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DannyOP
post Dec 25 2008, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Dec 25 2008, 01:47 PM)
1.  In my humble opinion, it's never about the location.  Remember that.  And it's never about timing or mid 2009! hahahaha.  But, I'm glad the majority of people don't think the way I do! works in my favour! For further, details - that's another long post and a story for a different day.  Or maybe, i'm just teasing a little? smile.gif

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I agree on this, it's not about timing but opportunity just that there will be more oppurtunities during bad times, not only recession but also circumstances like bad divorce cases or an unexpected turn of events that force an owner to sell his property well below the market. The next useful questions are, how be in the midst of opportunities like these and who are the right people to inform you of these opportunities? smile.gif

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post Dec 26 2008, 01:33 AM

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There're a few units of Times Square studio left at RM350-380k, rental supposedly RM2500-3000 pm. Is this considered ok?
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post Dec 26 2008, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Dec 26 2008, 03:34 AM)
Hi Looqs and everyone,

Merry Christmas, by the way! and to all the other members of this forum too.

Was out having a teh tarik discussion with some friends....Always the common topic - how to make more money! haha smile.gif

I'll attempt to answer your queries.  Nevertheless, please do correct me if I'm wrong.  Again, this is only my analysis of the situation because areas like Mt Kiara are out of my target areas. 

1.  On a macro scale - our secondary market is in trouble.  I'm a retired banker, and have many friends still in banking.  Banks have tightened their credit policies......It is a fact.  CIMB Bank used to do 1 billion in approved sales per month.  Today, it has dropped by more than 50%.  Some banks have also tightened their MOF to 70%! That's downright draconian.  My prediction - risk based pricing will become an industry norm soon.  If your CCRIS is less than ideal, if you're from a young age group, etc. - be prepared to pay a higher risk premium for your financing.  Board rates will be a thing of the past.   

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Just did a few cases of refinancing the past week or so. As we are a mortgage broker (panel includes local & foreign banks), we had some interesting outcome and yes you are right there is no fixed rate for everyone. It all depends on each indvidual and property circumstance :-

1. Case 1 - RM2 million loan. Applicant is a co. director for 3 public listed companies. Monthly repayment is only 2% of the director's income. Loan approved = BLR - 2.5%

2. Case 2 - RM200k refinance. Applicant is a manager and montly repayment is approx 25% of monthly income. Loan approved = BLR - 1.85% (still waiting on other banks results)

As a banker's perspective, do you agree with the outcome?

Average approved loans is RM20 million a day, so it is true that it is no longer 1 billion sales per month.

* Btw what is the outcome of your discussion on how to make more money? smile.gif any good ideas to share?



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post Dec 27 2008, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Dec 26 2008, 04:40 PM)

Hi Danny,

Which Mortgage Broker do you belong to? I'm quite familiar with a few myself.  Well, I think you should be more familiar with the current rates than I am smile.gif.......but in general, the local banks are still more inclined to follow the "board rates" style of pricing....Notable exceptions are like CIMB, with their well intentioned, but feeble attempt at risk based pricing.  Your foreign banks like Stan Chart seem to have their pricing mechanism in order.

I hate to say this - as forecasting is not something which I purely believe in.  But if u want to leverage - i'd go all out NOW.  Seeing signs that the party is going to end soon.  I don't think banks are going to care about helping the government in their whole expansionary fiscal policy propaganda.  In the end of the day, they have to protect their own arse via dynamic pricing.  People that go delinquent will be priced at BLR + 4%.  Let's enjoy the show. smile.gif

A few questions if u don't mind - Which areas are the "hot areas" which u are witnessing from transacted sales at the moment? How's the approval to acceptance rate? Noticed any signs of defaults yet? Reliable sources have quoted that auction volumes have risen by approx 20%. You don't quite agree with dynamic pricing?

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Hi,

I'm with NYLife, besides banks we also linked with ING,OSK Securities & real estate companies.
Know anyone from our co.? smile.gif So far the 3 main criteria for calculating rates is still 1)property type & location, 2)client credit rating & 3)loan amount. Landed properties are placed as a better category compared to condos/apartments. As for hot areas, I can only say from my part (not sure about other colleages cases) here're some of the areas that applied for loans & re-finance :-

a) Sunway Damansara
b) Cheras
c) Kelana Jaya
d) Brickfields

I haven't been here long enough to experience defaults, but pre-approved loans have been good ie. 100% approval, maybe due to good clients. Actually I agree with the dynamic rates because not every client has the same risk for the bank and there are so many other criterias which may be different from one case to another. Surely one who has very good properties in good lcation, high amont of loan and close to zero risk by right should be offered better rates than a 50:50 case.

