The most overrated footballer in England is...........

This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 6 2008, 04:57 PM

1st vote.

2nd vote.

Theo Walcott's not on the list. Still young though, but Sven's decision to include him in the World Cup squad still baffles me to this day. Defoe would have been a way better choice to bring.

Morten Gamst Pedersen and David Bentley!

Ashley Cole all the way. He's always thinking he's right every time. Sheh..

no arsenal player ?? , bias ni

i think the proper thread name is most overrated english footballers.....
that's y no arsenal players beside walcott

If I'm not mistaken, the maximum number of options is 15 and English footballers should be more than 9


Anyway, Ashley Cole (rationally and emotionally )

no darren bent..he should be the no 1.

Most overrated players in england = players who play in england, not necessarily English players only therefore.......

Florent Malouda

There's no most overrated, every English players are overrated

The title is misleading and I apologize, basically the most overrated English footballers

it not just a player,all about British football are overrated

NOPE you're wrong, Dagenham & Red isn't overrated, that's why they are in the lower divisions

english players is overpriced la that's why overrated. am i rite? hahaha...
darren bent 16.5m?
villa asking 18m for gareth barry?

Other clubs in Europe buys players with almost the same price tag what

England team are overrated...

The entire Man Utd team is overrated.

yeah, even whole team of Man Utd is overrated. they won UCL & BPL this season coz other team under perform or their best player injured. what a luck eh?

how can u say the entire MAN U team is overated when they win the UEFA CHampions League and the BPL?

i'm joking dude. ever heard the word "sarcasm"?

yeah they are overated by many Asian,many ppl believe MU is the great/best team in the world but MU is not in top 5 succesfull club in Europe (according to UEFA Champions League record) and even they still behind Liverpool in EPL title

just go to China and ask 100 ppl which club is the best in the world and i bet 90 of them answer MU

and the other 10 are liars

well, i may put walcott and king
walcott is good but yet to reach his potential.. his football philosophy is always kick and run.. if he put more in his game, then he may become next legend.. he is still young anyway, more room to improve

hmm..you sounded like a frustrated non MU fan, anyways they were the best around THIS season.

theo walcott = aaron lennon

This post has been edited by sirnanzy: Jun 5 2008, 02:05 PM

so? that's what peoples claim, not the club. only 1 title behind liverpool. 10 titles in EPL history while liverpool 0. in europe yeah, we are still behind many top clubs n i hope the recent UCL success is the stepping stone for us to challenge and win more titles. every club has it time, even ur Barca rite now not that great compare to 2 years back. i dun see people claim Barca overrated. when MU won the UCL, many said they are overrated. "MU win coz juventus not there, Messi's injured, other team under perform." and many more. it's not like we deserved to win. what about porto 2004? we could have won against them in 2nd round, (i said 2nd round, not the title) but scholes is ruled offside for his 2nd goal. but if we can defend until last minute, not conceded the porto's last minute goal, maybe we can go further. it's in the past, so no need to argue. just to point out something.

bro, isnt this the common theme in football, club A wins fans from club B will say its a fluke and so on, club B wins fans from club A would do the same as well

yeah, i know but what i meant is, when MU win, alot of people claim we dun deserve it. when Arse(BPL), Che(BPL), Pool(UCL) win it, suddenly they deserve it. i dun care at all as long as we win titles.

stop the OT here:

let's continue about overrated english player whatever.

lol, i know one more; frikkin nigel reo coker

One last thing; I think you'll find that a lot of people are saying our win in Istanbul was lucky and that AC Milan deserved to win. Don't make it out as though the whole world is against you. Ask anyone to see if I'm right about what I said.

