I am suspecting the Mac Address Filtering to be the culprit. Try to set back to normal withour MAC Add Filter n see whether it works. Its also good to try from other access points.

looks like either u installed the wrong version or u did not register the garmin.

so far, GPS on my N85 have been great. Both Nokia Maps & Garmin Mobile XT working flawlessly and I've disabled A-GPS and Network in the Positioning settings.

I haven't used Google Maps b4 but I thought it ain't a navigation system with voice direction.

For navigation w/ voice : yes, u should use the Garmin Mobile XT which I think should be the best for S60 based phones.

U actually have to purchase Garmin Mobile XT. GPS usage is FOC though.

Garmin does not come installed with the N85 but I believe some retailers would be obliged to do it for u if u request them to. Otherwise, do a google

Installation of themes are rite but note that there's no 'Delete' function for themes in the phone nor does it have any removal function from the Nokia Apps.

You'll have to remove it the "MANUAL" way. Lucky u installed them in the memory card. I wouldn't have any idea if u place it in the phone memory.

Steps to remove themes (from memory card) :

1. Connect the phone via USB cable and select the Mass Storage mode.
2. Using My Computer, browse the memory card. Activate "Show Hidden Files" in your windows.
3. Goto hidden folder named : Private
4. Goto folder named : 10207114 (inside Private)
5. You will see many folders with names like strings of numbers and alphabets. One theme in each folder.
6. Goto inside each folder.
7. Using notepad, open the file with .skn extension.
8. Try to distinguish the name of the theme within the codes in the file opened by your notepad. (Tips : Scroll horizontally)
9. Once u identified the name of the theme u wish to delete, close the notepad, remember the name of the folder.
10. Delete the folder with all its contents inside.
11. Do the same for other themes u wish to delete.

Can't answer u on that, I have not touched or seen an INNOV8. But I can tell u this. Initially I was deciding between N85 and SE C905 which also has GPS. My only reason choosing N85 is that N85 being S60 has the capability to install 3rd party application such as the Garmin while the C905 is I think S40 or SE proprietary OS. So C905 is only limited to the GPS software that comes with it or u can just install Java Applets which I do not think there's any GPS nav software available.

Garmin advantage over the Nokia Maps or even SE's nav software (dunno what's the name) is that there's a local community in a forum constantly contributing towards updating the local (Malaysia & Singapore) map so u can be assured of the latest up to date map available. For nokia and se, their application is good (Nokia Maps no need to 'recalculate' to give u an alternate route when u miss a turn) but no matter how good a software is, if the map and routing table is not up to date, it is as good as unusable. There's once Nokia Maps asking me to turn right at the T junction where its only one way street to the left. Malaysian roads change all the time and u need up to date maps.

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 01:28 PM

Like Alexdino mentioned....its not the phone's system folder I am referring to. Its the memory card's hidden folder. So u just go to My Computer and at the top menu go to Tools > Folder Options > View > Show Hidden Files and Folders.

Well, N85 does not come with the most sensitive GPS receiver and very much depending on the environment (in a car, heavy tint, bad weather, blocked by tall buildings in the vicinity, sat is at a difficult line of sight angle to u, stardust blocking the sat n u ) at times, u might be able to get more sat connected if u start moving and come to a better reception area. At times, if the area u are in is bad, even u waited for 1 hour would not yield u a good result. This applies not just to the N85 but for all GPS receivers.

yeah, i can't believe it too...i spent like 30 mins trying and exploring the menus and the Nokia apps for a delete function till i gave up on it n start googling

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 03:19 PM

wear a glove

or get other phone

honestly, if u skin it, you're not gonna enjoy the feel of the phone.

If u wanna get this phone, then enjoy it to the fullest, just clean it whenever u can but when using, just use it like normal. That'z how u enjoy the N85

hrm, sounds like your N85 has very weak reception. Mine does not perform as bad. So far, if i can see the sky (not in tunnel, etc) theres no lost signal at all.

U might wanna have it checked!

