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nezumitaro
post Jun 25 2008, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 25 2008, 05:32 PM)
no wonder... den no need to worry about it or try put them at cooler temp room??...

in fact they are already at the living room, coolest temp in my house... sweat.gif
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still better give good air rather make them sweat till wet wet smile.gif

QUOTE(hazzy @ Jun 25 2008, 09:52 PM)
my WW do fight when the first time i brought them back. But now! tido pun sama2 makan pun sama2 smile.gif
i dont think ur hammie gonna harm each other. maybe they are socializing with each other.
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hazzy how ur hammi? start trying the Nutri-Smoothie?

QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Jun 25 2008, 10:05 PM)
BTW, what do you guys use to gutload the mealworms ?
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oat, cat/dog kibbles, vegs, fruits....

QUOTE(kmao @ Jun 25 2008, 10:14 PM)
what is the price range for a box?? can i buy 4-5 pieces at a time? i hope the tauke wont halau me... tongue.gif

seriously, these mealworms disgust me... i feel like wanna vomit when i see them...  sweat.gif
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then try chinese tou fu or boild chicken meat.
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QUOTE(kmao @ Jun 25 2008, 01:55 PM)
is that ok to let hamster in a bowl of tissues?? i mean, it's no harm if they eat the tissues??
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Tissue, paper towels, all no harm as long no perfume, colour or printing. Hamsters won't eat the tissue. They would chew on it.

QUOTE(kmao @ Jun 25 2008, 01:58 PM)
is there any exercise ball, specially made for robos? i bought one at petfamily, seems really big for a robo, and it's purple in color =.=
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Yes, get the dwarf type. Any smaller and it could cause serious damage to the spine. Not all hamsters run readily, so give it some time.

QUOTE(keanhwa_mich @ Jun 25 2008, 02:27 PM)
got something to ask u all... my hamster this month.. the backside of her fur is always wet.... i am not sure isit she sat on her urine .. or any disease! any 1 encounter this b4??
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If the butt is constantly wet, then it is wet tail. The hamster would still eat but be quite lethargic with heavy breathing. It is hard to cure and can die in a day or 2.

QUOTE(kmao @ Jun 25 2008, 05:07 PM)
of course i feed them, with habitrail staple food and fruit & vegie sometimes.. but they seems to hate the pellet inside the staple food, never eat them, even they chew it into pieces... is that for rabbit or gp?

i guess i should start giving them a roll of tissue papers? i had a emptied roll in the cage, they'll chewing it daily, and it looks quite artistic when you look at the 'pattern' of the roll  biggrin.gif
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Try and feed better food lah. Prestige and Harry Hamster, I don't see it as expensive.... summore I have many hamsters and gerbils and I am a student using my own pocket money..... just don't use your cash for stuff that is not important lah. Sometimes I don't even eat lunch just to save my bit of cash to buy Prestige and Harry Hamster.

QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 25 2008, 05:16 PM)
talking about wet fur, i notice during hot weather, lower neck of my hammies get wet... i'm not sure what causes it, but i assume is sweat... after awhile at nite its no longer wet... during cold weather, they arent wet as well...

do hamster sweat alot??...
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Hamsters do not sweat. They DROOL. If it is normally around the mouth and chin, then it is drooling to cool the body down. Anyway, hamsters that drool means they are too hot.

QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Jun 25 2008, 07:39 PM)
Got 1 question, do Winter White always fight when they meet each other in a cage ?

I got 2 females yesterday, 1 sapphire + 1 agouti.

The Sapphire always bully the agouti, every time they meet the sapphire will turn the agouti onto the floor and both of them squeak. doh.gif

Then the agouti stay on the floor with 4 legs facing up for a while until the sapphire went away, when i go touch her, she will squeak doh.gif

Between, they are very very small, not even 2 months i guess. They don't bite, just the push and squeak.
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Watch carefully. Jamien already gave you an answer about petshop hamsters and space and dominance.

When WW fight, they are really aggressive. I have heard so many people that call me or msn me, say their WW died .... all from having 2 in 1 cage. So.... better separate if they become very hostile towards each other.

QUOTE(hazzy @ Jun 25 2008, 09:34 PM)
Guys i rase mcm pelik jerh,

from what ive read on the internet,

WW hamster :

In the Wild

In the wild Dwarf Winter White Russian Hamsters live in colonies and resent intruders into the colony and will attack any other hamsters that wander into the colony territory.

They live in burrows within the grassy steppes and sleep during the day, waking only for short periods. They are nocturnal and awake at dusk, being active at night. Their sight is poor but their sense of smell and hearing are very acute and they rely heavily on these senses to recognise each other and their environment.

In Captivity

In captivity the Dwarf Winter White Russian Hamster is a sociable pet and will live with another of its own kind if they are introduced when young. However, an older hamster will resent the addition of another hamster and a fierce fight is likely to occur.