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Added on June 5, 2008, 2:57 pmDave Nugent deserves a shout. Have no idea how he made the national team. Shows you how short of targetmen England is.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jun 5 2008, 02:57 PM

A number pf players mentioned above should really be on that list. Bent for sure, just slipped my mind I guess

my vote goes to A.cole..

d.bent n nugent oso

what about m.carrick?

nope. at that time, liverpool really deserved to win. why? coz they fought hard and scored 3 goals in 2nd half. that also i support liverpool to win as EPL fans. well, i guess, a lot of people love AC Milan that time. hahaha... ok la duke. back to topic.

darrent bent actually overpriced, not overrated. he played well for crappy charlton team. score alot of goals but his price tag, GBP16.5m, less playing time @ spurs makes him overrated. so, overpriced lead to overrated. huhuhu...

england really lack of targetman. after shearer, no one really shine. emile heskey not that good. peter crouch? he has height but if he as tough as Jan Koller or Zigic maybe can be better.

carrick? yeah, he is overpriced but not overrated. i dun see people praise him like god or something. well, at least for me. other people got other opinion based on what they saw.

This post has been edited by jackdante22: Jun 5 2008, 03:57 PM

I thought about Carrick but seeing as he can't make the England squad he is actually quite underrated, a much better player than Barry in my opinion.

Andrew Johnson

Are you f***ing kidding me? Michael Carrick overrated?

Do you even know how to watch football?

Ashley Cole might be hated, but he's not entirely overrated. As a Man United fan, I can tell you that 9 times out of 10 Cristiano Ronaldo CANNOT dribble past Ashley Cole. That's why during the UCL final, they played Ronaldo against Essien knowing that it's tough to get past Ashley Cole. And it paid off quite well in the first half until Ronaldo failed to track Essien which led to the goal by Lampard.

But seriously...Michael Carrick overrated? You've got to be kidding me.

Just because Carrick doesn't do flashy dribbling moves, or he doesn't score very often doesn't mean he's overrated. If you have any footballing sense at all, you will realise just how important Carrick is to Manchester United.

Do you ever notice how Carrick always tracks back to help his defenders? Do you ever notice how he always wins the ball in midfield? Have you ever seen how brilliant his passing can be?

I doubt you do, people with no footballing sense like you talk as if you're a football expert. Have you seen his stellar display versus Columbia in the 2006 World Cup? Many England pundits are at lost as to why Carrick is not being selected.

Open up your eyes man, and don't say stupid things.

great season with Crystal Palace but cannot continue his form with Everton. same to James Beattie.

ashley cole not overrated, he is a good left back actually.

if u guys ever played CM 01/02, Titus Bramble kinda overrated in that game, Micheal Chopra also.

England has too many good Central Midfielder but in other area... u know la.

This post has been edited by jackdante22: Jun 5 2008, 04:27 PM

liverpool was once overrated, that was when they're the king of europe.
then it was notthingham forest. and chelsea under jose mourinho...is it?
in between chelsea, there is mu
how about the over-performing arsenal with less result to show?

conclusion, any english team that had conquered the bpl and europe over and over (minus chelsea)
are overrated, huh??
btw, at the rate mu is going, it's only a matter of time before they catch up with the rest.

of the list above, ashley cole is overrated.
but bent and barry should make it to the list.

chill bro, im asking. Cant u see the question mark? why u so agry ...maybe u got pheochromocytoma or ur menses is coming

This post has been edited by vutsi: Jun 5 2008, 04:27 PM

So are Barcelona overrated then judging from the fact that their record in Europe is piss poor as well?

Man Utd this season are the best team in Europe. There's no two ways about it. But before any MU fan gets too cocky about it let me say that things can change pretty quickly in football.

dude, no need to react like this..

for A.Cole, i do think he's overrated since his transfer from Arsenal to Chelsea. he perform much better then (just my personal opinion, chelsea fans can give better judgement since they watch him more).

for carrick, overprice, yes...overrated, no. this thread is about overrated, not overprice. i personally think players like gerrard, rooney and lampard are overrated during international. they just cant bring their club form to international.

What do you mean by "It's only a matter of time before they (MU) catch up with the rest"?

I don't see how you can say Ashley Cole is overrated, refer to my post above. Even though I'm a Man United fan, I dare to say that Ashley Cole is an excellent left back.

