit it'll be a free for all contest. not efficient if someone is running VoIP or for example, me trying to VPN to office for work. Hence i need QoS to prioritize my traffic base on the traffic content rather than on user. this is the main reason for QoS in the first place and it's really important for environment where you have too many users with a sucky connection.

if i can have broadband speed like in korea, i'll just average out the bandwidth and everyone gets a big chunk and won't even need QoS but in Maraysia, our fastest is what? 4Mbps?

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Added on December 10, 2009, 2:23 amwas configuring my router's QoS and was done with it. decided to reboot the router.

Bad move.....my WRT54GL of 5 years is now officially bricked

no heartbeat or whatsoever. power light keeps flashing. the ethernet and the internet lights stay permanently on even without any cables plugged in.

This post has been edited by red-queen: Dec 10 2009, 02:23 AM

type victek tomato on google.com

you can configure it via GUI under IP/MAC BW Limiter.

just put the ip, then you can set the amount of udp and tcp connections for this specific ip.

or if you want via script.

iptables -I FORWARD -m iprange --src-range 192.168.1.3-192.168.1.10 -p ! tcp -m connlimit --connlimit-above 600 -j DROP

or

iptables -I FORWARD -s 192.168.1.3 -p !tcp -m connlimit --connlimit-above 600 -j DROP

hi there,

i'll try my very best and hopefully will be able to help you as i actually have the same scenario as yours but the only difference is that i'm running on 1Mbps streamyx instead of 4Mbps so lets begin

what i did was to make use of both IP/MAC bw limiter + QoS. and in order for QoS to perform properly, you have to limit your bandwidth to AT LEAST 85% of your usable bandwidth. This is where most ppl make mistake and try to set a higher limit. put it this way, if your link is overloaded, QoS goes out the window so you might as well not configure QoS. if your speed test shows that you have a maximum of 3.5Mbps, you need to set your download limit to 3Mbps. what's important is also your upload limit as it will indirectly affect your download speed. so go do a speed test for your upload as well and find out what is the 85% value of it. so make sure you have this 2 figures. if you want to read up more on why the 85% limit on your usable bandwidth is so important when configuring QoS, you can read it here

So for the configuration examples, we assume that your 85% for download=3000kbps, upload=435kbps. (please do a speed test and calculate your real 85%. the figure that i use here is just an estimation)

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IP/MAC bw limiter configuration:
1. configure static ip for each pc as well as arp binding so that the users won't be able to try to sneak pass your policy's by changing to a different ip.
2. configure the download and upload bandwidth with the 85% value.
3. configure each ip at the ip/mac limiter with each ip having a dl rate of (3000/6=500kbps), dl ceiling of 3000kbps, upload rate of (435/6=72kbps), upload ceiling of 435. priority is up to you whether you want to set it or not. tcp and udp connection limit i leave it alone as well, never set any for it.

So what you have achieved here is exactly like what you mentioned. when all 6 users are using the link at full bandwidth, automatically the router will give everyone the guaranteed bandwidth which is download=(3000kbps/6) and upload=(435/6). if less users are using it and more bandwidth is available, then users will get the extra bandwidth and the maximum bandwidth a user can get will be 3000kbps. in another words, a users bandwidth is guaranteed to be AT LEAST 500kbps till a maximum of 3000kbps. what you have eliminated here is that a single user hogs all the bandwidth till other users can't do shit.

Secondly, we're going to configure QoS as not only we want to make sure the bandwidth allocation is good. we also would like to prioritize traffic right? for example, games will always be infront of the que, and torrent/xunlei or any p2p downloads will have the lowest priority and should therefore give way. so this is what QoS can help to accomplish.

QoS configuration:
1. configure the 85% download and upload limit in your QoS basic configuration. uncheck ACK priority. set the default class to lowest.
2. configure the appropriate bandwidth percentage for each class in upload and download section.
3. configure the classification so that your important traffic has the highest priority. don't worry about your p2p downloads as they will automatically fall under the default class which is lowest, because they won't match any of your important traffic class. please don't try to catch p2p traffic using the classification because you'll have a higher chance to strike jackpot in genting than trying to catch all p2p traffic. hence it's easier to configure only the important ones and leave the rest to default lowest class.
4. i usually use ports to match my classification as it's easier since most important applications have known ports. so for example if you play dota, we know its port 6110-6119. so configure dst port 6110-6119, for both TCP/UDP. and set it to highest priority.