I m using it in an upright position that is using a phone holder in my car.

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 06:21 PM

whoa thats pretty weired, must quickly go n get it checked. Something's definitely wrong. Try restarting ur phone or verify the settings.

OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode

Typical LCD screen requires backlight and in usual case uses fluorescent backlight. Newer mode advance tech uses LED backlight. LED in this sense is the typical white colour LED. OLED is different because the backlight is not generated by any other means but the LCD screen itself. This tech enables the specific part of the screen to glow and glow in the amount required to produce the clarity and brightness. Other areas that do not need light (example black colour) will not light.

OLED gives, more contrast colour and blacker black compared to typical LCD. The organic thing glow when a low voltage is applied and by making specific area glow only means u get more efficient energy consumption. OLED screens typically squeeze less juice than the LCD n yet produces better pictures.

For typical LCD, the backlight's brightness is fixed, its like a panel of white light.

Our N85 uses AM OLED (Active Matrix OLED), supposedly has a lifespan of 30,000 hours. OLED main disadvantage is short lifespan. Normal OLED can lasts only around 15,000 hours compared to LED backlight which lasts at least 60,000 hours. This AM OLED is much improved such that it's lifespan is not double that of typical OLED.

Above explanation is pretty layman in my own words, certainly not structured properly, hope u can understand what i am saying

This post has been edited by yupio: Dec 1 2008, 10:45 PM

Are your previous S60 device a Nokia? I have not been using a Nokia since the 8850 era so, no idea whether it has been like that all this while. But yes, it is seriously a problem when it comes to removing themes. Real unfriendly method.
Yeah, when the lifespan over, so does your phone. I bet the transmitting device's lifespan will be even shorter than the OLED, even the battery yeah. And usually most people changes phone waaay before any component of its current phone reaches its lifespan.

Even if u don't change phone, by the time the lifespan reaches, screen replacement would be pretty cheap. No idea on the cost at the moment though.
How is it now bro?? Eager to know ur result. Try factory reset the phone but not reformat the memory card coz I believe its got nothing to do with the memory card unless u r suspecting the GPS application is corrupt.

my AP set works too

ah mine's ori too. mine typically lasts for like 4 days. keep my b.tooth online during working hours (8 hrs), at least 10 sms per day and 1 hours of talk time.

if i play movie, then sometimes 2 days flat already.

oh new update available already?? hrm...gonna update it tomorrow.

well i do not think u can downgrade it using the Nokia Updater Software, there's no such toggle. U might be able to if u visit nokia centre but i don't think they're gonna do it for ya if its AP set.

hard reset wont downgrade your firmware. u'll have to bring it to svc centre to re-flash your firmware if u wanna do a downgrade.

ah, i been using the GPS with only the integrated GPS ticked. all the rest are unticked. Works fine for me too and the speed is satiafactory.

from the changelog the improvements and fixes seems great. so far, are there any problems on the stability for those who have upgraded the firmware??

U should do a firmware update n see how's the result otherwise gotta claim warranty edi.

sounds like i should update the firmware

anyway, on the GPS settings :

A-GPS will definitely incur GPRS (Data) charges but what about Network?

You're rite about A-GPS & Integrated GPS.

But my question is about 'Network'.

Thing is, A-GPS functions pretty close to Network, so what does Network do? A-GPS, if u read from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS, says that it uses the telco tower (several) to triangulate your location and therefore assist the GPS sat to locate u faster.

So, that's the explanation of A-GPS, how about Network?

You're rite about that too but how about the Network??

By the way, I got my N85 updated to the latest firmware. Hrm, the startup and ask u for security code bug still exist.

hope it all goes well for u...especially the GPS.

i been using the new firmware for 2 days...didnt notice any difference...everything still the same.....old problems still exist.

Happy holiday bro n Salam Hari Raya

Appreciate this info bro....these deserve to be placed on the first page for those who got AP n needs to change its region code.

i guess its the hardware problem...should see the supplier n ask for 1 to 1 exchange