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TSschizophrenic
post Jul 15 2010, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(stevelim90 @ Jul 14 2010, 02:12 PM)

Added on July 14, 2010, 10:36 pmHey, I would like to know, if I get LPC in UK, and work as a solicitor over there few years, when I come back to Malaysia, do I need to take CLP? Bahasa Melayu is a MUST for CLP? Without it I can't practice law in M'sia?
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If you managed to qualify and be entered on the roll of Solicitors in England then you will be a qualified person under the present section 3 LPA

BM is not a must for CLP....

You need to understand how admission to the bar works. It is very simple and systematic.

1st, you need to be a qualified person before you can even petition to be admitted as an advocate and solicitor in the high court of malaya.

the next question is, are you a qualified person?

you can find the answer in section 3. CLP is a qualification that will make you a qualified person. The same goes to a solicitor in England.

BM is an additional requirement that a qualified person must satisfy before he can be admitted to the bar.

It does not affect your status as a qualified person.

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Also, CLP and the qualification as a Solicitor in England are qualifications that would enable the holder to be a qualified person under the LPA because of the recognition by the Qualifying Board.

The same does not apply to qualifications such as barrister-at-law in England, UM, NUS graduates and a few others. These are recognised by the statute specifically and not by the qualifying board.


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post Jul 15 2010, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 13 2010, 09:04 PM)
Skype, get a friend to call or wait till you come back.

:-)

Also, email + Government or Statutory Body = not a very good combination.

However, email + Inland Revenue Board = a better combination than the rest.
You should not contact anyone else because although both the Malaysian Bar and the Qualifying Board are statutory bodies created by the same statute, their respective duties and powers are different. Stick with the Qualifying Board and you'll do fine.
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Jul 13 2010, 05:35 PM)
@vcj1992

recognition of any qualification for CLP purposes is by the LPQB, not the MQA. Though it is likely that the LPQB will follow the MQA, only a formal confirmation that the LPQB does so should be considered. Hence, send an email to the LPQB to ask whether your qualifications satisfy the requirements and do inform us...
Hi there, got my relative who works as an education agent to contact and they confirm that American High school diploma and IB diploma are both equivalent to SPM and STPM respectively.. Thanks a lot to those who helped!

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post Jul 15 2010, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 13 2010, 08:23 PM)

it depends.

what kind of documents are you referring to?
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The ones written by the lawyer himself i guess.

My biggest question, i think, would be whether a poor foundation in BM, despite an excellent foundation in English, would give an individual a huge disadvantage when proceeding into or through law school and the career itself? shakehead.gif
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post Jul 15 2010, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(stevelim90 @ Jul 14 2010, 10:12 PM)


Added on July 14, 2010, 10:36 pm
thanks for your information, the one who craps in lecture is Mr Baljeet, you might not know him, because he is new in BAC, any how, previously he taught UoL in Stamford college, he should not teach those non sense, not many people like him, as in our class has 80+ people, during his class, half of the people will disappear after break or not turn up, they rather study in home.


Added on July 14, 2010, 10:36 pmHey, I would like to know, if I get LPC in UK, and work as a solicitor over there few years, when I come back to Malaysia, do I need to take CLP? Bahasa Melayu is a MUST for CLP? Without it I can't practice law in M'sia?
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Haahaha, of course i know him. Neither do i, dislike him where he at times talks non sense.

He is the who conducted my Evidence Viva test. Though i fully prepared to even answer anything out of syllabus. He asked nonsense. As you know,our viva test will be graded by assessing our knowledge of course, structure and etc. That day, I have choosen hearsay as my topic and he asked me what is Criminal Justice Act 2003. He dont even want to listen to me on the definition of hearsay by academics. He wants us to be 'practical' so called.
True, I understand his intention of not letting us to memorise the answer but understanding prevails. Nonetheless, he should have realised our understanding is built up by those 'theoretical' materials.The way he asked us do not show any practicality of it either. My friend is even worst, where whatever he said was wrong for Mr Baljeet. In fact, those answer given by my friend is correct.

He wants me to crap something rather than telling the true story. Wonder how he even gives the grade when he didnt even test us in depth on what is the exceptions with no case illustration but merely some irrelevant question:" are you going to UK?, How do you think you cope with other subjects and etc....

Some of us, who didnt study, managed to secure an A. Unbelievable. He is the 'Legend' if you ask me.
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post Jul 16 2010, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Jayz0118 @ Jul 15 2010, 09:38 AM)
The ones written by the lawyer himself i guess.

My biggest question, i think, would be whether a poor foundation in BM, despite an excellent foundation in English, would give an individual a huge disadvantage when proceeding into or through law school and the career itself? shakehead.gif
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lawyers write/prepare many docs

what kind of documents are you referring to?


:-)

a poor foundation in BM may not necessarily be a huge disadvantage but the disadvantage is nonetheless real career wise.


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post Jul 16 2010, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 15 2010, 02:15 AM)
If you managed to qualify and be entered on the roll of Solicitors in England then you will be a qualified person under the present section 3 LPA

BM is not a must for CLP....

You need to understand how admission to the bar works. It is very simple and systematic.

1st, you need to be a qualified person before you can even petition to be admitted as an advocate and solicitor in the high court of malaya.

the next question is, are you a qualified person?

you can find the answer in section 3. CLP is a qualification that will make you a qualified person. The same goes to a solicitor in England.

BM is an additional requirement that a qualified person must satisfy before he can be admitted to the bar.

