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coldblood
post Oct 19 2008, 02:38 PM

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hey everyone. i am form 5 this year. and i will either be going to uplands for IB program or go to perth for a TEE(ausmat) program.

the problem is i want to study law in ANU which is 16 ranked in the world.In its web it says that it's prerequisite is
TER 95 and IB 36.

can anyone please explain to me whats da meaning of IB 36? because i m a total stranger to this info.

http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4300XLLB;overview.html

and do any of u have similiar experience.
should i opt for IB or TEE
which of them stands a higher chance for me to get into the law faculty of ANU?

thanks


ANU has also offered a program called JD. issit the same as LLB?

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post Oct 19 2008, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(RBR @ Oct 19 2008, 05:32 PM)
I don't know about IB, but it should be the same.  And why just ANU?  Rankings are bullshit in the real working world - just come out of a reasonably reputable school with good results.
Furthermore, Canberra isn't the best place to study law, and ANU certainly isn't, unless you're into government/public policy law.  Truth be told TER of 95 is considered very low.  Sydney/UNSW/Melb/Monash have just as good programs (harder to get in too) and will be much easier to gain employment if you plan to work in Australia.  Perth has a shortage of lawyers and only has 2 universities offering law.  UWA is a pretty good school too.
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yeah thanks for the info. i am still new to law but very interested. The problem with UWA is that it only offers double degree if i opt fr law which is equivalent to 6.5 years which is very expensive. do u mind sharing and telling me which australia university is good and yet still recognized by the Malaysia government(just in case).

from the education agency, dey only told me about uwa ,utas and murdoch. Uwa has an TER of 96 , murdoch 90+, Utas 90+

If i go for my LLB in Perth, does it mean i stand a better chance at getting employment there?

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post Oct 20 2008, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 20 2008, 09:09 PM)
legal practiotioners are on the SOL, namely barristers and solicitors, so u have to take the necessary qualifications in order to be considered such. Other legal practitioners without practicing certs will have to apply for assessment to see whether they have the required experience, qualifications to be considered as legal secretaries etc. Lawyers are however not on the MODL.
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I am sorry because i have very limited knowledge regarding this. What exactly is SOL and MODL. do u mind to explain? thanks

btw which country do you think is good for a lawyer to have a bright future?
i heard its very hard to practice law in the UK for us malaysians

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post Oct 22 2008, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(RBR @ Oct 22 2008, 04:13 AM)
Simple terms:

You will get your PR by doing law.  However, you can only apply after becoming a solicitor, and in most cases this means doing your degree + 1 year of practical legal training.  Therefore, if you are doing a single 4 year degree, budget for 5 years expenses.

You will get a job in Australia if your grades are decent enough.  Since you want to do just law, your options really are Monash, UNSW, and perhaps Queensland since Sydney only has double degrees for undergrads and Melbourne have their strange new system which prolongs your study.  Between Monash/Melbourne & UNSW/Sydney, there really is no discrimination.  All have people in high places of the judiciary and the profession.  All are equal when you're looking for a job.  Melbourne & Sydney have the most jobs.  There's nothing in Canberra except government, and you can't work in government as a non-citizen.  I am suggesting that you do not study in one state then move because you will build your network in the state you have studied in, and the partners who interview you sometimes favour graduates from their own alma-matter.  Australia is also very state-centric.  Nobody here in Melbourne cares that ANU is 'ranked' higher than Melbourne/Monash, and I can assure you that graduates from there will not be preferenced just for that reason alone. 

Assuming you want to work in the large commercial firms, sell your soul to the firm and get $75k/year as your starting pay, both Melbourne and Sydney offer good opportunities.  Sydney has perhaps more banking, finance, M&A jobs, whereas Melbourne will have more employment, trade practices, IP work.  I was in your position about 6-7 years ago, I went to Monash, did my PR thing and am employed in a reputable mid-sized Melbourne firm now. 

Good luck.
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Thanks i understand every bit of wad you are saying. thumbup.gif I heard from my education agency that if i go to canning/tuart college. they can get me to murdoch university. Is murdoch as good as UNSW and monash? In terms of future employment and reputation. If not, then i guess i wil take IB and then follow your footsteps to go to Monash or maybe UNSW.

