Bachelor of Jurisprudence, you'll be studying Malaysian Law and the qualification is awarded by UM. It is designed mirroring UoL's external system. You can compare the syllabus at the atc and bac's website. Almost all the core papers are the same but UoL seems to offer more electives. The cost for Bachelor of Jurisprudence is naturally much cheaper as opposed to UOL's.

The standard for a JD varies. You should check with the institution directly on the recognition and the structure. It is supposed to be more challenging than an LLB as it is a graduate qualification and generally recognised as a doctorate. Do note that you will be required to sit for the LSAT (Law School Admission Test) prior to admission into Melbourne's JD.

I do not know much on Australian qualifications but perhaps you can contact RBR who is an LLB graduate from Australia.

In addition, I cannot confirm whether a JD is recognised in Malaysia because there does not appear to be any point of reference. You should check with the Qualifying Board with regard to their recognition of a JD from Melbourne.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jul 12 2008, 12:20 PM

It is not necessary for your to take STPM unless you intend to read law at a local public institution. You may take any pre-u qualification provided that it is recognised by the University that you intend to enrol and also the Qualifying Board so as to ensure that you will have the possibility of sitting for additional examinations (if required) to become a qualified person for purposes of being an Advocate and Solicitor.

This is based on the assumption that you intend to practise in Malaysia

Please refer to the first page on the various routes
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/715460

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jul 22 2008, 12:22 AM

Personally, I'd prefer Oxford for law though most bodies that provide rankings will go for Cambridge. Alternatively, you can consider King's College London. (Influenced by Oxford's education in jurisprudential theories)

Whether an LLB degree is the most sought after qualification is a very subjective question. However, I would not generally think it is. (Applying a relativist view)

It depends on your employer whether or not they would like to hire you. In the UK, the employment opportunities for Non UK and Non EU residents are extremely challenging(My opinion would differ accordingly depending on the profession).

In Malaysia, with an LLB alone you will probably be able to find employment in companies with a legal department, companies that provide will writing services, banks, etc.

The fees for London Unis will be higher than the rest. The same goes to other highly ranked Unis.
It will be better for you to check with specific institutions directly for a better estimate. A good start would be via their website or you can always wait for an education fair. If I am not mistaken, there will be a UK education fair this coming Nov.

http://www.britishcouncil.org/malaysia-edu...n-uk-exhibition


This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jul 23 2008, 10:49 PM

The legal profession in Malaysia is governed by the Legal Profession Act 1976. In order for you to be able to practise law locally, you must satisfy the academic stage, the practical stage and the formality stage. Once you have satisfied the academic stage, you will be considered as a qualified person under the Act so as to enable you to continue with your practical stage (pupillage). A qualified person is defined in Section 3 of the LPA 1976.

Therefore, you alternative would be to find ways to get your qualification recognised for purposes of the Act so as to make you a qualified person.

If you paper qualification (eg: JD) is not recognised, you will have to consider alternatives. The 3 exceptions quoted by you are qualifications recognised by the Qualifying Board so as to make them a qualified person under the Act. If your paper qualification is recognised by any of the governing bodies for the 3 exceptions quoted, then you may consider using that route so as to fall within the ambit of Section 3.

If you do not have a recognised paper qualification and you do not carry the title Barrister-at-law in England, Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Judicature England, or Barrister-at-law in Ireland, then you cannot proceed with the practical stage.

Because of this, you cannot be admitted to the High Court of Malaya or Sabah and Sarawak as an Advocate and Solicitor for failing to satisfy the requirements under the Act.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jul 25 2008, 07:34 PM

I am answering your question based on the assumption that you intend to practise law in Malaysia.

The most important issue that you should consider is the circumstances in which to make your LLB a recognised qualification for purposes of sitting for additional examinations as prescribed by the Qualifying Board so as to satisfy the academic stage and S3 LPA 1976 as a qualified person.

According to the Qualifying Board, they do not recognise foundations. Therefore, if you are considering a UK Pre-U, then the safest route would be an A-Levels qualification.

The normal period of study for an LLB in UK is for a duration of 3 years. The fees differ accordingly. I would advise you to seek further clarification with the specific institutions directly or via an agent in Malaysia.

LLD = Legum Doctor or Legum Doctorate.
A Doctorate in Laws. Not all Unis label their Doctorate with LL.D. Some use phd and some use DPhil.
an LLB is a baccalaureus degree.

Taking law would in a way improve your analytical skills among other things. This is something that is open to discussion and tend to be subjective and at the same time circular.

Things are rather uncertain these days with the proposal for the Common Bar Course in Malaysia and the Woods Report in England.
They are proposing to increase the entry requirement for the BVC and should a prospective student fail to achieve that standard, be compelled to sit for an aptitude test in order to determine if he or she is eligible. The BVC is a pre-requisite for someone to be called to the English Bar.