Many have praised him for successfully shutting down Cristiano Ronaldo over the past few years. Like I said, 9 times out of 10, even Cristiano Ronaldo cannot dribble past Ashley Cole. So care to explain why is he overrated?

And what's the deal with Gareth Barry? He is good, simple as that. I remember watching England vs Russia at Wembley and Gareth Barry played superbly well. He has done exceptionally well for Aston Villa, played well for England, so how the hell can he be overrated? Did you watch England vs USA? He came on as a substitute and his first touch was to deliver a great pass for Steven Gerrard to score.

Care to explain?

menstrual period i guess? why you getting all cooked up? can see the big ? or maybe he didnt put it big enough

Ashley Cole did so much better at Arsenal. The football there allowed him to push forward more often and showed his flair as a attacking left back. Piss poor move career-wise, but I'm sure he and Cheryl will argue that the move to Chelsea is paying their bills.

I think the reason Rooney doesn't perform as well during International matches is because England's midfield usually under performs. In Manchester United he has a great midfield behind him, but it's just not the same in England. Gerrard and Lampard simply cannot play together in international matches.

Kinda like how people say Ballack and Lampard cannot play together in Chelsea's midfield. It's a fact that Ballack scores more when Lampard is not playing and vice versa, looks like having 2 excellent players does not always equal success if they can't play with each other.

This post has been edited by Desvaro: Jun 5 2008, 04:46 PM

If one player can only perform well against a certain player, but somehow tend to suck against the rest, and considering how highly touted he once was, if you dont call that overrated, i rest my case.

AND, have you seen Laurent Robert play? wow he's brilliant in say 2 out of 10 matches, so he's an all time great already?

This post has been edited by sirnanzy: Jun 5 2008, 04:46 PM

You first paragraph refers to Ashley Cole?

China is due to marketing strategy by having Dong Fang Zhou in the team
being successful besides getting trophy is also a credit for the team..

No, I was talking about George Best, =.=

Liverpool deserve to win la bro even i support Milan in the final,not many team cant win after 0-3 but Liver`s spirit and Rafa genius tactic make they deserve to lift the cup

lolz,here also want to continue Barca - Madrid,we in English overrate discussion thread la bro,if u really interested discuss about Barca=overated just go and open Most overrated football in Spain thread

haha another disco333 thread which is think is le arse team alwiz the best....
y there is no arsenal player?
only 2 reason.
1. no english player
2. only theo walcott....which is most overrated in my opinion...
so many year but stil make little impact to the team...even wenger says that...even gallas the "marvellous" captain admit he is easy to predict...

You didn't answer my question. I wasn't trying to incite any Barca-Madrid rivalry. I'm just saying based on what you said the same would apply to Barca wouldn't it?

All I'm trying to imply is that the way you judge Man Utd as overrated is ridiculous.

At least learn how to comprehend what I'm saying before replying back to me.

This post has been edited by verx: Jun 5 2008, 04:57 PM

seriously what do you expect from an 18 year old? win the BPL and the UCL single handedly?

I don't see how what you have said has anything to do with Barca-Madrid rivalry. Nothing close at all.

And to say the way he judges Man United as overrated is ridiculous is like calling Sean Kingston fat - a severe understatement

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Added on June 5, 2008, 5:01 pmI feel sorry for Theo Walcott.

Because Arsenal lost to Liverpool in the Champions League, many have forgotten his great run that led to Adebayor's goal.

I look forward to seeing Theo Walcott produce some magic, though I think that might take a while

This post has been edited by Desvaro: Jun 5 2008, 05:01 PM

Like Ashley Cole, its hard to remember Theo Walcott play 1 excellent game when he plays like crap in the other 9 games

You have a good point, playing good in one game is not enough, consistency is important as well.

He scored a brace against Birmingham but the game ended up 2-2, with Eduardo's injury and Gallas' crybaby stunt at the centre circle taking up all the headlines. Then when he produces a moment of magic against Liverpool and basically lays it on the plate for Adebayor to score, they lose. Pity really.

