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Kinster
post Jun 12 2008, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:32 PM)
Transparent?? blink.gif for what first?

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I plan to do some shading/weathering on a model using pastel chalk. The pastel chalk is grounded on sandpaper to create pastel dust, which is then applied onto the model with a paintbrush. When the work is done, I need the transparent spray to "seal in" the pastel dust - to prevent them from rubbing off when I re-pose the model. The model isn't supposed to be shiny, that's why I need a clear spray that is matt.

Anyone knows where I can find something like this? I can find some clear spray, but they are all glossy... sad.gif
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post Jun 12 2008, 08:19 PM

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Get the Flat TopCoat Spray can?
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post Jun 12 2008, 08:24 PM

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get a top coat then...
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post Jun 12 2008, 08:27 PM

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Thanks for the feedback! smile.gif
Forgive my ignorance, what's a topcoat and where can I get one?
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post Jun 13 2008, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:43 PM)
doh.gif apply surfacer lar... or prime it...

It;s not that expensive what.. doh.gif
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lol i also wan to use surfacer if possible de la but i cant get any surfacer 1200 in bottle unless i buy the spray tin one la but everyone knows that the spray for the tin is useless right... haiz... i only gt surfacer 1000... somemore when im doing my freedom i don have much time... only gt 2 weeks so i save time by not using surfacer lor but as what u said that im now a bit regretted ad cuz the paint at the wing there started to chipped off ad due to reposing from closed wings to HiMAT mode for a few times shocking.gif ... just inner part la outer part ok...

besides,top coat is very important... my MG freedoms' wing cannon's white part now also gt a bit stained with the blue paint due to the blue colour chipped when the white and the blue parts scratches each other when i open-close the wing doh.gif ... haiz... i sprayed the top coat too thin i guess... not dare to touch or move it anymore cry.gif


Added on June 13, 2008, 12:30 am
QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 12 2008, 08:27 PM)
Thanks for the feedback! smile.gif
Forgive my ignorance, what's a topcoat and where can I get one?
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this is top coat...
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- A kind of spray to coat the model with a protective layer. Comes in Gloss, Semi-Gloss and Flat types

information from VincC454 in Tutorial to start gunpla-ing

This post has been edited by edwardgsk: Jun 13 2008, 12:31 AM
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post Jun 13 2008, 12:32 AM

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who say spray can for surfacer useless?
do u kno tat a lot of ppl who owns AB prefers using Spray can surfacer?
1. faster becoz no nid mix and no mix again to put in thinner especially if modding
2. no nid to clean the AB gun if use spray can
3. if not clean nicely, will cloak ur gun
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post Jun 13 2008, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jun 13 2008, 12:32 AM)
who say spray can for surfacer useless?
do u kno tat a lot of ppl who owns AB prefers using Spray can surfacer?
1. faster becoz no nid mix and no mix again to put in thinner especially if modding
2. no nid to clean the AB gun if use spray can
3. if not clean nicely, will cloak ur gun
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not so sure le cuz nvr use before juz heard someone told me that last time... i use the bottle type one so far nvr try on spray can one so far haha... but they say the can type one the nozzle lauya la air spray power not constant de... is it true?
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post Jun 13 2008, 12:58 AM

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of cos la... spray can where can control the air pressure, it's alr been set for u... surfacer no nid good air pressure...
when spraying color only more important becoz u dunwan it to be too thick, surfacer thick it's ok
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doh.gif lao.... Surfacer can no use? then they sell for what doh.gif

IF u can't find surfacer, Prime also work out good enough to prevent your paint from chipping off....

Top Coat usually just spray 2 think layer and it;s enough to protect the colour.

And Btw, top coat can be get @ places like AF Hobby @ Ampang or TM @ BTS. Not sure XL got sell or not...
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post Jun 13 2008, 10:14 AM

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Last month I went AF and TM and both were out of water based Flat Coat. Anyone know if there still in stock?
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post Jun 13 2008, 10:33 AM

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How inportant is a topcoat? I make and paint (extensively) only SDs so do i really need them?
How do i apply topcoat? Place models on a newspaper and spray over?
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post Jun 13 2008, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(naith @ Jun 13 2008, 10:14 AM)
Last month I went AF and TM and both were out of water based Flat Coat. Anyone know if there still in stock?
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you could try your luck at the hobby shop over ampang plaza.


