Hi, last time bros all suggest me to put amp with 1 component set. Front and backdoor coaxials. at the rear is 6x9 speakers. and 1 amp. I wan to noe why after i put amp d the sound when on loud loud still gt abit broken? Is it the amp not enuf power or my power reach maximum potential ady? pls explain to me.

This post has been edited by Axory: Jun 6 2008, 10:47 PM

simple, ur gain of ur amp is too high. ur speaker can't take it. Tune it down a little. Another thing is ur HU, when u turn it up to 80% or more of the of max volume, distortion will be high at that point. Normally ppl set loudest lvl around 70-75%, lower the risk of extra distortion. If u use hi end stuffs like McIntosh, Nakamichi, Alpine F1 or something like dat, this situation most likely won't happen. Hope this info helps.

y not?

neva say wun happen but most likely wun happen....

would like to know the reason why u say tat statement.

This post has been edited by bafukie: Jun 7 2008, 03:26 PM

hi end has better eq, less thd, more snr, better x-overs, gain regulator, stable power supplies, and lots of different technology to improve sound. basically hi end r made for top class sound reproduction all round low to hi volume, not for bad sound. can ask those hi end icer, will they tolerate broken sound in their system... less likely.

ur not answering the question. I am asking based on ur statement u made. U were saying High End stuff most likely wun distort @ 70-75% max. What was ur basis of saying that?

Technology? kenot be.... Mcintosh MX 406 is 12 years technology.

'better eq, less thd, more snr, better x-overs, gain regulator, stable power supplies'

kenot be also.... mcintosh dun have eq nor x-over. Nakamichi and Alpine F1 deck also same.... no eq no x-over. How can tat contribute to distortion anyway?

might enlighten me?

every sound system in the world had their limit fren...understand n tune it to the optimum high volume n njoy..

er.... gt guide that can teach me to tune it? i willing to learn

ok la bafukie, i surrender, u win... everything can distort... happy? i'm juz making statements blindly... apologize to u, my greatness... u enlighten me la. wasting my time arguing.

tuning usually requires a lot of experience, and everybody's ear is different, so diff tuning suits diff ppl.

im not arguing with u. I juz wanna know to learn more.

hehe... no matter what you own... distortion is inevitable... that is why o-scoping is the first thing you must do once your stuff has been run-in... or better still, once it is installed...

all hi end stuffs r built to minimize distortion to produce great sound. If they also distort, why buy hi end anyway? U pay for the built technology. Using complex circuitry and some hi end electrodes, capacitors, transistors or watever u name it, the result is brilliant sound. Even if they distort, they will keep it to minimal.

and what has amp SNR THD has to do with drivers distortion ?

i dunno... try ask bafukie. He knows better. and THD stands for wat??

no need ask me geh... ask google can liao

THD: Total Harmonic Distortion

Total Harmonic Distortion:
When an amplifier is driven with a signal, the output of the amplifier is an amplified version of the input signal PLUS any distortion created by the amplifier. All amplifiers and signal processors add distortion to the signal. The levels of harmonic distortion in a high quality amplifiers are sooooo far below audibility that they are basically of no concern. When someone tells you that one amplifier is definitely going to sound better because its THD is rated at .002% vs an amp with .05%, you can be pretty sure that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Many people believe that THD below 1% is not audible and I believe they're probably correct. The fact is, especially in an automobile, the amplifier is the least of your worries. Speakers used for mids and highs commonly produce between 1% an 5% THD and for subwoofers the numbers can easily reach 10%. This doesn't even take into account all of the resonances of all of the plastic and metal panels in the vehicle.

no matter its lower end, middle end or highest end will distort at a certain limit capabilities of the products. In short distortion occur when u jeopardise your speakers. To avoid distortion, match ur amp rating with ur comps requirement(norm refer to RMS for exact but there is a max output) but nowadays the spec is not 100% can be trust.

Proper matching is very important.

then i gt 1 more question. Wat song u all usually play to set ur tuning?

songs that u r familar with. Getting some reference cd is good like Usher Demo Cd/Focal Jmlab Cd/ Sheffield Recording. etc

u posted the answer and yet u can't explain why..
u might as well as refrain from posting to confuse more noobs

i used my favourite songs and mayb prefereable cd's..but its hard to tune for all type of songs....i mostly listen female vocal, instrument of guitar & piano....but recently i try bought saxaphone cd but unfortunate my comps cant perform.....

ya rite... sorry to confuse 'noobs' ya... I'm far too noob to give any statement. so pls forgive me, driftmeister. Have a nice day and try to enlighten us noob, master.

just started to be interested in car audio, but i see this word ICE all around, someone pls enlighten me on this.. thanks

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Added on June 8, 2008, 11:12 pmin car entertainment !!! hahaha.. finally saw it ! pls ignore my question , thanks

This post has been edited by spartacvs: Jun 8 2008, 11:12 PM

ICE = in-car entertainment...

welcome to the club, spartacvs.