Walcott, he's improving but he'll need time to be England's regular starter.

Exactly. And that understatement was done on purpose. I could have used a more appropriate word but I didn't want to insult the poor guy any further.

England you say? he'd do well to get into the starting rotation on the Arsenal squad for starters let alone think about England.

No doubt walcott is improving...but how long does he need to take to develope?
3 or 4 more year?
a good player dun spent much of time on the bench....please dun consider the age here....
when he was signed ppl was expecting another wayne rooney....even me too...
yes he did do some mesmerizing run...but in my opinion he have to perform more...if he do success...i believe le arse will no filled up by bunch of foreigner...arsene wenger will put more trust on english player wif higher tag price...

What're you talking bout?

Why TS put Rio Ferdinand in the poll? Why he is overrated? Because MU win consecutive BPL & this season UCL? What area did Rio Ferdinand overrated? Why John Terry, Carragher, Toure (oh wait, he's not English) not in the poll?

for sirnany...
what i mean here is....if walcott really blossom in arsenal...mr.wenger should put more trust on other english player with a higher price tag...
coz wenger policy for not buying english player with high price tag...
sorry for my noob english thou...make u confuse a bit...
anyway yeah he is man united hater....come into man united hugging his 49match unbeaten run+ manunited end that run trophy and merepek there..

hahaha... that's what i thought. too many names on the list should not be there. dun put based on personal preference. established player like Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Owen are not overrated. haih... TS is Arse fans, that's why he create this topic coz not many English player played there.

i think we better rate the player not the team right here which could start a flame war. For me all english players are overrated as the media in UK always do mention about them. D.Bent for 16M, Rio for 30M, Carrick 16M, all these crazy price tag actually certainly overprice doesn't mean overrated..

i think overrated means by people's perception and by publicity..

finally some1 said this,one of true meaning of overrated here...probably the best definition to it
page 1 - 3...i dont know why liv,arsenal,mu,barcelona etc etc clubs are involved
all debating arguing off topic issues

honestly..those that has been watching football for years
the perception of football has been changing over time......it goes up n up n up n up....nv goes down
if we talk about england players that is overrated....
in sense of price,for sure its Darren Bent top my list
Publicity?
Perception?high expectations?...its for sure youngsters of england has a high expectations,high perception of quality players(walcott perhaps?) thus some may take it as overrated youngsters,when they dont see the youngsters succeed quickly
i dont think barry/cole/carrick is overrated....
if the 6+5 or whatever policy is implemented.... price of england players especially the 1st eleven might go up,all clubs will then start to practise hard to sell own nationality players

u guys ask yourself 1st,what do you mean by overrated in your mind...before start debating off topic issues,keep your clubs to yourself

if you ask me....i prefer to say the salary of certain footballers is overrated
certain footballers really earn insanely disgusting money if you ask me, and yet some of them still can go bangkrupt....

david beckham.. some may say:pop star of british football?
even at his age,look how much is he earning at the galaxy club..how much US clubs are willing to pay
im not saying bekcham is not a good player....but he is just doing what a middfielder is currently doing
nothing,and he earns a bomb
darren bent is earnning a bomb,rotting at bench
how fun is his life in sense of earnning money..

This post has been edited by Quick`: Jun 5 2008, 06:18 PM

Well said, from the replies here its so obvious that people are judging from the team they support. Title kinda misleading tho, I thot players in BPL not English players. Nevertheless, Stevie G, Rio, John Terry, Lampard, Rooney,Cole, Becks, Owen were never overrated. I guess the poll consists too many England regular starter. They are many other English players that overpaid yet under perform

Uh, I think thats called overpaid. So if Darren Bent hasnt got any ability, do you think the Spurs would have signed him in the first place?

AND by overrating it means you are overestimating the ability of one player to actually perform on the pitch, not the amount of money he receives to play on the pitch.