But only the Syrians are solitary

here is the information

In The Wild

Syrian HamsterIn the wild the Syrian Hamster lives alone and is fiercely territorial, attacking any intruders or other hamsters it may be confronted with during its travels.

They live in individual burrows a distance away from any other burrow of another hamster. They are nocturnal sleeping during the day (although they may wake for short periods) and awake at dusk becoming active at night. Their sight is poor but their senses of smell and hearing are very acute. During the night the Syrian Hamster will travel collecting food, returning to its burrow several times to empty the contents. In one night the Syrian may travel up to 8 miles in this way.

In Captivity


In captivity the Syrian Hamster's solitary instinct prevails and once mature it will not normally accept the company of another hamster. Although they live together as babies and are often seen caged together in pet shops or at the breeders, as the hamsters mature their solitary instinct develops. Syrian Hamsters will not, therefore, usually tolerate the company of another hamster once they reach approximately 6-10 weeks of age when fighting starts to occur. These fights may not be serious at first but as the hamster matures the frequency and severity of the fights increase. The fights most often take place during the night when the hamsters are most active and so often goes unobserved until serious injury or even death of one or both hamsters occurs. Therefore Syrian Hamsters should be housed separately once purchased in order to prevent injury - the golden rule is one hamster, one cage.
This is what i know since b4 i join LYN.
i think, u guys have been provided with wrong information by someone kot.
there must be misunderstanding with the Hamster living behavior
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Those info are too generalised and I think they never really monitor the hamsters behaviour in captivity....... WW in the wild live in colonies coz they are all related! They are family.... so they have the same territory. If a fight starts, they can run far far away coz in the wild got freedom. What freedom and space do they have in a cage?

A lot of general hamster websites just generalize information. We here have experience, and I too breed WW and Campbells, I see difference in colony, hierarchy and fights….. Of course those sites say dwarf hamsters are social coz in the wild they live in family colonies. When we house them in cages….. it changes their behaviour.

Read:
http://www.petplanet.co.uk/small_breed_profile.asp?sbid=18
http://www.petwebsite.com/hamsters/dwarf_w...rs_behavior.htm
http://www.napak.com/dwarf_hamster.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A24833324

So if we love our hamsters, then better get one only coz there is no harm in that. They won’t die of loneliness, that type of thing only happens to gliders. WW and Campbells can only get along with siblings and if you get from a breeder…. If you get from a pet shop, even though same age and purchased on the same day, there is bound to be fights.


QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Jun 25 2008, 10:05 PM)
BTW, what do you guys use to gutload the mealworms ?
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Veggie and dry dog/catfood is good.


Added on June 25, 2008, 11:14 pm
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In the wild Dwarf Winter White Russian Hamsters live in colonies and resent intruders into the colony and will attack any other hamsters that wander into the colony territory.

They live in burrows within the grassy steppes and sleep during the day, waking only for short periods. They are nocturnal and awake at dusk, being active at night. Their sight is poor but their sense of smell and hearing are very acute and they rely heavily on these senses to recognise each other and their environment.

In Captivity

In captivity the Dwarf Winter White Russian Hamster is a sociable pet and will live with another of its own kind if they are introduced when young. However, an older hamster will resent the addition of another hamster and a fierce fight is likely to occur.
Funny, you already answered yourself. Of course no website would say they have to be solitary coz they can tolerate each other. Those bolded ones are already your answer.

About sudden fights, this happens coz of space and how we house them. The wikipedia info has been edited by someone, but it used to say that WW are best kept alone if FIGHTS occur. We advice people to keep WW alone to avoid people coming into this forum saying "Help, my hamsters fight till bleed" or "One died, why ah?"

Isn't it better? Anyway, there is a website by a show breeder overseas that uses the word solitary.

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post Jun 25 2008, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jun 25 2008, 10:44 PM)
hmm.gif But you're a guy. I thought guys like creepy crawly stuff?  tongue.gif I handle everyday so not scared already.

Buy the small ones. Superworms bite back so might "win" a fight with your robo. Mealworms don't bite. Plus superworm exoskeleton is harder. Not sure what it'll do to your robo's digestion.
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Well, take me as an exception. I'm not afraid of cockroaches, but i'm afraid of caterpillar too... worms are disgusting blush.gif

anyway, i'll try to get a bag and try to feed them.. i'll need time to overcome it unsure.gif
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QUOTE(kmao @ Jun 25 2008, 11:27 PM)
Well, take me as an exception. I'm not afraid of cockroaches, but i'm afraid of caterpillar too... worms are disgusting  blush.gif

anyway, i'll try to get a bag and try to feed them.. i'll need time to overcome it  unsure.gif
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rclxms.gif Your spirit to conquer your fear is admirable.

