haha, sorry, i cant help u out with the clp. i think most of us here are still llb students, with few exceptions. even then, they are probably either doing the bvc or are overseas, or are those who wun be practicing. hope someone comes along and helps u out...besides, if im not mistaken, you're heading to BAC for some revision course...make the most of that i guess

London? or UK? if london, i dun think any of the unis in london are affiliated with colleges here, the only way to get to a london uni for a "twinning" is via the Uol ext llb queen mary route which is like doing a 1+2.

with regards to costs, that'll obviously vary depending on location, uni and individual spending habits. the exchange rate is in your favour atm tho compared to pre recession...

For day to day expenses, i think about 120 quid/week would be more than enough, but i can survive on bread and nutella for days (i also cook) and i skype alot.

RM150k is way too much, i dun think u will need more than rm100k for 9 months, based on current exchange rate figures....though i'll reconsider that figure if u really meant London instead of UK. for example, the uni of cardiff, tuition fees are about GBP10k, and accomodation won't touch GBP3k. with current exchange rates, tuition fees and accomodation costs are about RM72k. At 120 quid a week for 9 months that'll cost u another RM 24000...giving u a total of RM96000. Im just estimating here using rough figures...

(used exchange rate of 5.5 and rounded up to nearest k)

im doing the uol ext llb, but i was very keen on going to Inti for a 2+1 before i opted to stay in KL and save money for the bvc, but now im not going for the bvc because im going to....ahh nvm, very complicated case.

well, i cant really recommend any uni in uk, coz i cant remember what i researched. i think most students who intend to pursue the bvc after graduating will prefer cardiff and northumbria since they offer the bvc. i shan't talk about rankings because they change every year, but if u consider that important then check out thes and guardian. most students end up in either northmbria or uwe, but based on what ive heard, Cardiff seems like a good place. My friend who did her llb, bvc and llm there really likes it, and i trust her judgment...

purely based on rankings and "prestige" uni of manchester would be good...but u will need AAA at a levels and it's only for a 1+2....

well, generally speaking, for me, in the uk, it's

1) Oxbridge
2) the others which are considered "top" unis like imperial, Ucl, Kings, edinburgh
3) the 2nd tier unis
4) the 3rd tier unis


if u are considering twinning under a 2+1... 1) and 2) are out. based on thes 2008, no twinning uni (2+1) is in the top 100 rankings so it is based on what they consider as low ranking unis. I know in singapore we consider low ranking unis based on comparisons with ntu and nus. but anyway, since u are talking about uk employees (-ers?), guardian would be a better reference. I think for the bvc, there is some sort of preference for the unis own students, im not sure about this, u probably shud check with someone who is more knowledgeable on it....

where did u get tat from?

i think it's posted on the first page of this thread, but pls view http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/admission_requirements.html

yes, it is probably not a good thing that certain local unis are exempted from it, hence the proposed cbe. im quite amused at how many ppl have harped on the fact that the clp is hard to pass. if the opportunity to take it arises for me, i shall see what the fuss is about...

This post has been edited by alsree786: Feb 7 2009, 12:59 AM

hahaha, okay. misleading chart then. yes u can pursue the bvc after uol external llb. good example would be schizophrenic who seems very bz....

This post has been edited by alsree786: Feb 7 2009, 01:39 AM

no sorry, i have no idea what the bvc entails. i will ask a friend and will get back to u when possible.

no it is not decisive. if ur uni is not an ivy or top uni, as long as it is reputable, most employers will focus more on your own natural abilities to excel in whatever field u are in. but then again, you may encounter those few who are concerned with uni rankings and reputation, or prefer the uol llb ext....

for me, i consider everything in totality. for law, your qualifications mean squat to me if u dun have a good command of language...

but i am assuming your speaking of malaysia.


...and im also interested to know why fr33dom would prefer a uol ext llb grad...

good part time law degree...take the uol ext. names of colleges have been mentioned before. cheap and decent.

some are, some arent...since this is thread on law under 'education essentials', chances are, a significant number of us are students. if u need any help, just ask!

depends on whether u want to do a local llb prog, or a twinning, or a dtp or an external law prog, or u want to go overseas. if u intend to pursue a uk llb prog either via twinning/dtp or external, look at either:
a) atc
b) brickfields
c)taylors
d)mentari
e)help
f)inti
g)kdu

your ques is pretty general, so i laid down what i would consider the better private law schools in kl as a brief answer.

i just typed what came to my mind, and having a set of atc revision books in front of me prompted my fingers to type those three letters first...they are in no particular order...