Finally someone came up and said it.

True meaning of overrated, not true ? The best so far

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Added on June 5, 2008, 6:50 pmTake it this way - The team overrate the player, hoping he'll do magic for the team, thus paying him high salary, so it causes overpaid. Overrated leads to overpaid when the player doesnt deliver. Haha sorry for my babbling

This post has been edited by mizivincible: Jun 5 2008, 06:50 PM

uh the team overpays the player, hence leading to high expectations or OVERESTIMATION of the player's ability (after all pay alot sure geng la), when the player doesnt perform, that leads to people calling that certain player overrated. get it?

how does a team actually overrates a player? in Darren Bents case he was scoring his socks off for Charlton before moving on, so did the club overrate him?he earned his current contract for his performance in the season before, therefore you couldnt say the club actually overrated his ability, because he justified that ability and thats why they signed him to that large contract.

This post has been edited by sirnanzy: Jun 5 2008, 07:00 PM

Tottenham bought him for 16m to warm the bench?
Absolutely overrated.

i dont know, maybe you ask spurs?
why is he rotting at the bench instead of playing regularly at every match
and for them to pay 16m pounds for him..i suppose they had gone through the perception stage..perceiving that is he a good player....thus willing to pay that sum of money for him
but in the end,not using him

Uh can i not repeat what I just said? What you think the Spurs plucked Darren Bent randomly from somewhere and paid a 16 million transfer fee for him?

Most overrated footballers in England? - Ashley Cole.

TS, you can edit the title by editing the first post.

maybe bent will become great asset after 2-3 seasons.. remember rio.. 30M but i dont think he impress in first two season..

Ashley cole...~~After transfer to Chelsea, din hear him that much already...less attention on him from media than his time at Arsenal...

United fans really seem to be taking this personally aren't they, can't say I expected anything more from them but hey.

As for Walcott, take into consideration that he is only 19. He hasn't been overrated by anyone either, everyone has been voicing their disappointment with his development. The reason for that is because he burst into the media spotlight after a big money move and an international call up before even kicking a premiership ball.

This season he has been eased into the side with sub appearances and the occasional start. Towards the end of the season he has begun to show some originality in his play, he no longer just pushes the ball and runs. He has a much more measured approach and one thing that everyone has to admit is that he is a natural finisher. Put him in a one on one situation and he will score for you.

Name me a English player who is 19 and better than Theo at the moment. As for your argument that he does not play enough to be taken seriously, I ask you how many players that age start for a top four side in England, Spain, Italy etc. Wenger does not want to rush him in and neither would any top manager.

The reason that Wenger doesn't buy English player is because an average English player would cost �15 million upwards and a good English player would cost �30 million upwards. For example, if Nasri were English he would cost double what he cost now. Look at it this way, Wenger built his entire squad for less than the amount United paid for one Wayne Rooney. He doesn't sign English players not because he doesn't trust them but because they are overpriced.

They are just being bitter..Ignore...Dun start any war...
If u guys are to get Ramsey, years later, they will say Ramsey overated even though they are one of the bidders...
That's what they called Torres(spanish girl) after failed to sign him...

Get used to it man..

most overated ENGLSIH player or player in ENGLAND??
got different meaning!!

y rooney go so much vote....he is good...haha

Uh Micah Richards? Alexandre Pato?

and I wonder whats the to be bitter about after winning the league and the Champions League...

This post has been edited by sirnanzy: Jun 5 2008, 07:46 PM

The latter.....which mean u can put in the likes of elano,giovanni and so on...



He got a hot gf but he is not handsome...

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Added on June 5, 2008, 7:47 pmWOW!!!
I suggest u go to check ur eyes...
footballers in ENGLAND...

Pato is playing in italy man...dun simply hantam hantam increase post count...

This post has been edited by Jason_T: Jun 5 2008, 07:47 PM

You named two players! Wow, you must be some sort of genius!!