You will be able to overcome it. Touch it a few times, handle it a while. Then you'll not be afraid of them anymore. All they do is just struggle and wriggle actually.

smile.gif Don't worry about it. Lots of other girls and guys feel the same way you do. But conquering your fear makes you better right?
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jun 25 2008, 11:38 PM)
rclxms.gif Your spirit to conquer your fear is admirable.

You will be able to overcome it. Touch it a few times, handle it a while. Then you'll not be afraid of them anymore. All they do is just struggle and wriggle actually.

smile.gif Don't worry about it. Lots of other girls and guys feel the same way you do. But conquering your fear makes you better right?
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yeah right... i got a question, do you need to do something on the worms before feeding hamsters? except gutload, is it necessary to clean them first?


Added on June 26, 2008, 12:15 am@nezumitaro

raw white tofu or fried one?

@crazymouse

thanks for your comment, i got it tongue.gif
btw, do u mean habitrail staple food is not a good one? i've been feeding my hammies with it since my first rearing hammie. just that i feed them additional food recently like fruits and vegies, also some other treats like doggie biscuits and oats, currently thinking to feed them with mealworms. would the diet be too complicated? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(kmao @ Jun 26 2008, 12:05 AM)
yeah right... i got a question, do you need to do something on the worms before feeding hamsters? except gutload, is it necessary to clean them first?


Added on June 26, 2008, 12:15 am@nezumitaro

raw white tofu or fried one?

@crazymouse

thanks for your comment, i got it tongue.gif
btw, do u mean habitrail staple food is not a good one? i've been feeding my hammies with it since my first rearing hammie. just that i feed them additional food recently like fruits and vegies, also some other treats like doggie biscuits and oats, currently thinking to feed them with mealworms. would the diet be too complicated?  hmm.gif
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If you wet the worms it'll turn black and die... That's why they need moistuer through fruit and vege. Otherwise we just need to sprinkle water let them drink.

blink.gif You feed dog food?
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post Jun 26 2008, 12:31 AM

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This is the new baby boy who are with us for the last four days. He can now started to climb on our hands when we put our hands into the tank, although he just wanna to get out from there. wub.gif wub.gif No more screaming for the last 2 days when we touch him. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif He is eating very well, eating fresh veges and Nutri Smoothie everyday and dry food as well. We are still think of a name for him. sweat.gif

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This is how Kiko look like when she is eating: This girl is getting chubbier everyday with Nutri Smoothie thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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This pic shown she is freezing up when I stroke her back during her heat, can see her tail and backside is up:

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Wanna share my cousin sister's hamster, she bought her from Pet Shack 3 months ago. Staying in a 2ft tank and have a Living world Home and Wodent Wheel Junior with him. Staying happily now with his owner, getting cuter and chubbier.

Name: MOMO
Age: about 5 months
Breed: Syrian
Color: Golden Banded
Feeding: Nutri Smoothie and Harry Hamster, mealworms sometimes

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Saying 'Hi!' to Joan and Jack...

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QUOTE(sangels @ Jun 26 2008, 12:31 AM)
This is the new baby boy who are with us for the last four days. He can now started to climb on our hands when we put our hands into the tank, although he just wanna to get out from there. wub.gif  wub.gif  No more screaming for the last 2 days when we touch him. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif He is eating very well, eating fresh veges and Nutri Smoothie everyday and dry food as well. We are still think of a name for him. sweat.gif

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This is how Kiko look like when she is eating: This girl is getting chubbier everyday with Nutri Smoothie thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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This pic shown she is freezing up when I stroke her back during her heat, can see her tail and backside is up:

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Wanna share my cousin sister's hamster, she bought her from Pet Shack 3 months ago. Staying in a 2ft tank and have a Living world Home and Wodent Wheel Junior with him. Staying happily now with his owner, getting cuter and chubbier.

Name: MOMO
Age: about 5 months
Breed: Syrian
Color: Golden Banded
Feeding: Nutri Smoothie and Harry Hamster, mealworms sometimes

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Saying 'Hi!' to Joan and Jack...
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So cute. Your new boy is really like my one that died yesterday. Got wet tail and died before I could give proper treatment. I guess it got it from the petshop. Luckily my other hamsters are all ok. This is my 1st case of wet tail at home.

Anyway, I think your baby boy here is a mink banded heheheh. He got cute eye rings. Got check the undercoat?

Momo looks happy. Kiko looks very good thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Jun 26 2008, 12:35 AM)
So cute. Your new boy is really like my one that died yesterday. Got wet tail and died before I could give proper treatment. I guess it got it from the petshop. Luckily my other hamsters are all ok. This is my 1st case of wet tail at home.

Anyway, I think your baby boy here is a mink banded heheheh. He got cute eye rings. Got check the undercoat?

