Arghh, exams starting this July, hope i can at least maintain a 60%.

Hi guys, first and foremost I would like to thank for the information in this thread. I have just graduated as an IB Diploma student and very interested to go for law in Australia for my undergraduate degree. As it is said on first page, in order to sit for the CLP examination in Malaysia after graduation, SPM and STPM qualifications or equivalent are required. However, since I left Malaysia 4 years ago and just graduated from an American-syallbus international school 1 month ago, I had never taken SPM or it's equivalent such as O-levels. Meanwhile, I am unsure whether or not my IB Diploma is considered as an equivalent for STPM or A-levels, although in most universities it should be. Does that mean I've failed to meet the pre-conditions and hence will not be eligible for the CLP examination after I graduate? If so, is there other ways for me to take the CLP exam in the future? I apologise if any of the questions above have been asked before. Any advise is welcome.

Thanks in advance!

there are many reasons why ppl do not enrol for the BPTC...but IELTS requirement?? That's the first time i've heard someone not considering the BPTC for the IELTS requirement. I did the IELTS and got 8.5...and comparatively, my overall level of English is quite average...seriously, there must be another reason for you to not consider it. Costs perhaps?

...And i'm pursuing the CLP atm, if cost is not a factor and you feel that the field of law is where you want to be in the not too distant future...pls, aim towards enrolling for the BPTC...

According to the Malaysian Qualification Agency (MQA). The International Baccalaureate Diploma is an equivalent to STPM/A-Levels.

Oh believe me, ielts is the only reason holding me back. ive taken it three times and failed to get the required score of 7.5 in all sections of ielts. i must say, it's pretty tough for me. and no, cost is not the problem, my parents are fully capable to finance the BPTC if i were to take it. oh well...

Hi there, thank you for your help (for the second time hehe). So if MQA considers IB Diploma as an equivalent to STPM, it basically means that I earned my STPM directly without taking SPM or O-levels.  Does anybody know if SPM or its equivalent is required for CLP exam as well or STPM (in my case IB Diploma) alone would be fine without taking the SPM?

You need SPM/O levels equivalent. That part of the requirements is not to be read disjunctively.

Thanks for the reply. It's a shame that my dream could be shattered simply because I do not have a SPM or equivalent degree despite the fact that I've earned a degree equivalent to STPM already. I might have to think of an alternative now.

u said u did the american syllabus right...sorry for my ignorance, but what is their o level equivalent? grade 12?

So their SPM equivalent should be Grade 12 I guess?
Here's the Full list of SPM and STPM Equivalents as determined by the MQA
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Hi, Im currently studying in form 4 and im gonna take SPM next year. I've recently locked 'lawyer' as my career choice but I have a few questions that has been bothering me...

1)Im very weak in Bahasa Melayu.... do I need to have excellent BM in order to study law and become a lawyer?

2)I told some of my friends that I might be a lawyer someday and some of them told me that the salary of a lawyer in Malaysia is very low....is that true? how much is the average salary of a lawyer?

Any help would be appreciated

1) well, u need to be decent in BM at least...because this IS Malaysia and it is always useful. If you're into litigation, then you need quite good BM especially in lower courts...If you appear before a judge who prefers BM...well..there you go. There are some lawyers who do use broken Malay in courts, it may work but if you're really bad, might irritate mr judge.

@vcj1992

recognition of any qualification for CLP purposes is by the LPQB, not the MQA. Though it is likely that the LPQB will follow the MQA, only a formal confirmation that the LPQB does so should be considered. Hence, send an email to the LPQB to ask whether your qualifications satisfy the requirements and do inform us...

Hi there, i'll post it here once i get the answer. however, i dunno if it is just me but I wasn't able to find LQPB email. anyone know their email or is there anyone else i can contact? not sure if malaysian bar would help. do advise if possible.

Thanks for the information, though would BM be used in written stuff such as documents?

Read the 1st page of this thread.

Dunno if it is just me but as i did before i only managed to find their phone numbers and address. I'm not in Malaysia currently I guess I can only call them when I am back few weeks later. Will get back to the thread once I get my answer. Thanks there.

If you do it well...any sector can pay well.

What programme are you doing, alsree786?

what course are you doing at BAC? not sure whether you've stated this before...apologise if you have. DTP I presume.

I know for a fact that for a certain law prog, the BAC lecturers do give their students the exam questions beforehand.

(a)Lecturer's problem
Firstly, i can tell you, some lecturers do like to chit chat and talk nothing relevant in the class though i have not experienced any but i heard a lot from my friends.
Hmmm, Lecturers crapping CLP in class? thats interesting. Who is that? 

lol...Even Taylors law school, i know one lecturer teaching Public law and Common Law Reasoning, he gives everything they need and read from the note.( is that the so called 'guideline'?His favourite is not teaching law but a motivational talk instead.

Every schools have got good and bad lecturers. Depending on how you interpret and whats a 'good' lecturer in your mind. For me, a good lecturer can make law as a lively subject. A Professor in Uni of Reading may know many thing in and out for law, but he may not be a good lecturer as in the way he presents leads us to the mindset that law is boring.

Regardless, undeniably, BAC has some lecturers which is just not up to the par in my view but not much?( Who am i to judge them right?)Another thing, in relation with lecturer teaching or answering the wrong thing, just tell them ! As i did last time but the lecturer does not seem to be liking me.I experienced once last year, where it was an unforgivable mistake. Anyway, he has now improved and i think he is now doing great, or at least, better.

(b) Guideline?

Are you saying, in BAC, they didnt give you a guideline? Ermm, as for me, my lecturers do give us guideline which i dislike it. Means we are following them and we are on the right track? This makes law such a dull and dry course ! To a certain extent if i really lost, i will open my mouth and ask for 'guideline'.

Without a doubt,to my mind, spoon feeding is almost a culture in Malaysia. Be it ATC, BAC, KDU, Taylors or HELP, depending on whats spoon feeding to you.
In UK, you will also notice the lecturers will not be teaching everything but whatever is covered in your exams too. Of course, no Q and A. That doesnt mean they aiming you to only pass, right? Same goes to what happened to you, you can stand out of the crowd. You do not need to follow the so called Q&A ( just get to know what topic is likely to come out is more than sufficient).

If you asked those academicians from Northumbria, Cardiff, Abersywyth and so on, you will be surprised whats their reaction when they realised we actually have 3 hours per lecture. For them, this is spoon feeding.

Do it your own way. I did it for my first year and so can you. But i agree with you, they need to improve. Giving out questions is definitely not the way. I have also told the management. Hopefully they will do something about it especially now they having more UK universities entering in partnership with them. In order to achieve a higher standard, scrutiny process is needed instead of just merely to pass students. That culture should not even be in existence.

P/S:I attended Prof. Wayne Morrison lectures and he is of the opinion that, BAC students are more creative as compared to others.Maybe thats the effect of not giving 'guidelines'? We as a student,law student, should have done research on our own. The lecturers know about those recent development in law but they might not have told us. I once read some recent developments, and i went on to ask them, you will be surprise they know it more than i have found with their own opinion and analysis. They are happy with us doing more researches.