Quick question.

Instead of doing BPTC in UK, one could go to US and take Law as a post grad as well no?

Then you would have to sit for the State's Bar depending on where you want to practice in future.

Ain't that a better option compared to the BPTC?

Just hypothetical.

Any why are you unlikely to find employment? Any hard facts to back this up?

Most people take the US bar and the BPTC with the intention not to go back to Malaysia, don't you think?

No hard facts? Shame then.

The market is saturated in the States yea. But if you are good enough, don't see why a top 10 law firm won't hire you. It's blatantly saying just because you are Malaysian, you won't get hired.

Which is kinda ridiculous.

Thou I agree with your last statement. BolehLand can hire anyone and everyone with a job....

Of course, of course.

Don't get me wrong. I understand completely where you are coming from

Thanks anyways. And I am sure, it's not just "couple" of exceptions

Yea man.

I was thinking LL.M actually but you pretty much summed up what I was thinking.

Thanks

UM should be recognized, UKM not really sure.

Refer to the Singapore Bar for more information?

One of these days, we should update the 1st page of this thread with latest information so that newer people can read well.

If I'm taking the CA's state Bar exam, of course I plan to practice in US.

Undergrad - No qualification

I'm taking professional qualification, ACCA

Postgrad - LL.M in US once I get the clearance from my sponsors.

Personal reasons.

ACCA's just a stepping stone to something bigger man.

I plan to finish ACCA and get a 2nd degree to specialize in some field I want.

I'm on some form of sponsorship yea.

Most US law school offer Law as post grad, how can one get a law degree as undergrad?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-law

The American Bar Association requires law schools that it approves to require at least a bachelor's degree for North American students for admission. But no specific degree or major is considered "pre-law";[1] unlike pre-med, an undergraduate student is not required to take a set of prerequisites in order to get into law school. Therefore, universities lack an official "pre-law" concentration. Both holders of Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Science degrees (and more rarely, higher degrees such as the master's degree and doctorate), as well as students of most undergraduate majors attend law schools. Specific law schools have their own requirements; there are also standard requirements set forth by the ABA and the Law School Admission Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school_in_the_United_States

Law schools in the U.S. issue the Juris Doctor degree (J.D.), which is a professional doctorate,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and for most practitioners a terminal degree. Although most law schools only offer the traditional three-year program, several U.S. law schools offer an Accelerated JD program.
Other degrees that are awarded include the Master of Laws (LL.M.) and the Doctor of Juridical Science (J.S.D. or S.J.D.) degrees, which can be more international in scope. Most law schools are colleges, schools, or other units within a larger post-secondary institution, such as a university. Legal education is very different in the United States from that in many other parts of the world.

Based on what I google out roughly, LL.M or J.D could be obtained from a law school in United States as well. Depending on what you want to enroll in. Besides, since there's no legit pre-requisite, ACCA and a strong hand in Tax would be a very legit reason to enroll in law schools as Taxation and laws correlated strongly in various fields.

Correct me if I am wrong, however.

Yeap.

I should apply for JD 1st over the LLM. Sorry. Did not read properly. Busy dealing with the morning rush of work

Gonna apply for LSATs after I am free and see how it goes then. Likely to join next year

JD then to State Bar and LL.M if wanna study further.

Great deal of research to do today then. Thanks again

Yeap. Ain't that bad if you can get a good law school.

JPA tends to sponsor students who are in Ivy or 2nd tier universities if you are lucky.

And there's always US study grants, excellency scholarships and etc

Depending on where I got a job offer, of course

But likely the CA/NYC State Bar as I don't think I want to work anywhere else outta the NYC tbh.

There's a good market for Tax experts there

Nope. Not on government sponsorship for my current program.

TLDR version - No case as the evidence does not backs the finding that even if the board did not act the way it did.

Summary writings by US supreme court and English court are a beauty to read.

I have to agree with your statement above.

And regarding the option of LL.B, there's pretty much no options for local people except for private institution offering a twinning or full external program.

It's pretty difficult to get into the Oxbridge/London schools with Malaysian's qualifications.

Best pathway would be enrolling in the UoL external paper for private candidate for now, no?

MMU 4 year program, no need take CLP after that.

Problem is, if you want to go overseas, I think you can forget it..

It's not recognized anywhere else except BolehLand since your syllabus consist of Malaysian Laws mostly instead of English law if I am not mistaken.

My advise, go learn English Laws and do UoL external program. It's cheap and if you are hardworking, top students could be transferred to Inn's College in London to finish the program, all paid for.

Side note -

Just checked the fees of law in a top US Law school. Man, it's at least 40k USD per year. That's 120k minimum for a JD.

It's more expensive than a medical degree locally

What do you want to practice in Malaysia? Lawyers are not high reimbursed in Malaysia and the judicial system, well. I rather reserve my person opinion on that.

I can't really say what's best for everyone.

Litigation's a good start, but in Malaysia, I doubt you'll get much exposure.

Very little to zero litigation case in Malaysia to even practice.

Most lawyers here practice family law, sales and purchase and M&A.

You don't see much criminal/commercial/etc litigation here.

Besides, if you listen to Academiclawyer, since the chance to get employed overseas are like 0,001% based on his statistics, I don't think studying law locally is a good option as there's nothing much to practice in Malaysia

Name me 1 litigation case that's significant enough for one to learn from in Malaysia.

The last major Litigation case I read was regarding the PwC scandal. Other than that, it's all bs made up by people, litigation involving government agency that are backed by powerful people, fraudulent case against a former DPM charged with Sodomy.

How much chance can a young graduate practice litigation in this country? You tell me.

If it's 99% procedure, might as well be a paralegal.

Learning without substance = Nothing to learn at all

Might as well do other more interesting courses then.

The conduct of a lawsuit is called litigation

I'm curious to see, what interesting thing you can learn in Malaysia. Seriously.

Since you said can practice a certain amount of litigation, example please?

From my point of view, there's nothing to be practice.

Most of my lawyer friends are doing paperwork pushing till 10pm in Malaysia compared to others that are practicing elsewhere in the world.