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sam85
post Aug 20 2008, 10:58 PM

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yup. perhaps is another low turning again, finally the price started to rebound and going down. shall i sell now... hmm ....
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post Aug 21 2008, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(pubee @ May 26 2008, 01:10 PM)
Still keeping Airasia stocks till now.

Read in newspaper.. .Aviation industry is going down. Budget airlines the worst affected by oil prices.

Now i wonder, what is the worst scenario could happen to Airasia. I dont think oil prices is gonna come down any soon.

If got take over, what will happen to my stocks?
If merger, then what?
If closing, I guess that it to my money.

Pls let me know... not sure if i want to hold it any longer..
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klmc
post Aug 21 2008, 05:35 PM

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strong support at 1.10 though , EPF wants to makan all the shares at 1.10 before they consider next push ?



Last few filings by EPF

Acquired 07/08/2008 300,000
Disposed 07/08/2008 205,400
Disposed 08/08/2008 447,600

Disposed 11/08/2008 337,000
Disposed 12/08/2008 1,000,000


Acquired 13/08/2008 135,500
Disposed 13/08/2008 942,300
Acquired 14/08/2008 46,200

Acquired 15/08/2008 427,700
Acquired 18/08/2008 1,152,400







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hanif444
post Aug 22 2008, 08:49 AM

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now red for AA...
YuNGSeNG
post Aug 22 2008, 09:15 AM

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What happen ? KLCI up but AA still do down...
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post Aug 22 2008, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(YuNGSeNG @ Aug 22 2008, 09:15 AM)
What happen ? KLCI up but AA still do down...
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Oil big rebound ma .... 121$/barrel today ...and might worsen cos of the russia /georgia thing
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post Aug 22 2008, 10:37 AM

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yalor.....crude oil up....CPO up...but KLCI red...

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post Aug 22 2008, 11:10 AM

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KLCI red ? It has been green from the start of the trading day what ...

YuNGSeNG
post Aug 22 2008, 12:54 PM

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Finally sold my AA now , earn low profit better than loss profit later ~
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post Aug 22 2008, 02:47 PM

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hehhh , the drop this morning had me nervous too .. succumbed to it and sold off another 10% of leftover ..still holding some 13 lots to punt

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post Aug 22 2008, 03:45 PM

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KLCI green...AirAsia red...drop 4 sen.
I bought it sometime back and sold it off making some profit.
I think this is how AirAsia should react to increasing fuel prices...Drop in share prices.

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post Aug 22 2008, 04:02 PM

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EPF will sapu back all till 1.10 if it's like before .... it's whether your nerves can stand to see the drop or not ...


edit : sat morning : Oil has fallen by 6$ back to 114$/barrel ..... wonder how much AA will go up on monday? 1.14 ? 1.15 ? Or did yesterdays fall scare everyone off this counter ?


edit 2 : 28/8/2008 : sold of all my AA's , now holding none ... managed to sell off beofre they release their quaterly financials which i think will be bad / worst than their previous quarter .... maybe if it drops back to $1 , can buy in aagin ... epf still buying into this counter though ...

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post Aug 28 2008, 09:24 PM

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Current Year Quarter 30/06/2008
Revenue 608,383
Profit/(Loss) before Tax (46,901) 
Profit/(Loss) after Tax and Minority Interest 9,417 
Net Profit/(Loss) for the Period 9,417 
Basic Earnings/(Loss) per Shares(sen) 0.40



Airasia latest Q result is out, seems like market did get it right up to certain extent (share price plunging from above 1.50 to less than 1).

It reported a pre-tax loss and net profit 9 millions only. A sharp constrast drop from previousy Q. They can't escape with the high oil price as well.

That's where past data PE can be misleading. Before lastest Q result, based on last financial result, at 1.00 it would imply a PER of less than 10x, in fact 6 to 7x only. But with lastest Q result, its annualised PER become 62.5x (at 1.00 with Q EPS 0.40 as reported).

Don't mean to say good or bad, just to highlight that PER using past data can be misleading. It is future earning ability that matter the most for share price. So wisely using PER, but not blindly take it.
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post Sep 2 2008, 10:03 PM

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My view is for long term investment Air asia is certainly out as you can see the debt to asset ratio is very high.

My view is during economy slowdown / recession. We are looking for good stock with a lot of cash. As you can expect it to buy some good companies or they can sailed through the storm. Whereas, for a company with a lot of debt you cannot expect much on it... The only possibility is being bought buy other company...

Thats y i strongly suggest this is one of the stock that we must avoid ...
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oil broke below 110$ - it's at 109$ at 11pm now , DOW at 160 points up .... if AA doesnt rally 2moro, nothing can save it from dropping below $1 again ....