This post has been edited by ckmoy007: Jun 9 2008, 03:25 AM

Well, I guess everyone has stated their opinion here and this is what I have in mind regarding the thread in general.

There 2 ways to achieve good sound quality.

1. Splash tonnes of cash on expensive stuff and believe everything that is written on the papers. eg. THD, SNR, RMS, etc etc.

2. Believing your own ears.


I would lean towards no.2 more than no.1

As my explanation may not be lengthy and technical. I myself have an argument months ago which is to go for Class D vs Class AB amps. Monster Cable vs normal cables.

Sometimes, it's not just about the high-end producers or the words written on the paper. If they say it's 0.05%THD. How would you know? 0.05%THD vs 0.10%THD. Can you really notice the difference?

It's just 0.05PERCENT.

believe your ears.

Edit : bafukie taught me this.

This post has been edited by kenlimfornication: Jun 9 2008, 12:31 PM

ICE is a totally different art compare to home-audio. Home-audio very simple like you buy the max within your budget & install it in a square quiet air-cond room using book-shelf or floor-standing speakers depending on your 'taste' of sound. ICE setup 1st you will need to specify type of car, enclosure type for sub in relation to boot space, hardware you have or plan to purchase & the type of music you frequently listen to. If you can't make up yur mind as the above than just plonk a system between $1,200 to $1,800 for a semua-boleh system which will compromise most music.

come to my place at gombak area...i can share wit u my knowlegde..tht i know loh... lol

yeap...sounds is subjective
yeap..xpensive means great build quality..
ths 1 ezy setup for beginners..new tech
dont get down bro...i know u r guud..

thanks for your support, dirsly... peace

wah..... i oso duno u all talking wat..... pls sum1 can teach me tune amp or any guide?

The lower the THD % the better?

ya, lower distortion. lower is better.

i wan ask, does HU affect the sound quality? I mean like Kenwood Hu n Pioneer HU produce the same quality?

every HU produces different quality, and HU does affect SQ a lot... Can't compare Kenwood and pioneer juz like dat. But i think mid end Kenwood and pioneer almost the same, but pioneer sure leads the hi end.

Have to check with my 'hairy' friend here whose walking on '4' name Pluto, get back to you later.

Where can I order HU? I go the accessories shop but they say cant order wan wor....

maybe try contacting howie choo or yohannes... they got lots of HU.

wat do u mean u wanna 'order' HU? getting something not available in malaysia?

becoz pioneer 4050ub is very rare n expensive HU. So they dun order alot.

4050ub rare and expensive..... i seriously doubt tat

=.= i reli sry my english very char.... i duno hw to use da word.... da rare n expensive for me means this is like limited n da shop fella dont order many. so very fast finish...

This post has been edited by Axory: Jun 13 2008, 10:28 PM

can be patience and keep checking forums to see if anyone selling the model u wan.

yes...there is a lot...just find 1 tht suits u...

My opinion on this is if it's for a limited budget setup(below $1.2K), HU will not have much audible difference if you purchase entry level 'Branded' sets below $450, unless you want an option for future upgrades.

yes....plan hw long u wanna use ur car<vehicle>

It doesn't really matter how long you use the car. Uninstallation only takes a few hours only.

Edit : Uninstallation of full system only takes a few hours. Uninstallation of HU takes max 20mins.

so why care about how long you want to use the car?

This post has been edited by kenlimfornication: Jun 16 2008, 02:28 PM

quote frm moby<---c future upgrade...if plan to sell ur vehicle just buy a budget 1...otherwise the resale value wil down n ts wil lost his own fund..

If plan to sell your vehicle, just remove your ICE, and install in the new vehicle.

Simple as that.

To purchase budget ones, then sell of the car with the ICE then start all over again, wouldn't it be another waste of money?

just my suggest only lor...u can said ur suggestion to man...

LOL.... i am curious only... my uncle car hav oni 5 1/2 lousy speakers at front n rear but his HU is pioneeer 3050. The sound quality produce seem to over limit of the speaker from wat i hear. Very few distortion.

This post has been edited by Axory: Jun 16 2008, 06:33 PM

great hu... find 1 sets guud component speaker...n cheers...if gotmore money.. gud 4 channel amp