i earned every single piece of my epics
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/characte...%27Thos&n=Ulala
nah go have a look, any 1 who knows me knows how hard i pushed to get my gear unlike you

lol@me i have pally shoulders

and u still feel damn proud of ur achievements based on time

btw i think everyone shud stop argueing, will get everyone no where....totally out of topic, but king friendly suggestion, find a guild that's in ssc/tk, and raiding time starts like around 8pm or 9pm local time??

Ya, raiding takes time, and at days I raid till 2am even its weekdays, yet, there's a price to pay if you wanna be leet =/ So it really depends on individual if you're willing to sacrifice some of your sleep time, or time for TV/family for raiding, or the other way round....

Remember when Mags was hard?

Poor Mag, nerfed to the ground.

I honestly thought he just needed some better loot, other than T4 chestpieces and maybe the Eye of Magtheridon, the rest of his loot weren't that great.

Plus now that you only need one group of clickers, I get ZERO dps time ):

Now I just do Mags for a shot at the 20slotbag 

Don't you just love threads that go on and on and on and...

King83: You seem to be able to do your homework when it comes to tanking especially with all the Effective Health references you made, but for someone who has nothing to do in the game besides do heroics, Karazhan and Zul'aman you have terribly shit gear and I wouldn't even think of recruiting you when you don't have a single piece of badge gear. Based on your posts so far you seem to only play within a very small circle of bads despite Nagrand being an oceanic server. Play better, make more friends in-game to get you into better runs, get more gear. Doesn't even take as long as raiding. Get out of that well you're squatting in.

As for all the Tanks>Healers>DPS, DPS>Tanks=Healers, whatever talk...

Aren't you guys overestimating yourselves *just* a little?

It takes a group effort from everyone to be successful in raids. Everyone has an equal share of accountability especially past Tier 5 content. Once the effort stops, the suck starts. I don't mean the kind of 'effort' that you put into doing your house chores either, but the kind that you put in when you do enjoy doing something and doing it well.

For the longest time tanks and healers had the most boring jobs in the game. There are plenty of tanks and healers out there who are taken for granted, especially since you consider the amount of people who took up those roles out of necessity to the guild, or friends begging/bugging them to. I'm happy to know a few of them who are good at what they do and genuinely love it, which is why it sucks that the raids must go on and it's sometimes difficult to give them a DPS holiday because of it. Whats the most dangerous mindset a tank or healer could have? IMO, the kind of tank or healer that has a sense of entitlement because they think they're doing the guild "a service" by playing a non-DPS role in raids. That's a dead end for player improvement, but it happens a lot because they're in role that is mostly a thankless job.

Compare that to any DPS class. How often do you hear a rogue b**** about how boring his class is during raids? Mage? Warlock? Despite the common ratio of tanks to healers to DPS being somewhere around 1:7:17 to 3:9:13 which means more loot competition for DPS, DPS is in a comparatively fun and attractive role compared to a tank or a healer. Don't pull aggro, enjoy the more engaging and less stressful role you have in fights, and... I can't even think about what else a DPS has to do. f*** all.

It's a group effort, but when you look at a raids expectations of a tank, a healer, and a DPS, you bet your ass that the raid expects a DPS to give more than 100%. Losing a heavily invested DPS sucks, but so does losing anyone with so much gear that the guild helped them get. Equal accountability, different expectations.

King, you are a tanker, easy mode to get instance invite.
MY guild raid MH yesterday, i receive no love when they raid MH/BT.
So i pug kara and other instance as dps warrior. You know how hard to find group of people that want dps warrior right?
Anyway, i managed to pug kara then HUB (down only two boss before reset), then HSP (got 5 BOJ because daily)
So from 9.30pmm till 2am. i got 29 BOJs, and also did some daily which net me about 200G, and also did some BG PvP which net me about 1k KHP.
Not a bad day i would say....

And by the way, since you said quazacolt have zero knowledge in PVE/raid. Please at least get it right on how many times you can do kara in a week. really don't look good on you.