Good luck to you guys thats still holding, but I think i'll onli revisit it again below $1 ( i think Tony is doing a tremendous job .. the flights are pretty full, all the pople i know who travel nowadays all book AA to fly ... )
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post Sep 3 2008, 12:09 AM

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Oil price drop , will make AA green so much tomorrow ?
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QUOTE(klmc @ Sep 3 2008, 12:20 AM)
oil broke below 110$  - it's at 109$ at 11pm now , DOW at 160 points up .... if AA doesnt rally 2moro, nothing can save it from dropping below $1 again ....

Good luck to you guys thats still holding, but I think i'll onli revisit it again below $1 ( i think Tony is doing a tremendous job ..  the flights are pretty full, all the pople i know who travel nowadays all book AA to fly ... )
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post Sep 3 2008, 01:21 PM

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Another few sen to go, AA will go below RM1. Seems like this share will tumble more.

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Strengthen of USD doesnt looks good to AA eventhough Crude Oil price moving towards USD100 per barrel direction.


http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html
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AirAsia Q2 net profit plummets
By Jeeva Arulampalam Published: 2008/08/29

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A forex loss of RM76.9 million and record high jet fuel prices hurt the budget airline, leading to a 95 per cent drop in net profit to RM9.4 million


LOW-COST carrier AirAsia Bhd said second quarter net profit plunged 95 per cent to RM9.4 million due to foreign exchange losses and high fuel costs.

It had a forex loss of RM76.9 million because a weaker ringgit increased the amount of its foreign debt.

It expects a challenging third quarter, traditionally AirAsia's weakest. Last month, it had to contend with record high jet fuel prices.

Revenue grew 41 per cent to RM608 million in the three-month period ended June 30 2008, attributed to higher passenger volume as well as ancillary income.



It carried 20 per cent more passengers, or 2.8 million people, while ancillary income jumped 60 per cent to RM50.3 million.

Ancillary income refers to sales of food, beverage and travel insurance, among other things.

"The per passenger ancillary spend has increased 34 per cent to RM17.80 and ancillary income now represents 8.3 per cent of total revenue," group chief executive director Datuk Seri Tony Fernandes said in a statement released yesterday in Kuala Lumpur.

It filled 76 per cent of its planes, down from 81 per cent previously, as it added new planes and new routes had yet to do well.

Fernandes said that AirAsia had some short-term hedging, but its fuel requirements were largely not hedged.

"We will do a vanilla hedge if required, but hedging is expensive right now, so we'd rather not," he said in a conference call with analysts yesterday.

AirAsia's associate companies in Thailand and Indonesia posted losses.

"The Thai operation endured a challenging period due to escalating domestic political uncertainties," he said.

However, Fernandes said he was optimistic over the long term as other airlines had ceased operations or cut back on capacity in Thailand.

"We can invest in the business and rejuvenate the fleet with new Airbus A320 aircraft and expand our route network," he said.

The Indonesian operation was affected by the costlier fuel due to its usage of the Boeing 737-300 aircraft.

"Indonesia will receive its first Airbus A320 on September 19 and this will reduce operational cost and enhance efficiency," Fernandes added.

In the half-year period, net profit declined 37 per cent to RM170.7 million from RM272.3 milion previously.

Revenue, however, was up 38 per cent to RM1.1 billion as passenger growth increased 20 per cent.

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http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...pf.xml/Article/
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AIRASIA, the region's biggest budget carrier, is making a risky bet.

As soaring fuel prices have forced other airlines to cut back, shed jobs and ground planes, AirAsia is doing the opposite: increasing flights, adding routes and boosting capital investment.

Last month, it even gave away a million free seats (although passengers still had to pay taxes and fuel surcharges). The seven-year-old company is aiming to fill the vacuum as other airlines reduce capacity, betting that more travellers will opt for budget flights amid a global economic downturn.

Analysts say if it survives the industry slump, AirAsia could come out a winner with increased customer loyalty and a strong route network to catch the growth wave when good times return.



"They are reasonably well-positioned for the long run, but there's always a trade-off. It's a long-term decision, which will cause some short-term pain," said Damien Horth, Asia transport analyst at UBS AG in Hong Kong.

Of course, the strategy could also backfire badly.

Last month, AirAsia reported a 95 per cent plunge in its net profit for April-June quarter to RM9.42 million. But the company chalked that up mostly to a RM77 million foreign exchange loss from a weakened ringgit, not weakness in its underlying business.

Average load factor - the percentage of seats taken up in an airplane - dipped to a still relatively strong 76 per cent, from 80 per cent in 2007.

It has a cash reserve of about RM1 billion, but outstanding debts stand at RM5.4 billion, giving it a net debt position of RM4.4 billion. Debts are set to grow as it receives new planes.

Chris Eng, analyst with OSK Securities in Malaysia, said AirAsia's growth prospects may be curbed, while its joint ventures in Thailand and Indonesia are expected to remain in the red.

"It will be challenging but we believe AirAsia can survive," Eng said, citing its efficient regional network and good cost control. - AP


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