if around that price, i'd rather buy iphone...i'm pretty sure it's around RM2k. The C902 also not that expensive during launch.

...china? you don't scare your money throw into sea?

no, it's far from safe, 99.9% is fake.

wait for it to come to malaysia, authorized or AP also much much more safer than buying oversea.

well if you want to go for it, wish you good luck then!

but still, even if you can't wait, at least wait for the AP set. less hassles at the very least. best wait for authorized set as the price will become more stable.

*still patiently waiting for the release*

there's a offline map application for java based phones, but i lost the link and forgot the name of the application.

but don't know if it'll also work with internal gps receiver.

you talk as like C905 has no GPS...

oh i know, cause nothing can beat your beloved innov8...

lol ok, no big deal.

seaedge i've visited a website, a donation ware offline map that can download and convert yahoo/msn maps and translate them to offline google map. anyway with a bit or googling i've come across this

http://linuxtechs.net/kruch/tb/forum/index.php

but still not the one i've seen though.

unfortunately, you're still wrong.

gps is gps, no tricks and cons. it'll work as it is, and will not need network access to get it work.

take an example, N95 can lock the position without any network access. the problem with phone GPS device is, they're not as accurate as dedicated gps device, and they take a long time for the initial locking, hence the need of Assisted-GPS, which need the help of GPRS for more information on satelite locking.

you can bring N95 for jungle tracking, no problem, just that it may have a hard time locking the satelite signal due to many trees blocking the sky.

google map need constant network access because it's designed that you cannot store the map in your phone cause the database is too big to fit into a phone so google rather have you download the map in realtime instead.

not sure about viewfinder, but from what i read about it, it's not free, but 3 months trials are available when you got the phone new.

as for heavy surfers and msn with this phone, i very much doubt so cause the battery capacity is not designed to handle such task and it's not a smart phone unless you can find msn or other IM for java based phone. even if you can find IM for java based phone, i doubt it'll support multi tasking, means you cannot run it in the background while doing other things.

if you want more multimedia entertainment along with camera with xenon flash, N82 is the best choice imvho, and the price is quite cheap consider what it can do too.

the triangulate service is GPRS which is what used in AGPS as explained before. GPS can be used by itself just that you'll wait until your coffee become cold then only it'll lock on.

N95 monthly fees is the realtime voice navigation, but the map application itself can have virtual routing that cannot be use in realtime, and the maps itself is free to use.

about the offline map for C905 (or other java based phone), it depends on whether the application support or not, or if the maps support cause the maps may or may not contain routing informations. if using google maps as offline but you want route, storing every route will make your phone memory explode haha. check iphone forum for more information about google maps.

nice photos from C905! if it can take a decent picture indoor, outdoor should be no problem.

i don't care about video calling, the mid price tag and excellent 8.1MP camera with gps/wifi is enough for many people to buy it.

if convert the price selling in SG, it's around RM2000~RM2100. so if anyone want to get it early can get it at SG i guess. but i'd rather wait for the official launch, hopefully the price will be around RM2299~RM2399...

yup, it's almost as good as innov8 except that the details are not that sharp when it comes to trees (dunno why, just trees). awaiting for the grand 8mp shootout from GSMArena like how they did the 5mp shootout last time.

well i went to gsmarena again, download those photos and edit them.

well, even i resize them to 1600x1200, the photo still remain as sharp and natural, really nice, not to mention 1600x1200 already the max photo sharing size, bigger than that will be harder to view on PC. i just wonder, why C905 can capture detailed buildings but not trees and leafs? anyway comparing downsized image (to 2mp), the quality difference almost non-existance compared to innov8. i'm done with LED photo taking, so next phone gonna be xenon.

bravo SE! if the price gonna be rm1999 or even rm2099 for authorized set, i'm sold and will rush out to buy right away.

check out gsmarena, 8mp shootout posted for renoir/pixon/innov8/c905.

gsmarena said, any of the latest 8mp camera phone beat all 5mp camera phone hands down.

or should i say, you're merely just a fanboy?

there's no reason why xenon flash shouldn't score a lot for most youngsters. i'd rather sacrifice some details for night party photos. even though C905 doesn't score well among other 8mp camera phone, at least it still beat all 5mp camera phone of the previous generations. most importantly, the full resolution is almost not needed, and when's the last time you print out your photo taken by camera phone?

for me i'm really happy with c905's photo. for casual shooting, convenient always more important than quality imho. i'd buy a cheap digicam if i want quality, even a rm599 digicam already can beat any camera phone.

without a dedicated 3.5mm jack it's not possible to watch movie/listen to music with headphone while charging the phone. but at the end people rarely charge and listen to music at the same time anyway.