Auctions are appearing in newspapers almost every day, I'm not surprised they have risen and will continue to rise for the following year. Shows that more and more people are not able to commit to their properties and to the opportunist, auctions may also bring fruitful investments.
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post Dec 27 2008, 02:50 PM

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Nice to meet u too I'm always glad to network as our business is all about people! My email is danop2004@gmail.com & my contact no is 016-2743081. Hope to keep in touch smile.gif

On the issue of fixed vs variable rates, there are pros and cons. Fixed rates offers a certain form of stability but loses out when BLR is lower especially during recession. When there is a boom then this is where fixed rates then to be more attractive because imagine if your BLR goes up to 12%, even - 2.5% is still very high.

For the next 2-3 years at least, BLR is certain to be at the rock bottom due to current situation so this is the best time to leverage by refinancing. There are so many attractive yet safe investments which offer minimum 6% returns so your positive income yield from your financing is a golden opportunity. For every RM100k financing if you make use of the cash you can expect min 2-3k returns for the next 2-3 years. Of course there are others with higher returns but as we all know high returns = high risk as well. So it really depends on how an individual can manage his or her risk.

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post Dec 27 2008, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Phoeni_142 @ Dec 27 2008, 03:55 PM)
hmnnn, interesting point....

but may I offer my theory?

Before the handphone was created - we got by just fine without it.  Today, without a handphone - we feel that we are walking around without our underwear on.  (forgive the crude analogy).  Don't you think this is a form of "societal brainwashing"? smile.gif

Similarly, the whole existence of BLR, and how it benefits us in a recessionary period is part and parcel of "societal brainwashing".  I think we have to understand the whole purpose of financing....which is for the purpose of leverage and predictable cash flow mgmt.  However, noticed that many people in our industry (government & bankers included) seemed to have forgotten about the importance of cash flow mgmt

If I borrow say 100K from the bank - do u really think the borrower really wants to deal with another dynamic variable of whether BLR goes up or down? I think our society is really dysfunctional if they hope to "gain" if BLR goes down.  Conversely, does this mean I want to be screwed if BLR goes up?  I hope you see where I'm coming from here...

If you are a speculator - that's a different story alltogether....But I'm going to assume most people borrow from a bank to put a roof over their heads.  And these guys would rather have a competitive fixed rate over the next 30 years - without gaining or losing due to BLR fluctuations.

Don't you ever wonder why only AIA or ING can offer fixed rates? Even then their rates are not really competitive.  Why can't our banks do it? What's stopping them from giving 5% fixed for 30 years? That is another story for a different day.....

I'm just a retired uncle that's talking a bit loud here and there.  Too bad I'm not in the Ministry of Finance.....those guys can't even get our property financing market in order.....let alone run this country's economy.
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I agree on your point especially on cashflow management, unfortunately it does not favour the bank if BLR itself is not constant. AIA rates previously was approx 5.75 effective but due to the lower BLR now, they lose many customers to other banks which has lower rates. The savings for a 4% to 5.75% is quite a lot and many customers simply want to pay less as it makes more sense. For all banks to have a fixed rate the proper initiative must come from Min of Finance.

Current floating BLR does make your cashflow management a hell of a job to do. In today's environment especially if you have other things and businesses to worry about it is almost essential to have a personal financial advisor just to keep you abrest of things. That is actually how our co. came about. We noticed that nobody in their right mind will have so much time to think about BLR rates, finance, insurance, trust accounts, property management etc

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post Dec 29 2008, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(hspace @ Dec 28 2008, 10:03 PM)
Good discussion going on here.

This is directed at our Dr. RE,

1) Is there a conventional figure for finder's fees? Or arbitrary based on case-by-case basis agreed by the agent and buyer?

2) what are your suggestions on how to utilize rental income?

To Danny,

What are these safe investments that offer 6% returns?
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I can only point out investments that I know of, there may be others that I am not aware :-

1. ASN/ASB/ASW - average 6-10%
2. ING savings plan - 12% (6% guaranteed, 6% bonus (not guaranteed)), bonus shares, bonus upon maturity, free ins
3. CHGS - even at current poor economy it offers 8% guaranteed returns until 2010, thereafter average 6-17% (based on current CPO of 1500+)

There are other higher returns but since it is not 100% secure I didn't put it on the list.


Added on December 29, 2008, 8:03 pm
QUOTE(Pai @ Dec 27 2008, 04:08 PM)
Hi Danny,

Think these r OK prospects, but at todays pricing, it doesnt fit my "demand VS supply" test, so personally I'll give it a pass.  tongue.gif
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Thanks for the feedback.. agree on the demand/supply, btw if u come across any gem and you are feeling very giving this festive season pls drop me a note lol

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