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So there you go, you have your QoS and bandwidth allocation configured. play around and tweak your QoS classification and percentage settings for each class to suit your needs. double check and make sure that all your important ports are configured and you're good to go

This post has been edited by red-queen: Dec 17 2009, 11:00 PM

yeahh, the above is just an example....so feel free to configure as many ports for as many services that you deem important.

Set ur modem in bridge mode and configure ur router to dial then. What's the issue here?

anyways, if im not mistaken ur network architecture shud be like this.

Modem
|
Your PC
|
WRT54GL
|
Other PC's


Your QoS will only work behind your WRT54GL. so you won't get QoS but other pc's will get QoS-ed.

I find it very very strange as to why you use your Rigor modem to use PPPoE and dial? you can actually set your Rigor modem to bridge mode, and then configure your WRT54GL to be PPPoE and dial. so your network architecture will be like this instead:

Modem
|
WRT54GL
|
Your PC and Other PC's.


Please revise your network architecture and i believe everything will be ok. Modem = Bridge mode, WRT54GL = PPPoE. not use your pc to be the dialer for PPPoE.

anyways, i think this is not the thread to discuss your PPPoE or bridge mode connection issue's as this has nothing to do with Victek's Tomato firmware.

maybe you can try at the appropriate threads.



This post has been edited by red-queen: Dec 18 2009, 06:23 PM

base on ur screenshot. you can see the part caleld

Prioritize small packets with these control flags. then uncheck ACK.

anyways, if you're using polarclouds tomato, then you'll have to go linksysinfo info for tomato and find out more as it's totally wrong thread already to post it here

i'm glad you manage to fix your pppoe issue.

the link is up. i jsut checked.

would advice you to switch back to default firmware then only flash to victek.

i have no experience whatsoever flashing from polar to victek. perhaps you can search on linksysinfo.org for info.

ok, congrats on flashing to victek's.

for your ARP binding, you haven't finish your configuration.

you need to specify the MAC to ip address. you only check ARP binding, the below part you nver fill in the info?

also for the IP/MAC bw limiter.......your upload bandwidth you set 300kbps. but how come your upload ceiling you set 400kbps?

This post has been edited by red-queen: Dec 19 2009, 05:02 PM

alright, your IP/MAC bw limiter is done right. you are all set there. now you just need to set the ARP binding.

go to each of those ip's and type ipconfig/all in command prompt to get their MAC address. and then fill it in the ARP binding page accordingly.

so for example, if you go to PC-192.168.1.102 and type ipconfig/all, get it's MAC address. then in the arp binding, put the MAC address and tie it to 192.168.1.102

ipconfig/all - the physical address is the mac address, replace the - with :
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Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetLink ™ Gigabit Ethernet
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1F-29-8D-F2-39
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as for the QoS if you leave it as it is, it will work fine already. i cannot really tell you how to configure your classification as you need to configure it to your needs and it takes time to improve on it.

until today, i'm still tweaking my QoS settings to further improve. you just gotta read and search on google more. gotta really understand what QoS is and what does the settings do. else i'll advise you to leave it as it is.

maybe one thing u can change is the Bulk Data class under classification. i think by default it is low? maybe you can set it to lowest. then under QoS basic settings, you can set your outgoing lowest class to 5%-60%. or, you can choose to remove the whole bulk data classifcation and it will be automatically classed under default which is lowest.

anyways, i'll put my settings for your reference but as i mentioned. you must go read up more and fine tune it for your environment. and also you can refer to prasys's guide as i used that when i first started off. then later fine tune.

http://prasys.co.cc/2008/08/how-to-configu...irmware-part-1/
http://prasys.co.cc/2008/08/how-to-configu...irmware-part-2/

Basic Settings:


Classification:


from my classification you can see that DNS i've set to highest. i've also set my HoN game to highest. follow by normal HTTP/HTTPS traffic which is less than 512KB will be high. any HTTP/HTTPS which is higher than 10MB is low. then any other traffic from port 1-1024 will be medium which also means any HTTP/HTTPS traffic from 513KB till 10239KB will be medium.

so any other traffic that does't get caught by my classification will by default go to lowest like torrents, p2p and what not.

