I'm sure i'm not over sensitive as I've asked several ppl to test it out for me.

erm... the jerk will be very noticeable on bumper to bumper jam...not highway cruising.

Both proton & renautech aware of this problem and called it AMT jerk. So i'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

RON92 should be fine on Savvy.... But not on major proton cars such as those equipped with Mitsubishi & campro series of engines

I din use it as my company only pay for RON97 & diesels.

But there's some ppl i know feed their savvy with RON92 and no significant performance drop nor operational problems.

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Added on October 2, 2008, 8:47 am..SAVOC a? I;m not active member over there.....

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for the timing retarding, it'll also have a minimum threshold as a limit. so some engine especially with high compression have to use at least Ron95 premium fuel....

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Added on October 2, 2008, 10:41 pmmost of the auto light warning cases are due to wiring faults & not component failure.... FYI Renault is known to have higher electronic failure compared to other brands. Proton did their best to improve the situation and of course....accident still happened. My car is retained at 1st service for 2 week because they detected an impending failure in the AMT system and changed my wirings.

However, while it's not a very serious problem, my car still suffer from AMT jerk & it's almost certain to be caused by the brake switch & "seasonal" AMT light warning & the error shown is something like "wiring earthed/disconnected"....

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 2 2008, 10:41 PM

Wiring fault is a general terms. You need to look at the nature of the fault to derive them in details and most of the cases are unique to the car and not to others. They might have a combination of what you mentioned.

What assurance do you want...? even VW DSG gearbox will have firmware problem that yet to be solve, dude.

According to one of the technical person in Proton on the Proton Open day, he mentioned that the occurrences of AMT failure is not high enough to trigger alarm. They even confidently said that the savvy's electronic fault is less compared to Renault itself.....

Talking about recall, they also mentioned that most of the recall is due to a design flaw and they might put the driver to great danger while AMT & other similar common problem does not pose a immanent danger when the fault occurred.

Auto light on is not dreaded to most of us as the auto warning light is just a warning and the car mostly still can be driven without any problem like how most of the ppl treat the engine check light(of course...I treat them seriously...My last gearbox light on is due to a weird reason..."TDC sensor voltage too high" for a few second... ). An alarming situation should be engine STOP light, engine warning light, electrical fault & AMT light lit altogether.... then you can feel the fear (and I never heard of it yet, but it's documented in the manual that in this situation, engine won't rev beyond 2000RPM).

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 6 2008, 08:28 PM

Hi raynman,

I do not know if they're misleading as far as my concern, wiring fault is also categorized under electronic fault. Sorry if i mentioned as wiring fault on my previous post.

I tot proton provided a 5yrs warranty...what else do you need? how about a lifetime warranty from proton for the electronics? We may start a petition although most likely they will be ignored... such as petition signed to some other car manufacturer....

About the AMT light warning, I do have a different perception on it as most of the time when I got this error and drive to the SC, they always tell me that it's either there's a short circuit or engine sensor problem. They're erased and same error did not occur again.

Except there's a case that my brake switch faulty and after some revisit they finally found the problem where the brake pedal is actually causing the fault.In this case AMT light blink once only every few weeks.

I also had a case where temp sensor faulty & falsely showing the engine temp is overheating. In this case, no error was shown.

But for both cases, they still running perfectly for weeks even with such problems.

That's why for me, AMT warning light is nothing to be dreaded about. of course I cannot convince you that my POV is correct.

For the same reason, isn't that you also shouldn't keep on giving an impression that Savvy is having a major design flaw?

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Added on October 8, 2008, 4:25 pmThe campro's maintainance also not that cheap o~!

The Saga's advantage is using a cheaper part price, cheaper gearoil and less engine oil compared to Savvy....

But if Saga breakdown....hoho...FYI 4 pencil coil for Campro IAFM cost more than RM1K...Just for an example....

If I were given a choice, I'll go for Saga as it's using campro engine. I'm very satisfied with my Gen.2's engine performance & silence so far.

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 8 2008, 04:31 PM

You really gave me such impression until your reply above. thanks for clearing that out.

But I also quite disagree for low quality as Proton Savvy are undergone a TUV certification process and AFAIK that covers part supplier/vendor....

May I know where can I get the source for things like warranty claim or major repair statistics for Proton Savvy?

I would also like to know the design flaw for the Campro engine as I'm also a Gen.2 owner for now and frankly speaks, it never gave me any fault, FC nor performance issue so far except there's a time that the Lambda sensor contaminated. Thanks.