i cant say whether they are as good as before, since i only base my opinions on my own experiences, but ATC kl seems alrite tho i have my grouses. not sure bout atc penang, but im sure someone here can help u with that.

yes kings is ranked higher...

atc does not give king's col scholarship. if u want to go to king's either get the prerequiste results or get the highest mark in your intermediate UOL ext llb among all malaysian students. if u get the highest, yes u will get a scholarship awarded by king's itself...i think getting straight A's for a levels is easier than the latter route...

i) what are your pre u results?

ii) do u intend to practice?

iii) do u intend to go to the UK and do u have the funds to do so?

iv) do u intend to do the bvc?

each prog has its own pros and cons...anyway, 3 mths is quite a long time. still too early to get headaches...

i) yes, u will have to do the clp again when u return in malaysia

ii) to be a qualified lawyer in aussieland, u need to complete an llb covering the priestly 11, if u did not, u must get an assessment and complete the relevant subjects. i reckon aussie llbs probably cover the priestly so u shudn't have a prob...

ii) then u have to decide whether u want to be a barrister or a solicitor and in which state...

iii) having decided that, u will have to sit for a relevant exam for that particular state depending on which route u take...

iv) chambering then follows.

cant give specifics coz the practice differs for the states...

what uk prog are u talking about? a diploma/a levels or a degree then request for transfer of credits?

total duration to become a solicitor in victoria would be

4 years for degree (generally)
about 10 mths for practical cert
18 mths for supervised practice (akin somewhat to chambering)

total that up

i hope i didn't miss out anything

please view http://www.liv.asn.au/regulation/practisin...sing-Steps.html and http://www.lsb.vic.gov.au/NewAndIntendingPractitioners.htm


yes for both schemes a student is required to take 12 subjects, but it'll be different for scheme B and im not sure how transfer of credits work for for that scheme. even if allowed they will probably have to re do papers...most are on A anyway...

This post has been edited by alsree786: Mar 23 2009, 11:32 AM

your results are not good enough to enter the better unis in uk for law, and yes even if u do a twinning manchester does require 3 A's, tho i was once told 2 A's and a B would also do it. I guess if it was 3 A's all it does for a student is to save one year of costs....better clarify with the college, my info on this is what i found out 3 years ago...

Well, if u think you'll do well with law, for you, i suggest taking a twinning prog and get into cardiff. since funds are not a problem, it writes off a big pro of the uol external. furthermore, since cardiff offers the bvc, would be good for you to head there since, as what i've heard, they tend to give preference to their own students due to the small sized intakes. But of course results are paramount. I've recently met someone who (trying not to be mean) made me think that getting a place isn't that hard after all...but the uni life would be a nice experience and since u wanna go to the UK, the twinning programme sounds like a better route for you. Go to Inti and Help and check them out...

*sigh* okay, im sorry for the wrong term. when u do a dtp, yes they will consider pre u results in addition to internal exam results. which carries more weight? presumably internal exam results since they are part of the prog. there also may be quotas. speak to the college reps.

thanks for clarifying about the practical training...but i wished it was 5-6 subjects tho of course it varies depending on the course syllabus. I was quite surprised when i was informed by a Uni rep in Brisbane that UOL Law grads (syllabus similar for ext and int syllabus) have to do 10 to 11 subjects. I've always wondered whether the assessment would differ from state to state, but it may be a costly exercise for me to surpress that curiosity. Seriously made me reconsider practicing in Australia.

go private. take the uol ext llb if u want, or do a twinning/dtp. dun rule out local unis too, if u want. in short, consider everything other than mmu law, because even tho the exemption MAY happen soon, or at least during your 4 years there, i dun like to take chances with a year of my life. the same would have been in the heads of the first batch of students out last year from mmu...they probably assumed wrong or were not told. Either way, by spending 4 years there, if they had done so, have wasted a year...

anyway, it is ridiculous that one has to spend an extra year at mmu and still have to do the clp. there used to be a forumer who supported the mmu law programme...second batch of students coming out buddy, no clp exemption yet! does it really take that long to assess the prog, or is this another one of those "kena bayar" things? annoys me...

why not take a look at the subject material and decide...? i hate literature so i would choose business studies since i do like all those business related subjects...

any friends doing similar programmes? ask lecturer for recommended books and take a look at those books at a library? look at past year papers and see what they require from you and the scope? go for a couple of classes before deciding...im sure the college would allow a grace period before requiring you to sign up for the class...