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8tvt
post Jul 30 2008, 12:37 PM

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i once use thinner on gold plated n it's become silver..
actually the silver plated makes it shine.. the gold/yellow is just thin transparent layer.. some of the colour not even..

so if AB 'yellow candy' on silver shiny material should be produced same results.. it's just that normal AB will have bigger particles.. that's why it looks a little rough..
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post Jul 30 2008, 12:42 PM

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And underneath that silver layer there is normal plastic.
Did someone not post a bautifully shiny kampfer here earlier, if it works with blue then it should also work with gold?

Each to his own, we've been going at this for more than 2 pages and overnight now.

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post Jul 30 2008, 01:11 PM

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i think it's just direct to the gold plated MS was quoted higher from normal one..
the price is doubled - could be bandai also doing double paint job..
that paint cost alot..

i would suggest go to medal shop..
those cheapo medal like school days.. lol..
ask them how they did.. then we can have all gundam like akatsuki.. smile.gif
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post Jul 30 2008, 01:58 PM

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i m a strong supporter of painted gold, always do what chriswoo demostrated, the one with silver background and clear yellow on top.

Why?

1. i dislike plated stuff, neither silver nor gold, nor any other color. it will actually "kill" lots of detail on the piece of plastic. look carefully, for any gold plated parts, the edge is always not as sharp. that explain why most professional modeller wash them away before they work on the kit. Check on dengeki for example, so far none model kit showcase is gold plated.

2. spraying a clear color on top of silver base means you can have thousand different tone of gold, or any other colors u like, to personalise your kit. try add one drop of red, or next time 3 drop of red, or next time one drop of blue,....... it goes on.....


Happy expermenting! biggrin.gif
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post Jul 30 2008, 02:00 PM

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ehhhhh tat would still be costly becoz u need to bring ur Gundam over for them to chrome and base on the part and size.... charges may be higher than the medal since medal they can make in bulk while ur gundam onli is one kit.....


And it reminds me of my car chrome part being scratch offffffff.....damn sakit hati!


Added on July 30, 2008, 2:02 pmFor u ppl info also! Gaia Paints gold color seems to be more fine than Mr. Color and Tamiya one! U guys can purchase it to tried it out! Nice gold color indeed!

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post Jul 30 2008, 02:05 PM

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btw, for chrome oob bits, do you guys mask it when you spray a final flat topcoat? If not, how to preserve the shine?
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post Jul 30 2008, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(300078 @ Jul 30 2008, 11:40 AM)

Plate chrome gold are smooth surface and u wont see those small gold sand particles!
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a very good explanation indeed biggrin.gif
yes.. if we use paint to ab those chrome effect, we still see the gold sand particles, just diff brand may have diff particle sizes

chrome plating part = no particles rclxms.gif

because these are real metal (nickel or chrome).

but not to mislead u guys, chrome plating thru electrolysis is only for metal objects.

for plastics, a process known as "vacuum deposition" is applied for plating plastics smile.gif

by the way, electrolysis only require the plating solution and ac voltage meter, not really complicated blush.gif no need to worry about the chemistry part laugh.gif

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lao.. if i not wrong... the liquid required for electrolysis is air suling right?
Car battery water.. tongue.gif u can use battery water as the medium..

lao.. i forget the setup already.. but i think no problem if using that method to do plating...

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post Jul 30 2008, 04:59 PM

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man.. i'm not going into chemistry but i can tell u no way plastics is plated using electroplating.. it just doesn't work because:

1) there's no current between the circuit set up and the plastic
2) the plastics simple can't release electrons from the set up, hence plating material won't stick to it.

plating plastics utilize a diff process..

the water u need is a salt solution of the material u want to plate.

eg. nickel = nickel chloride

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doh.gif i didn't say plastic plating lar....
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opps.. my mistakes.. tongue.gif
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May i suggest tamiya's Enamel Titanium Gold ? Currently available at hobbies corner... heres an example of my HG Nadleeh with bits of titanium gold all over :

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The shield has Titanium Gold on it... and u cant see the " grains " u usually get with other Metallic colors... very nice gold indeed.

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post Jul 30 2008, 05:56 PM

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hmm.. interesting.. do u have a zoom/close up pic??

that wud help alot for my 4-eyes tongue.gif
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post Jul 30 2008, 07:09 PM

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recently i just bought some GAIA gold color to do experiment, they said this GAIA color all have fine particles and very good for gloss surface (especially ppl building car model)....so i might as well tried it out since it is bigger in bottle size and cheaper compare to all other brand!
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lao sweat.gif the 1st tme i asked bout this chrome gold paint effect no one answer my question at all... out of all sudden everyone is discussing bout it!! great!! now my question got plenty of solving ways laugh.gif

btw i juz asked the hobby shop owner this afternoon after school... he say by using AB u cant produce a smooth surface like factory-chromed parts, but he say it is possible to do it to near 98%-99% same....