I'm suspecting the brake switch related problem as this happened to my car as well. If this is true the car might also experience sporadic jerk at 20km/h on 2nd gear.......

The solution for my car is to change the brake pedal.... No problem for now.

For proton cars, whenever the warning light is on or lit, the problem should properly registered to the ECU and can be retrieved by using Proton Diagnostic Tools.

Try also not to depress the brake when you turn the key to ON position (No problem when you start the engine).

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Added on October 9, 2008, 8:44 pm....This is not even a design flaw for me as if it is it'll certainly hit major of Campro owners....this is more like a manufacturing problem on batches...Like Proton Wira's bonnet problem....

If to mention as a defect than something like this should happened:-

http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html

AFAIK TUV certification did not work this way.....

My company's TUV certification is valid until major component vendor are changed....

I dunno IF proton did that for the beloved Savvy.....

thanks for sharing the story BTW. Learned a new campro issue.

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 9 2008, 08:44 PM

...or maybe I have problem to understand english.... perhaps?

Proton should be accountable for the design flaw once they use the component in their product. This is very clear of that and also mentioned by proton R&D techies....

After read the broken campro story, I also wondered if I'm the nex victim as my car are now 90k km & I'm also a very spirited driver....before the petrol rise to RM2.70.....

Well....Just went through the google & found that broken crankshaft happens on other cars as well...

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 9 2008, 09:24 PM

Even if the hv record, they won't claim for you once warranty over...u know la...standard practice to make money.

。。。。。。if that's the case, I would really like to know what kind of TUV certification they're using

our company's case is that we're allowed to have revision upgrade but source of part must be certified.....but IMO TUV means nothing actually, TUV certified thing still prone to be defective...

ah, all proton engine rocks.

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Added on October 10, 2008, 5:41 amthey're not wet clutch....they're torque converters & do not called a clutch as there's no physical contact involved when transferring power to gearbox.

I think torque converter will still be around for normal sedan as they do have their specific advantage over clutch system.

But of course, performance model will eventually mode to Dual sequential gearbox.... so called DSG like what used in Nissan GT-R R35 & golf....which some of them require frequent firmware upgrade.

I changed my brake pedal assembly to solve my brake switch problem which caused AMT jerk as mentioned on my car.... The jerk is still there IF I turn the key to ON while fully depressing the brake.....

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 10 2008, 05:44 AM

In technical terms that I know, anything transfer power by utilizing friction is called a clutch. But Torque converter is transfer power by utilizing hydraulic...

Wet clutch usually refer to ....Honda Cub punya clutch system lo, rendam dlm minyak itam punya.

I drive without releasing the accelerator.....My car did not jerk when changing gear so I'm not concern about that.

who's Pil Ko-Lin?

With correct driving attitude, it's possible to get that mileage at that speed for any car below 1800cc. hahaha

Plotong finally called me up for AMT inspection for my AMT jerk problem.

Now the car sleeping nicely @ Plotong Dealer for an operation to replace "something"...I think it's the Made In Italy pump.....

extended backup car? I still got another car to drive ma.... the one with "seriously flawed" campro.

How much is your clock? if u feel your car lack of power as well maybe it's time for you to perform engine tuning....

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Added on October 15, 2008, 2:22 pm....there're a lot of user report no problems on their AMT also ma.....

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.....I have several friends in some other forums which they've had their AMT car clocked somewhere 120k km and still never give them ANY issues (or they're just subconsciously ignored the issues...who knows....)

Now while I've known how to contained my AMT problem, new problems comes up.....

My wiper if I leave it at INT mode for an extended period it'll stop automatically. When it stops the wash will not trigger the wiper as well. It'll work once the wiper stalk is moved to other position....

Preliminary examination shows timer relay is working perfectly. this is YET another intermitten problem for my Savvy.....

stick to the setting if u visit petrol station frequently.

The only reason for over inflate the tires is for storage purpose as tires loss pressure overtime....

changing the oil doesn't help in my situation for jerking or gear change noise. especially the intermittent jerk on 2nd gear@20km/h.

The oil is ELF renauMATIc D3 syn and can be brought from plotong for RM125 or outside sparepart shop for RM75......

It won't void your warranty as it is stated in the manual to use it or equivalent (which is plotong D3 ATF lo....)

The only real obvious benefit is the elf oil is a lifetime oil while other equivalent (plotong D3 ATF lo...) need to be changed at 30000km interval....

only highline ot airbag & ABS....

while all cars comes with fortified chassis & seatbelts

....it's no Saga.... so no.....