Is a combined degree better than a single law degree?
do u mind to share which field of law are you practicing now?
Thanks again.
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post Oct 22 2008, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(RBR @ Oct 22 2008, 02:47 PM)
I do not know the perception of Western Australian residents, but I suppose Murdoch is okay.  Canning college can get you to any university in Australia so don't restrict yourself to just Murdoch.  If you're practising in Perth, Murdoch would be fine, but if you moved interstate, you'd want to be from UWA simply because its more well known.

It depends on you.  If you want to practice in tax, you would need an accounting degree as well.  If you want to practise in IT law, having an IT background would be good.  But you don't yet know what you want to practise in, and sometimes you really don't get to choose - you just take whatever's on offer and hope to god you like it.  I don't think its important to have a second degree, but it would help you get your first job.  After that, I don't think it matters anymore.

I am practising in IP law.
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haha thanks RBR. Nothings more enlightening then a real life advocate giving me advice haha. Hopefully in a few years time i will meet u at melbourne haha.


QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 22 2008, 03:33 PM)
whats about Malaysian Practicing law in UK? with their Bar as well.
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yeah i would like to know the success rate of this career path too( just for extra info).
i dont know anyone that studies law and practice it at the UK. Its very tough right? What if I am very smart and I am a Cambridge student? will i defeat local law students and get employment?
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post Oct 22 2008, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 22 2008, 05:16 PM)
oh how interesting. im planning to practice in melbourne as well, and so is my girlfriend who specializes in IP...hmmm!

from what i heard, oxbridge students do get preferences. besides, u will be entitled to the graduate work visa. my friend from cardiff just got a job in cardiff. she's a barrister.
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haha how old r u alsree. ur friend must be a very outstanding figure haha. do u mind asking her wads da process for us malaysians to gain entry into UK's legal society?


QUOTE(Xziled @ Oct 22 2008, 05:16 PM)
As far as i know, those who wanna take BAR in the UK must be at least also employed in one of the firms in UK there in order to qualify for the BAR. And in UK, the firms of course would rather choose their own skin and colour 1st before us. As for grades i'm not sure but obviously it will also be an important factor ler
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yeah i heard of that too. second year undergraduates have to start searching employment in real life firms and fill their resume. I wonder what happens if u fail

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post Oct 23 2008, 12:30 AM

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Please explain to me what do you mean by legal society?

it is rather wide.

You have the Crown Prosecution Service, Government Legal Service, Self-employed barrister, employed barrister, solicitor, etc.

It really depends on the scope that you intend to practice.

It is harder to gain pupillage in comparison to a training contract.
I am not saying that a training contract is easy because it would be inaccurate. All that I am saying is that the statistic shows that the chances of obtaining a pupillage is lower than obtaining a training contract.
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i have seen the statistics. thanks. i m a chinese and my god the pupillage statistic for is so low... 0.7 % 0.6 % 0.0 %
the scope that i would like to practice is employed barrister. what exactly is Crown Prosecution Service, Government Legal Service and Self-employed barrister? sorry i m still young and lack of info haha.

scizo are you studying or working in the Uk now?

i feel its even tougher now for a malaysian student to survive as a lawyer in the Uk after reading the stats

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post Oct 24 2008, 06:41 PM

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Hey schizo. I have heard from my education adviser that CLP doesnt recognizes international baccalaureate program? Is that true? i went to the malaysian bar website but did not find anything about it.

According to my education adviser, CLP only doesn't recognizes Western Australia Universities' Foundation Program too. CLP only recognizes TEE(AusMat). Is this true?
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post Oct 27 2008, 09:03 PM

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now i am in form3 , wednesday i hav to choose stream
i dont lik science at all , i wish to choose art stream but i wanna know that izit art stream can study law?


Art stream can study law. Same like art stream can study business, econs and commerce. law mostly doesn't have any prerequisites.
I am from science stream too. what i am studying in science stream have nothing to do with law.
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