1. super chrome silver paint as base(as mirror-like as possible, use 0.2mm AB pen),
2. a layer of clear yellow, use 0.2mm AB pen(bout the ton, can mix with clear orange)
3.**most importantly!! to make it super duper gloss, use a piece of printing white paper and sand(it is rub actually, almost same like using sandpaper to sand sweat.gif ) it till smooth...

**the result should be nearly the same as factory chrome parts drool.gif ....

MEANWHILE, i also asked my chemistry teacher bout metal plating today, and i got a big smack from him on my back doh.gif ...

he say... ( vmad.gif edward, how could you metal plated something which the electrons can't even pass through it? ur toy is plastic not metal! don't u know that plastic can't be plated using the normal way? if u say use a layer of carbon for the plastic surface... fine... then what bout the plated material resource? are u going to use your mother's gold ring just to plate your toy? think again or else your SPM chemistry will fail for electrolysis chapter! "SMACK" doh.gif

here's another question appears in my mind from what he say doh.gif . how bandai gold plate the parts? what they use? is it really gold plated or just dip it into ink container containing clear yellow paint and let it dry later on sweat.gif ?

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jul 30 2008, 04:39 PM)
a very good explanation indeed biggrin.gif
yes.. if we use paint to ab those chrome effect, we still see the gold sand particles, just diff brand may have diff particle sizes

chrome plating part = no particles rclxms.gif

because these are real metal (nickel or chrome).

but not to mislead u guys, chrome plating thru electrolysis is only for metal objects.

for plastics, a process known as "vacuum deposition" is applied for plating plastics smile.gif

by the way, electrolysis only require the plating solution and ac voltage meter, not really complicated blush.gif  no need to worry about the chemistry part laugh.gif
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Clearly enuff u didn't read properly.. doh.gif

QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 30 2008, 10:13 PM)
lao sweat.gif the 1st tme i asked bout this chrome gold paint effect no one answer my question at all... out of all sudden everyone is discussing bout it!! great!! now my question got plenty of solving ways laugh.gif

btw i juz asked the hobby shop owner this afternoon after school... he say by using AB u cant produce a smooth surface like factory-chromed parts, but he say it is possible to do it to near 98%-99% same....

1. super chrome silver paint as base(as mirror-like as possible, use 0.2mm AB pen),
2. a layer of clear yellow, use 0.2mm AB pen(bout the ton, can mix with clear orange)
3.**most importantly!! to make it super duper gloss, use a piece of printing white paper and sand it till smooth...

**the result should be nearly the same as factory chrome parts drool.gif ....

MEANWHILE, i also asked my chemistry teacher bout metal plating today, and i got a big smack from him on my back doh.gif ...

he say... (  vmad.gif edward, how could you metal plated something which the electrons can't even pass through it? ur toy is plastic not metal! don't u know that plastic can't be plated using the normal way? if u say use a layer of carbon for the plastic surface... fine... then what bout the plated material resource? are u going to use your mother's gold ring just to plate your toy? think again or else your SPM chemistry will fail for electrolysis chapter! "SMACK" doh.gif

here's another question appears in my mind from what he say doh.gif . how bandai gold plate the parts? what they use? is it really gold plated or just dip it into ink container containing clear yellow paint and let it dry later on sweat.gif ?
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post Jul 30 2008, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jul 30 2008, 10:17 PM)
Clearly enuff u didn't read properly.. doh.gif
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doh.gif i just tell out what my teacher told me la... and this post is sent today 4.39pm le not yesterday.... i ask my teacher this morning...
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can you please stop this chrome thingy nonsense...
like what sunnyboy been telling you since yesterday...you CANT achieve those chrome shiny effect with your bloody AB!
you need machine to do that...you no need to go ask here and there one la...we all here know its machine made...

now i want this nonsense stupid question to stop before i need to delete whole bunch of silly war again tomoro doh.gif

teacher teacher teacher one you...

why not you go study for you SPM instead of busy about something not related to your future also

your SPM decide your future later...go study la doh.gif

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post Jul 31 2008, 06:56 PM

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..... so mean sweat.gif

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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 31 2008, 06:56 PM)
..... so mean sweat.gif
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haha i think we should snap out of this chrome plating topic it's going nowhere doh.gif
sorry for the silly idea though... hmm.gif

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