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Added on June 5, 2008, 7:49 pmBesides one doesn't even play in England


This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 5 2008, 07:49 PM

I m damn bitter cos I cant get the same english standard u have now...MOST= 1...and u gave 2 which 1 of them is NOT PLAYING in ENGLAND...is either u cant understand simple english or u need spec?

I'm even BITTER to know that U HAVE BETTER FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE that everyone here dont have....
cos

WE NEVER KNOW PATO PLAY IN ENGLAND....

This post has been edited by Jason_T: Jun 5 2008, 07:52 PM

oh wow you could read, and it would do you more good to read properly and thoroughly =.=

Yawnsss talk about douches
Name me a English player who is 19 and better than Theo at the moment. --> Micah Richards
I ask you how many players that age start for a top four side in England, Spain, Italy etc. --> Alexandre Pato


This post has been edited by sirnanzy: Jun 5 2008, 07:53 PM

Huh, are you lost for words? If so it's best to say nothing at all

yes i can say Man Utd is the best this season but i said Man Utd is overrated bcos their fan in China always believe MU is the best and no club can beat MU,MU is overrated by it fan,even i`m Barca fan i never say Barca is the best in the world bcos i know what they can do,the problem in Barca`s overated is always begin with Catalan`s paper which they always overated the team especially when we have many star(the latest is Fantastic Four),and it also happen to Madrid if you remember,i mean by Galaticos which win nothing until last season,all paper always overate their home team but what happen in MU case is they are overated by it fan especially in Asia,i say like this bcos if u remember(or watching) UCL draw for 2007/2008 season the Astro show fan prediction and as i remember many ppl in China predict MU will win in final with 3-0,4-0 and even some guys said 5-0,they talking like MU is in 1st class and the rest is in 2nd @ 3rd class,that why i said MU is overated

and WOW you could read as well...and it would properly do you better if you stop posting junks post to increase ur post counts...been browsing all ur posts...and quite surprise that u din get any warning?
alien2003's heng tai again?

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Added on June 5, 2008, 7:55 pmGot time also go learn how to quote in forum...dun waste ur time talking nonsense and add some workload to ur fellow bro, alien2003 la...



This post has been edited by Jason_T: Jun 5 2008, 07:55 PM

I didnt even bothered to quote after all talking to people who cant read properly is like talking to cows anyway, so i rest my case

Didn't bother* not Didn't even bothered...and hell yeah, i guess u juz dunno HOW TO QUOTE, arent u?Dun paiseh la...juz admit it man!
Eff~ translating from Mandarin...Oh gosh...Please...please stop saying other people cant read properly?Mirror urself eh...Dui Niu Tan Qin?Talking to cows?1st time see people make such comparison..Bravo...Nice english... SALUTE!

This post has been edited by Jason_T: Jun 5 2008, 08:03 PM

Firstly comparing Richards and Walcott is just stupid as they don't even play in the same position, how on earth you have worked out that Richards is better is beyond me. Besides, Walcott is a year younger than Richards

Fine you named Pato, that's one. Not many more are there

is it Chinese peribahasa,what it mean

ROONEY is wayyy overrated..

it is chinese proverb....is like telling something that the other will never going to understand..

my mistake,i did not read your post on this part...red only on the earlier ones,my apologies



if thats the case, then spurs had probably done 1 mistake
which they fail to identify that if bent would play good football for them
which is very common in many clubs....
hmm,maybe bent was brilliant for smaller clubs..but not as good as he seem at bigger clubs
but could this fall under the category of overrated error mistake done by spurs?well, it could be..

Uh some retard talking? again, I wouldnt waste my time talking to someone who cant even understand simple vocab, so if you want to keep on straying out of topic, keep it up. =)

Considering how he was benched after some really bland performances, maybe he is, its the same case with Bobby Zamora after all.

@disco333: you asked me to name one player thats 19, technically Richards still is, so i named one, and I did said in previous posts you cant expect much from an 18 year old.

This post has been edited by sirnanzy: Jun 5 2008, 08:10 PM