This post has been edited by red-queen: Dec 20 2009, 12:13 PM

Yes, qos only manages outbound traffic, because ur router cannot control what comes in only the isp can control that. So yah, you control it by using the ip/mac bw limiter. And when qos controls ur outbound, it indirectly controls ur inbound to. I've already gave you the link where you can read up more on qos in linksysinfo.org please go read it. No offence, But you're starting to make me feel like i'm spoon feeding you. So please go read that link that I've shared.

For the classification u just need to set dst port cause most of the time u'll be the client and ur connecting to a server at a dst port. You'll only use a src port if you know that ur pc will use this specific port to go out.

as for why when u stream ur web browsing is slower. So you'll need to set ur qos properly. Make sure your streaming gets caught and puts it at the lowest. Then set your http web browsing to highest.

if your existing WRT54G v5 can use dd-wrt, then you can use tomato. no need to purposely go buy a WRT54GL, save your money. the reason why QoS in dd-wrt feels like it's not working is because it's broken the only dd-wrt which QoS works i the paid version if im not mistaken. thats the main reason why i changed to tomato where the QoS actually works.


like cosmiqeddie mentioned. 500kbps is the guaranteed bandwidth, ceiling is at 3000kbps. when nobody is using, the max available bandwidth is 3000kbps.

feel free to ask whatever that you don't understand after reading and i will try my very best to help.

if i were you, i'd leave the conntrack/netfilter settings alone. the conntrack settings is to configure the max amount of simultaneous tcp connections. what makes 3rd party firmware like dd-wrt, tomato, etc so great is that we can increase the max simultaneous tcp connections. in other routers, the max limit is very low. hence when you download via torrent, it creates so many tcp connections your router gets stuck. the conntrack also allows you to configure the timeout of the tcp and udp connections. for me, the default settings work great.

as for your ppstream, it's running on port 80 and since your port 80 traffic is on high priority, hence your ppstream is getting the same QoS as your web surfing and your game and what not. thats why you still feel lag. best is to change your ppstream and your torrents to other ports. so if the port doesn't match any of your important ports, it will fall into default lowest.

as for xunlei, im not sure what kinda port or traffic it uses as i don't really know how it works. maybe you can get those who use xunlei to give you better insight. i use utorrent and i configure it to use a specific src port from my pc, and the traffic it generates uses random ports from 1025-65535. so automatically, it will fall under default as you can see in my QoS classification i only match what is important. my http, dns, my game, and daemon ports.

u are most welcome.

well personally, i think that victek's tomato is awesome. lightweight, no nonsense, everything that i need and it works

i'm not using xunlei though. i'm using utorrent to download. and ever since i flashed to victek's tomato, my utorrent downloads are left to download. my bro and i can still play HoN with no lag. when i click on QoS vie graph i can see that my HoN is highest and my torrents are lowest. no lag or whatsoever.

so far no one complains lag though. but HoN works differently from dota. when anyone hosts a HoN game, it gets hosted on a server. unlike dota, when you host the game, you are the server.

i can browse the web, play HoN, download torernt all at the same time. and i can see my torrent speed get knock down when i'm doing something else. when i stop everything, torrent goes to full speed.

congrats and welcome aboard

As for your configuration, to my knowledge, it's not do-able. you can only set the known MAC to have the limit. and for every other MAC, its either you limit them to no bandwidth at all or either full bandwidth by checking "Limit unlisted machines" in ARP Binding. anyways, here is the IP/MAC BW Limiter user manual

If IP/MAC BW Limiter cannot help you achieve what you want. maybe you could try using Access Restrictions instead? just a thought though...let us know how it goes.

check at the bottom of your router. there is a sticker that will show you what version your linksys is.

to find out the supported hardware, please refer to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Tomato_%28fir...s_and_revisions

it's also listed down in the first page. please search before asking.

if you know the supported model, then why ask if wrt54g2 can support? hence i answered you, it's stated in the 1st page.

as for how to find out the model and version you are buying. you gotta ask the shop person and if im not mistaken, you can check it on the box, as well as the sticker below the router.

yewps, go with WRT54GL if you want to be sure. definitely can work.

if you are from pj/kl area. you can try lowyat compuzone. RM200

All IT hypermart in Seksyen 14 Digital Mall also have it. RM210