Hi sets84 you hot chiq! Hahahahaha!

i don't take offense in that
as a matter of fact most of my girl friends have envied my flat ripped belly, and my delicate fingers.
yeah they wish they had my body, but god loves me more somehow =/
it just means i'm a pretty lil boy

Candy>Goldfish

Got :
ZA Bag
MgT Bag
Phoenix Pet
DoT Trinklet

Want :
Mag's Bag
White Chocobo!
BE Orb from MgT

Anyway, so totally derailed. Meet up for discussion at the Frames tomorrow night. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/686954

BTW, we're going DUTCH! So bring your wallets.

Hi Guiz,

how was ur weekend?
Mine was great.
Firstly, i added 1000 hp to my main       

Secondly, we downed HKM 



We didn't get Gruul's but we got him down to 22%.... it was a good attempt

big achivements there you have.
for me instead i missed all the raids in the week hoping they will take me to ssc today to get my boots of vash and trink of retard the blind then i would love the bow off vash too

I dunno anything about rogues, but why do u need 310 Hit Rating ?

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Added on June 9, 2008, 10:31 amAre you overcapping HR ?

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Added on June 9, 2008, 10:31 amLuLz

why are u slowing down on your "raiding facts", king83?
its a monday morning ffs, do something

Yea thanks to bojs.... raiding t4/5 content seems pointless, oh wait, we need kara for more bojs.

3 hero tokens, hax IMO

im num 2 dps :/ just was busy with TF2 training to come for raid but nao am digging for your post :/

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Added on June 9, 2008, 1:21 pmjust puged gruul's...i need to stop watching athena on youtube while playing wow =.=|| i skiped a good 1 min of the fight and  managed to reach num 3 on dps chart....a mage was pooling out 400dps in fire spec while dest lock was in 600....srsly is 1 button spamming hard? i some times really want to try playing a dest lock again.

DST does not exist, I swear!

Quaza, do you have any "rogue-stuff" that is high in Hit Rating to recommend to me?
Preferably rings/trinkets..... I'm so low on HR, i'm even thinking of Romula's Vial.
Something within my reach at my current level btw.

1. I've never heard of Hit Rating enchants...
2. I said rings/trinkets (so no leather)
3. Tanks(PROT) don't gem for HR.... we equip for HR (which brings us back to #2)
4. I have my eyes on a few Tanking HR stuff but i just wanna hear ur opinion on this
since rogues have such high HR itemization.
5. If i can equip a single rogue high HR item, i won't gimp my other stats so much.

i already did my homework....
i just wanna hear from a rogue....

Looks like Brooch is the only thing that can save me right now...
but 16 defence rating + 21 dodge rating is ALOT of mitigation loss, that's why i'm kinda reluctant.


@ Quaza,
There are a million threads about tanks not gemmng for HR,
i can link u to some, but i'd rather not.... won't prove anything anyways.

Expertise is the best stat for both aggro and mitigation though.

Edit: Quaza just plays with/knows some horrible tanks.

I'm not so concerned with my attacks getting parried or dodge...
i want my demo shout to land every time (or most of the time).
So for my case, HR > Expertise.

from my experience, 40ish HR seems to be the minimum i should aim for atm..
so 35 HR from romulo's vial is HECK ALOT !!!

http://www.wowwiki.com/Brooch_of_Deftness
http://www.wowwiki.com/Shattered_Sun_Pendant_of_Resolve
http://www.wowwiki.com/Bracers_of_the_Ancient_Phalanx
http://www.wowwiki.com/Girdle_of_the_Fearless
http://www.wowwiki.com/Sunguard_Legplates
http://www.wowwiki.com/Shapeshifter%27s_Signet
http://www.wowwiki.com/Shard_of_Contempt
http://www.wowwiki.com/Romulo%27s_Poison_Vial

Do your own homework. Expertise is more freely available than hit so use those items. Shard of Contempt~30TPS, Romulo's~22TPS. Romulo's should be disenchant fodder unless your Kara raid's rogues are really undergeared.

When mobs parry you, they gain a faster attack on you on their next attack.
and vice versa.