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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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post Jul 14 2008, 04:36 AM

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QUOTE(hydrogenation @ Jul 12 2008, 11:53 AM)
i'm thinking of maybe doing a juris doctorate in melbourne uni after my bachelor's degree. can anyone tell me more about the JD? or should i just go ahead and do an LLB in monash? what's the difference between the two?
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Same thing. Melb Uni has changed from an undergraduate entry to a graduate entry for some courses. Their JD is equivalent to an LLB elsewhere, just named JD because its a graduate entry program.
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post Jul 18 2008, 05:16 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jul 16 2008, 06:25 PM)
The content of course is slightly different as well.Though in terms of recognization, both are same.
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In terms of subjects, its the same although they may be called different things. They all have to do the Priestley 11 subjects which form all your compulsory subjects. The rest are electives, which, for your level, are largely similar as well. The textbooks used are pretty much similar too.
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post Jul 23 2008, 08:01 PM

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If you can't even be bothered to do your own research as to which universities are good how do you expect to go to university let alone study law?

And no, its extremely difficult to get work in the UK as a foreigner.
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post Sep 9 2008, 04:52 AM

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QUOTE(fookeatmin89 @ Sep 9 2008, 02:10 AM)
i just wanna ask whether i can practice in Australia after i completed my UOL external programme and CLP...is it possible?
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You will need to do several extra compulsory units there and a 1 year practical legal training course to qualify.

And you will find it extremely difficult to get a job being a Malaysian graduate with no experience but don't hold me back on that.
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post Sep 25 2008, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Sep 24 2008, 10:40 AM)
if u can afford to study in the uk for 3 years, might as well do an UOL external LLB or a twinning programme and do the Bar in the UK after u grad i.e. if u intend to do a Uk degree.
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I do not believe in doing an external program unless you are a working professional and are unable to attend full time university classes. There is no substitute to a proper university education where you are taught by actual experts in the field who have written academic papers and textbooks on the subject. While you will still gain your LLB if you do the UoL external, you would not have the same experience. As such, it is no wonder why Singapore decided not to recognise external programs and sub-standard overseas universities.
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post Oct 19 2008, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(coldblood @ Oct 19 2008, 02:38 PM)
the problem is i want to study law in ANU which is 16 ranked in the world.In its web it says that it's prerequisite is
TER 95 and IB 36.

can anyone please explain to me whats da meaning of IB 36? because i m a total stranger to this info.

http://studyat.anu.edu.au/programs/4300XLLB;overview.html

and do any of u have similiar experience.
should i opt for IB or TEE
which of them stands a higher chance for me to get into the law faculty of ANU?

thanks
ANU has also offered a program called JD. issit the same as LLB?
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I don't know about IB, but it should be the same. And why just ANU? Rankings are bullshit in the real working world - just come out of a reasonably reputable school with good results.
Furthermore, Canberra isn't the best place to study law, and ANU certainly isn't, unless you're into government/public policy law. Truth be told TER of 95 is considered very low. Sydney/UNSW/Melb/Monash have just as good programs (harder to get in too) and will be much easier to gain employment if you plan to work in Australia. Perth has a shortage of lawyers and only has 2 universities offering law. UWA is a pretty good school too.
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post Oct 22 2008, 04:13 AM

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QUOTE(coldblood @ Oct 20 2008, 09:57 PM)
I am sorry because i have very limited knowledge regarding this. What exactly is SOL and MODL. do u mind to explain? thanks

btw which country do you think is good for a lawyer to have a bright future?
i heard its very hard to practice law in the UK for us malaysians
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Simple terms:

You will get your PR by doing law. However, you can only apply after becoming a solicitor, and in most cases this means doing your degree + 1 year of practical legal training. Therefore, if you are doing a single 4 year degree, budget for 5 years expenses.

You will get a job in Australia if your grades are decent enough. Since you want to do just law, your options really are Monash, UNSW, and perhaps Queensland since Sydney only has double degrees for undergrads and Melbourne have their strange new system which prolongs your study. Between Monash/Melbourne & UNSW/Sydney, there really is no discrimination. All have people in high places of the judiciary and the profession. All are equal when you're looking for a job. Melbourne & Sydney have the most jobs. There's nothing in Canberra except government, and you can't work in government as a non-citizen. I am suggesting that you do not study in one state then move because you will build your network in the state you have studied in, and the partners who interview you sometimes favour graduates from their own alma-matter. Australia is also very state-centric. Nobody here in Melbourne cares that ANU is 'ranked' higher than Melbourne/Monash, and I can assure you that graduates from there will not be preferenced just for that reason alone.

Assuming you want to work in the large commercial firms, sell your soul to the firm and get $75k/year as your starting pay, both Melbourne and Sydney offer good opportunities. Sydney has perhaps more banking, finance, M&A jobs, whereas Melbourne will have more employment, trade practices, IP work. I was in your position about 6-7 years ago, I went to Monash, did my PR thing and am employed in a reputable mid-sized Melbourne firm now.

Good luck.
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post Oct 22 2008, 02:47 PM

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I do not know the perception of Western Australian residents, but I suppose Murdoch is okay. Canning college can get you to any university in Australia so don't restrict yourself to just Murdoch. If you're practising in Perth, Murdoch would be fine, but if you moved interstate, you'd want to be from UWA simply because its more well known.

It depends on you. If you want to practice in tax, you would need an accounting degree as well. If you want to practise in IT law, having an IT background would be good. But you don't yet know what you want to practise in, and sometimes you really don't get to choose - you just take whatever's on offer and hope to god you like it. I don't think its important to have a second degree, but it would help you get your first job. After that, I don't think it matters anymore.

I am practising in IP law.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Mar 22 2009, 05:10 PM)
iii) having decided that, u will have to sit for a relevant exam for that particular state depending on which route u take...
iv) chambering then follows.
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There is exam after your LLB. There is either a 'chambering' period or a practical training course, depending on the state. Neither have exams.

QUOTE(alsree786 @ Mar 23 2009, 11:31 AM)
total duration to become a solicitor in victoria would be

4 years for degree (generally)
about 10 mths for practical cert
18 mths for supervised practice (akin somewhat to chambering)
See above. Its either practical cert or supervised practice. It takes about 10 months in VIC, about 6 months in NSW.

If you did your degree in the UK, you will need to do 5-6 subjects in an Australian university before being eligible for the practical cert.

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