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Lucifer96
post Jun 20 2008, 02:41 PM

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Pampering locks? Have you played one? They're the ones that get shoved in the ass the most!
Apart from shammy of course, but at least that's getting fixed. hmm.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 02:44 PM)
according to the stats kalgan himself provided, obviously not.
they are 2nd to 4th placed on avg as most played/successful class in arenas, and in pve, 1 button spamming and topping dps isnt enough pampering?
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Take that same number, tell me how many of them are being shoved into the sl/sl stereotype?
If you're talking about demonic sacc/shadow n flame build, I can assure you that locks won't be top dps unless there's a good amount of them in raid (usually 3 and beyond to take have a permanent Improved Shadow Bolt bonus on perpetuity) . 1 button? How many buttons does a rogue use? Mage? Hunter? What are you? A loltard in PVE?

But I guess warlocks get picked a lot cause they look kinda cool flex.gif
Good warlocks are hard to find. Bad ones are aplenty.
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post Jun 20 2008, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 03:28 PM)
-what about the paladins being shoved to holy stereotype?, what about the 17/0/44 mages that are forced to go 17 arcane for the 2 points in imp counterspell where warlocks get it for free? what about the priest that wants to play shadow spec but cant do it cuz its not viable?
i could go on for all 8 classes minus warlocks but you get the idea.

- most raids/guilds bring around or more than 3 locks, and most dmg meters/WWS posted do infact have locks amongst the top, they may or may not be #1, but spamming mostly shadow bolts as opposed to ss > snd/rupture cycles (omg 3 buttons) rogues, i think it speaks for itself.
maybe ur the loltard that cant spam that one button?

- just like good warlocks are hard to find, every class are the same. 1 button or not.
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smile.gif Hence the reference to population on the people that actually PLAY warlock on the pve/pvp aspect. There's already a good amount of people playing warlock, and SL/SL's popular because well.. it works. The ONLY one that works.

Not all raids bring more than 3 locks into raid. My guild have 6 warlocks, 4 that are competent, 2 every raid and they've their own rotations, and no, they'll have to actually use more than 3 buttons OMG! Play the class before commenting next time. Raid composition are based on the boss encounter, decided by raid leader. Have you ever raid?

I'll have to agree on that last one. But no, warlocks are harder class to master than you think.
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post Jun 20 2008, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(Aggroboy @ Jun 20 2008, 03:42 PM)
Eh don't get offended or anything ah shocking.gif but PVE lock is easy. DS succubus and spam one shadowbolt button nonstop. At least melees got skill rotations and timings.

Arena PvP lock on the other hand... I really respect them laugh.gif Managing curses, CCing, focus CS, manage pet, kite the @#$% melee. Applying lube and vaseline after 10 cleave teams in a row.
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Got rotation de... wanted Quaz to find out for himself, but it's still worth it for their DPS to include corruption and/or curse of doom into their spell rotation. But that's just on the fly. Most are too lazy to do it and just sb till they hope to see iSB bonus, hit till it drop. I run demo though. Most but warlocks can run all 3 of their trees for raid, afflict, demon, ds/snf. Which is ... good in some sense.

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post Jun 20 2008, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 03:49 PM)
- SL/SL is definitely not the only spec that works. the much hyped BG9 even got a UA lock as #1 5v5 for some time.(where cleave teams rule)

- sure, every class definitely press more than 1-3 button, but at the end of the day for the huge majority of the time locks only press 1 (shadowbolt), rogues press 3 (ss > snd/rupture)for example. doesnt need one to play a specific class before knowing what a class does when information is so widely attainable. and yea, perhaps ive never raided, you just happen to know it right? (hint: you can lurk moar on my posts to find out if i do raid at all or not)

- like warlocks, every single 9 class be it pve or pvp is hard to master, like it or not. locks arent any special. its just the way how blizz implement in most if not all their games - easy to learn, hard to master.
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Check out the number of sl/sl running around before answering that one. A mass number of dumb people running with it constitute how 'successful' with it. tongue.gif
Refer for my previous post on that question. From the answers, I already knew. Otherwise your level of raid understanding wouldn't be this depressingly low.
Not really on that last statement. I've 5 70s, with a tank warrior coming up on her 60s (I'm tanking my way up for rep grind). I raid to at least T5 level on 4, consistently farm T6 on my last toon, I would say, no. The learning curves for the classes are not the same.
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post Jun 20 2008, 04:37 PM

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Yeah... so how much do you PvE?
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post Jun 20 2008, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 20 2008, 04:39 PM)
i did asked you to lurk moar didnt i?
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... I dont' know about you, if these few threads I read are of any indication of what you post, no, I don't intend to go through that big amount of thrash to answer my curiosity.
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post Jun 20 2008, 06:08 PM

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I don't know about you Mike, but I've found the thread to get mildly amusing after the questioning on his PvE credentials started.. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 09:43 PM

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Hence give your opinion on something that you understand. Instead of making a fool out of yourself on something that you don't.
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post Jun 20 2008, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jun 20 2008, 10:34 PM)
tell me what i dont understand? smile.gif
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Sorry not you smile.gif
But yeah, warlock was thought to be easymode for most, that's why there's a lot that rolls it.
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post Jun 21 2008, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 21 2008, 01:17 AM)
whats the fun then? if you wanna talk pvp against me its a no brainer lopsided outcome.

might as well make it interesting.

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Then leave the PvE to those slightly more ... umm.. qualified, instead of dumbing it down with your words? I dont' know about your PvP credentials, but that's not for me to judge.


Added on June 21, 2008, 11:06 am
QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Jun 21 2008, 01:22 AM)
NO, i will say delete warlock please, or buff arcane blast damage biggrin.gif

or well, at least give some better set bonus, such as

2piecet5 become +20% bonus on damage for arcane blast (without +20% mana cost)
2piecet6 become evocation reduce half of the casting time

that will make me happier abit

lol
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Fear have been nerfed almost every other patch, and they're still not 'fixed' as most other classes claim.
Arcane trees can hold up to their own in terms of DPS. I don't really know what's there to buff in PvE context, but then again, I suck at being a mage :S My 70 mage's stuck at picking up flowers on her epic flyer..

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post Jun 21 2008, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 21 2008, 04:09 PM)
as i said, that wouldnt be interesting at all wouldnt it? if your so offended of me dumbing down pve, why not try it against me in pvp? im all in for it
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smile.gif I don't PvP, so I won't give advices or comment on it. Ask some questions perhaps, but not to what you're doing on these PvE discussions.

Hats on how you stand on removing warlock class on it's entirety though...

 

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