Momo looks happy. Kiko looks very good  thumbup.gif
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Thanks! If the boy is a mink banded then he will be a special color mink banded as he is so not mink look except the eye ring. Faulty color maybe...Hahaha... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Kiko is super good and she is so strong as she can push the ceramic toilet sand bowl away from the original place. Do her own deco in the tank. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif Eating more and more... sweat.gif sweat.gif

Momo is so cute and rounder now as we are trying to pump him to grow side way cos he already fully grown in his size, only can grow side way. LOL... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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The colour of the mink shade depends on how dark the Sable was bred to the Red eye cream..... my mink very brown LOL.... but you must check the undercoat. If the undercoat is lighter than the top coat, then mink loh.
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Jun 26 2008, 12:53 AM)
The colour of the mink shade depends on how dark the Sable was bred to the Red eye cream..... my mink very brown LOL.... but you must check the undercoat. If the undercoat is lighter than the top coat, then mink loh.
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That's the problem as the boy keep moving non stop. Not even a second. Plus his color is so light, the undercoat also hardly see clearly, for me it's almost the same. He also got very thick fur. Guess he gonna be very long haired later on. He just look like SamSam last time. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(irkuysm @ Jun 25 2008, 06:18 PM)
The pellet u mention is the one looks abit like a cyclinder thing?? tongue.gif
Yay most of all my hammy doenst touch that thing!Only few time they will bite it abit if they think its delicious.. sweat.gif
wat a waste but maybe that thing not gud to them...xD.
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pellets are bitter... i tasted before... my hamsters dont like them as well... they prefer kuaci and corn...

QUOTE(blurjoey @ Jun 25 2008, 06:45 PM)
Yes. It's some kind of metal pad.
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It's sold in the garage sales
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/609472
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ooo... this one can diy... dun need to buy la... icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(Jamien @ Jun 25 2008, 10:35 PM)
Make sure it's mealworm, not superworm. Those they sell in transparent plastic containers are superworms. mealworms are smaller.

doh.gif People, oversome your fear. You dare to feed something to your hammie that yourself don't dare to hold?

RM1 for a lot o. My RM 1 not yet finish for my 2 syrians le. 3 weeks liao. Each day I only feed 4 la. Hehe...

I feed using my barehands. I will touch touch see which is the fattest. Hehe...
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i think the previous batch of mealworms i bought are superworms... vr fat and have claws... i give my hamster 1 each per day...
yea... the outer shell is kinda thick... so my hamsters jz suck the juice out...leaving the outer shell skin... lolz...

i see my hamster gobble up the worm that time ganas siot.... sweat.gif

QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Jun 25 2008, 11:08 PM)
Hamsters do not sweat. They DROOL. If it is normally around the mouth and chin, then it is drooling to cool the body down. Anyway, hamsters that drool means they are too hot.
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they drool like this??.. drool.gif drool.gif

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so cute... reminds me of my syrians back then... sad.gif
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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Jun 26 2008, 12:53 AM)
The colour of the mink shade depends on how dark the Sable was bred to the Red eye cream..... my mink very brown LOL.... but you must check the undercoat. If the undercoat is lighter than the top coat, then mink loh.
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happy.gif My Ferro is very brown. Like Milo. I didn't check his undercoat though. He's still not very comfortable with being touched.

@catacombs: kuaci and corn is not good for them in big numbers... It's kinda like junk food ya know. blink.gif And how come you eat the pellet?

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This is the syrian i got from petshack. name it brownie.
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This is Jojo, the syrian u guys said badly structured and look like a mouse.
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This is also jojo....
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This is Momo... nth much to be said bout it. a bit greyish banded. dunno wat to call. =.=
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sorry for the blur pics... using a 1.3Mp handphone camera.
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my golden banded drool.gif drool.gif

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she is still not chubby enuf, still pumping her biggrin.gif
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how many syrian do you have? 3 ar?
the 3rd one look like sable.
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QUOTE(sOuLx @ Jun 26 2008, 02:28 AM)
JonYeap

how many syrian do you have? 3 ar?
the 3rd one look like sable.
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yeah its a banded sable. haha... just that its not really black enough. its kinda greyish.
hmmm... i got 3. the one from petshack one is a little unique. got some part their fur is extra long. hahhaha... and its so cute. =.=
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your Jojo now looks better. not mousey look anymore IMHO.
u pump him with good food, thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Jamien @ Jun 26 2008, 01:27 AM)
@catacombs: kuaci and corn is not good for them in big numbers... It's kinda like junk food ya know.  blink.gif And how come you eat the pellet?
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coz i wanna know why they dont eat pallets mah... so i test it lor...
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@jon your jojo looks so cute la. and the banded sable looks nice too

@catacombs, i cant believe you ate the pellets

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