Say, Giving a situation where i had applied some gundam marker [ not for the panel lining ] on my kits, & then some other parts of it i would like to use spray can to spray the paint, what is the proper way of masking the parts where already painted with marker? cause im afraid tat if i stick the normal "tape" we used will rip off the paint when i need to tear it out..
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post Jun 13 2008, 11:10 AM

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questions in regards to the topcoat:

does it help on removing the scratches caused by sanding/cutting nips off parts? or it is one of the main reasons why you even use it in the first place?

also, will it damage/corrode stickers? or it is actually meant to further protect it?

what about panel lining? will it cause it to fall off or something? or it actually helps preventing it from being able to rub off (after ur satisfied with ur panel lining of course)
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this question some are deja vu... doh.gif

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does it help on removing the scratches caused by sanding/cutting nips off parts? or it is one of the main reasons why you even use it in the first place?


No, top coat are to protect the paint from scratches @ dust stick to the paint

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also, will it damage/corrode stickers? or it is actually meant to further protect it?


Neither do both.

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what about panel lining? will it cause it to fall off or something? or it actually helps preventing it from being able to rub off (after ur satisfied with ur panel lining of course)


People usualy do panel lining after top coat
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topcoat not protect your paint from scratch...ur paint still can scratch if you do heavy pose on your kit even after topcoat

and surfacer is the one cover your scratch not topcoat.
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 13 2008, 11:50 AM)
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this question some are deja vu... doh.gif
No, top coat are to protect the paint from scratches @ dust stick to the paint
Neither do both.
People usualy do panel lining after top coat
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eh ive read through the tutorial thread, didnt seem to provide the answer im looking. and with 125 pages on the last version of this thread, it'll be really hard to search through everything >_<
i would suggest someone to pin up dejavu questions into FAQ, so it can be easier for everyone, both asker/answerers.

anyways,

ive heard something about applying something to ur gundam so it removes those scratches caused by sanding? not sure if its topcoating, care to clarify?

for the stickers, basically if i spray top coat on it, it wont eat away or cause the stickers to fall off? kinda how water affect paper, and the top coat is water based right?

whats the difference between doing panel lining before and after top coating?


Added on June 13, 2008, 12:11 pm
QUOTE(VincC454 @ Jun 13 2008, 12:05 PM)
topcoat not protect your paint from scratch...ur paint still can scratch if you do heavy pose on your kit even after topcoat

and surfacer is the one cover your scratch not topcoat.
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AH so its surfacer the thing im looking for. so it not only "prepares" the plastic surface for painting, it also "removes" the scratches caused from sanding am i getting this correct?

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 13 2008, 12:10 PM)
eh ive read through the tutorial thread, didnt seem to provide the answer im looking. and with 125 pages on the last version of this thread, it'll be really hard to search through everything >_<
i would suggest someone to pin up dejavu questions into FAQ, so it can be easier for everyone, both asker/answerers.

anyways,

ive heard something about applying something to ur gundam so it removes those scratches caused by sanding? not sure if its topcoating, care to clarify?

for the stickers, basically if i spray top coat on it, it wont eat away or cause the stickers to fall off? kinda how water affect paper, and the top coat is water based right?

whats the difference between doing panel lining before and after top coating?


Added on June 13, 2008, 12:11 pm

AH so its surfacer the thing im looking for. so it not only "prepares" the plastic surface for painting, it also "removes" the scratches caused from sanding am i getting this correct?
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For the sticker question, it wont drop or fall, unless u go kacau.

Doing panel before or after top coat, this one answered few post before u ask... Try searching back thru...

And for the surfacer part, it's correct. The surfacer use to prepares the plastic for painting so it wont chip off easily and it help removes the scratches.
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post Jun 13 2008, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 13 2008, 12:43 PM)
For the sticker question, it wont drop or fall, unless u go kacau.

Doing panel before or after top coat, this one answered few post before u ask... Try searching back thru...

And for the surfacer part, it's correct. The surfacer use to prepares the plastic for painting so it wont chip off easily and it help removes the scratches.
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sweet, much thanks

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ok this might be a silly question, where is famitoy? ive heard a lot of good things from people, may want to visit there myself
(there got sell gunpla tools right? like surfacer/cutter etc)

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post Jun 13 2008, 05:50 PM

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Hey bro zero, heard that you are planning to get AB soon? Care to share some info that you have with every1 here ? =X I'm sourcing for one as well.

EDIT: No, for tools famitoys may not be the place to get them. Instead you can try AF Hobby in ampang instead. Famitoys carry mostly model kits, transformers, there is some gundam marker, pla plates but i think that's about it.

This post has been edited by krellian69: Jun 14 2008, 05:14 PM
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is top coat better than mr. color clear coat?

i used a mr color clear coat but then my model beacame a bit murky cuz of visible "droplets" of the clear coat..i sprayed away from my model to avoid overspraying but still at some angles the droplets were visible and it annoyed me!

im just a novice hehe..pls help! biggrin.gif

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