You will need to sit for an entrance examination in order to qualify for the Bar Course in Ireland at King's Inn. This is based on the assumption that they recognise your paper qualification.

Upon your return to Malaysia in the future should the Common Bar Course be implemented, you may be compelled to attend that course and sit for the exam before you will be eligible to practise in Malaysia.

At the moment, prior to any decision on its implementation, the position stands as described above.

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Added on July 25, 2008, 9:24 pmI do not know the prices and the terms used.




This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jul 25 2008, 09:24 PM

No comments on the college and No I am not living in London but I would like to.

It is among the top rated colleges in London to read law.

You just need to do a little bit of research and you'll get your questions answered. I'll help you with King's college this time but please refer to the specific institutions in future.

Course fees

Living expenses

The student visa will cover you for the duration of your course. You do not have to renew it every year.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jul 26 2008, 10:41 PM

Whether they are 'ok' or not is really up to you to decide. Like what you said, their representative is helpful and you will have the option to transfer in your 2nd or 3rd year to the Universities listed by you. Personally, I would not go for it but don't let my personal preference deter you from reading at law HELP if you believe that it will be good for you.

Reading law at a local public institution will definitely be cheaper as opposed to reading law overseas or at a local private institution.

Fees, course syllabus, standards of examination, approach, etc differs accordingly.

If you compare the fees, exchange rate and cost of living, you will find that Australia and England is more of less the same. This however would depend on the location you are comparing. You definitely cannot compare the cost of studying in London and Tasmania.

You can always apply for a scholarship, a loan from a licensed financial institution, a friendly loan, etc.

It really depends on what your options are and this in turn would be dependent upon your results and the institution that has accepted you.

You will be able to obtain more information if you seek other opinions from a general thread.

Anything as long as the employer recognises the qualification.

Normally, legal officers, compliance officers, enter into business, etc

It is too wide to list down everything

I shall reply to your statement with a short quote from the late Prof J.L. Austin of the Dept of Philosophy in Oxford University

"A sharpened awareness of words to sharpen our perception of the phenomena" - Prof. J.L. Austin

Shall not discuss further with regard to 'that' incident.

Why are you concerned about recognition of your LL.M? Are you in or intend to enter the civil service?
Who recognises Deaken in Malaysia?

The recognition you are referring to is dependent upon your prospective employer's preference. An LL.M from a local university or a foreign university will make no difference with regard to recognition by the Qualifying Board. It may be relevant for the civil service but such a distinction may not be substantially important for the private sector.

If an LL.M is not recognised as a result of it being based on foreign law then only an LL.M from a local public institution will be recognised as they are based on local laws.

Do note that an LL.M is meant to improve and enhance your logical and analytical skills. You are not going to be tested on your knowledge of the substantive law alone.

If a distinction on the recognition of an LL.M is made between a foreign LL.M conducted based on foreign law and a local LL.M conducted based on local law then it would in effect render most if not all foreign LL.M redundant.




Back to your initial question in view of your reply, the recognition of your LL.M will be dependent upon your prospective employer's preference on whether they prefer a foreign LL.M or a local LL.M. It is the same as how an employer would prefer a legal advisor who is an advocate and solicitor and one who is a law graduate.

I am addressing the issue of recognition alone.



This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Aug 23 2008, 05:43 PM

It is difficult for others to give a reply on the subject that you should take for the simple reason of personal preference. I for one loves Jurisprudence. However, I am rather certain that the majority of law students dislike it.

There are students who do well for family but there are also students who do better for succession. It really depends on how comfortable you are with the subject.

I would advise you to download the first 4 chapters of the subject guide at http://londonexternal.ac.uk/current_studen...des/index.shtml

and decide for yourself which among the 2 subject would you prefer.

Another thing that you should consider would be the past years' examination report made available at http://londonexternal.ac.uk/current_studen...iplaw/llb.shtml

The examination report will be able to give you a rough idea on what is expected in the examination for the specific subject.

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Added on September 4, 2008, 10:38 pm

I'm afraid that I am unable to comment on such questions as I may have certain inclinations that may not be justified thus being unable to give a clear and accurate representation on the quality of the institutions mentioned by you.

It would perhaps be better for you to visit the respective institutions and speak with their students.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Sep 4 2008, 10:38 PM

Like I stated in the first paragraph of this thread, I am a law student and I shall make no attempt to make an unqualified statement or opinion. Thus, the answers for the question above are best answered by someone with vast experience in practice.



It would be helpful if we have someone with such an experience here to share his opinion.