It does not affect your status as a qualified person.

smile.gif

Also, CLP and the qualification as a Solicitor in England are qualifications that would enable the holder to be a qualified person under the LPA because of the recognition by the Qualifying Board.

The same does not apply to qualifications such as barrister-at-law in England, UM, NUS graduates and a few others. These are recognised by the statute specifically and not by the qualifying board.
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Thanks for information, its really useful for me.
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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jul 16 2010, 12:07 AM)
lawyers write/prepare many docs

what kind of documents are you referring to?
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a poor foundation in BM may not necessarily be a huge disadvantage but the disadvantage is nonetheless real career wise.
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Thanks for your information, that answer has also satisfied my first question. I guess I'll need to kick my BM up a notch before it's too late.
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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ Jul 15 2010, 12:40 PM)
Hi there, got my relative who works as an education agent to contact and they confirm that American High school diploma and IB diploma are both equivalent to SPM and STPM respectively.. Thanks a lot to those who helped!
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Just because other institutions etc accept them as equivalent does not necessarily mean the LPQB does as well. Better get it directly from the horse's mouth. You don't want to risk putting in all the effort and sacrifice into getting an LLB, only to find the LPQB doesn't recognise SPM/STPM equivalents.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jul 17 2010, 08:30 PM)
Just because other institutions etc accept them as equivalent does not necessarily mean the LPQB does as well. Better get it directly from the horse's mouth.


True, but as far as I know IB is recognised. Canadian matriculation is the one that I heard that is not recognised for CLP.
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QUOTE(wornbook @ Jul 17 2010, 07:30 PM)
Just because other institutions etc accept them as equivalent does not necessarily mean the LPQB does as well. Better get it directly from the horse's mouth. You don't want to risk putting in all the effort and sacrifice into getting an LLB, only to find the LPQB doesn't recognise SPM/STPM equivalents.
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I think he said he asked his relative that works as an agent to contact LPQB to clarify
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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Jul 18 2010, 04:24 AM)
I think he said he asked his relative that works as an agent to contact LPQB to clarify
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Yeap i did. That's what i meant.
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How do I know if law is for me? Where is the best to study law? Australia? UK? Singapore? Ps: I intend to work overseas or in Singapore in the future. I hate Mathematics and I love traveling. I would like a job that will allow me to travel.
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QUOTE(everywayimove @ Jul 23 2010, 09:10 PM)
How do I know if law is for me? Where is the best to study law? Australia? UK? Singapore? Ps: I intend to work overseas or in Singapore in the future. I hate Mathematics and I love traveling. I would like a job that will allow me to travel.
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then i think tourist guide will be the most suitable job for you,haha~
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Hi, I'm new here and it's great to have a place to ask questions about studying law!

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what results must I get for my LLB in order to proceed to LLM? Must I get an honours degree or will a pass do?

Sorry if this question is repeated. I didn't read all 72 pages. But I would greatly appreciate if someone can enlighten me. TQ
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QUOTE(lavender-lavender @ Aug 3 2010, 05:16 PM)
Hi, I'm new here and it's great to have a place to ask questions about studying law!

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what results must I get for my LLB in order to proceed to LLM? Must I get an honours degree or will a pass do?

Sorry if this question is repeated. I didn't read all 72 pages. But I would greatly appreciate if someone can enlighten me. TQ
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Depends on which uni u intend to pursue your LLM. Certain Unis and specialisations are higher in demand so there is competition for places. Get a minimum 2:2.
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Hi
I am asking this question for a friend who is at his final year doing University of London external degree programme.
He did not do very well for his exams in his first and second years and he is worried that he might not be able to get a Second Lower (2:2) which is a prerequistie for taking the CLP exam.

What option does a UOL graduate have if he fails to get a 2:2 and and cannot be accepted for the CLP? Continue with LLM? Do a full-time degree at another uni?


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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ Jul 23 2010, 04:12 PM)
Yeap i did. That's what i meant.
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Ok, good. Now get it in writing. Just in case.
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Is it the experience is important for those who want to be lawyer??
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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Aug 4 2010, 10:04 AM)
Hi
I am asking this question for a friend who is at his final year doing University of London external degree programme.
He did not do very well for his exams in his first and second years and he is worried that he might not be able to get a Second Lower (2:2) which is a prerequistie for taking the CLP exam.

What option does a UOL graduate have if he fails to get a 2:2 and and cannot be accepted for the CLP? Continue with LLM?  Do a full-time degree at another uni?
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He has a few options (non exhaustive obviously):

i) Take the LLM, though this is not really recommended. The LLM adds little value to your resume unless you are aiming for the editorial or education field. It is an academic exam/course. Further, for latter field, the colleges will require a min 2:2 grad.

ii) Be a paralegal. There are a few 3rd class Hons grads around that have become paralegals.

iii) Take the ICSA and be a corporate secretary

iv) Try to go into insurance. There are still quite a few new entrants in insurance making money. What you need is a good GM to guide you or join a good agency.

v) Pursue another degree depending on what he intends to do.


I do hope your friend secures a 2:2, life would be easier for him then.

(Edit) - It's probable that an LLM with a significant research component would be beneficial to paralegals.


QUOTE(Tierra @ Aug 5 2010, 10:23 AM)
Is it the experience is important for those who want to be lawyer??
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What experience are you referring to?

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QUOTE(Jayz0118 @ Jul 13 2010, 06:30 PM)
Thanks for the information, though would BM be used in written stuff such as documents?
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BM is used quite a lot for court documents. If you're going to do litigation then better brush up your BM.

In the corporate side, it's more English.

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