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b48753
post Aug 22 2008, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(adrian_huen @ Aug 22 2008, 01:20 PM)
ya..is expensive, but motor trader price is abit low than 38k...
some more this car 1st hand own by proton dealer for 1 year than only tranfer to 2nd owner...now is 3rd hand d....
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Not very sure the price..but nowdays many seaching for 4G18 Waja..think becoz the engine better tahn campro model..

Last May i manage to re-loan my car for RM37k, Waja 4G18 year 2004.. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(MOMOchacha @ Aug 21 2008, 03:02 PM)
but now days very hard get the used one.
some more they dun gv u personal warranty.
last few i get used one.but he din gv me testing and install.
just for COD only, so in that time i din change for it sweat.gif
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hmm.. feel like changing sport spring as well after discussing about it..here in PG where can get such nice price for sport spring? veli interested.. drool.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(MOMOchacha @ Aug 20 2008, 10:43 PM)
if you stil hv the TI sticker also gv me one ya tongue.gif
wat u mean?u wanna send me in MSN?
anybody pla gv me advice...APM or GAB spring is better and confort? icon_question.gif
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Can stick TI number in other car? tongue.gif lolz..
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post Aug 22 2008, 06:33 PM

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1) WAJA with 4g93t or 4g63t engine,approve by JPJ,year 03 onwards.
2) FTO,year 96 onwards.

please sms me at 0122810008
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post Aug 22 2008, 06:52 PM

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Found this thread in the automotive garage. Been thinking of buying to cover up those tiny scratches on my car. The only problem is that there is no Twilight Blue colour. If I use the Ble Black colour, will it be noticeable?

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/718143/+20
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post Aug 22 2008, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(b48753 @ Aug 22 2008, 03:59 PM)
Not very sure the price..but nowdays many seaching for 4G18 Waja..think becoz the engine better tahn campro model..

Last May i manage to re-loan my car for RM37k, Waja 4G18 year 2004..  biggrin.gif
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4g18 is power than campro...
but why u need to reloan ur car ar?...
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post Aug 22 2008, 07:30 PM

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4G18 is no way better then campro.

4G18 produce peak 140Nm at 2800rpm and drops immediately, Campro is 152Nm at 4000rpm and maintain until 4300rpm.

4G18 produce 77kW at 6000rpm and Campro produce 82kW at 6000rpm.

the figure can tell right?


Added on August 22, 2008, 7:50 pm
QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 06:52 PM)
Found this thread in the automotive garage. Been thinking of buying to cover up those tiny scratches on my car. The only problem is that there is no Twilight Blue colour. If I use the Ble Black colour, will it be noticeable?

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/718143/+20
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yea im looking for midnight blue as well...looks like the balck blue is the closes.


This post has been edited by zenwarlord: Aug 22 2008, 07:50 PM
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post Aug 22 2008, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 07:30 PM)
4G18 is no way better then campro.

4G18 produce peak 140Nm at 2800rpm and drops immediately, Campro is 152Nm at 4000rpm and maintain until 4300rpm.

4G18 produce 77kW at 6000rpm and Campro produce 82kW at 6000rpm.

the figure can tell right?


Added on August 22, 2008, 7:50 pm

yea im looking for midnight blue as well...looks like the balck blue is the closes.
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Engine is not about max torque and hp. Campro is a high revving engine, so the power is higher but only arrive at high RPM. Unless you rey it, the pick-up is slower than 4G18 which the max torque arrive earlier at 2.8k rpm compared to campro 6k rpm. And you have to see the torque curve also. The best should be almost flat (all rpm also almost at peak torque). The Golf GTI for example, has a low hp rating for a turbocharged 2 litre engine but the torque is very high starting from 2k rpm and almost flat at the entire rpm. thumbup.gif

About the touch-up paint, should we just bought the blue black or wait until they some out with the one we want.. hmm.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 06:52 PM)
Found this thread in the automotive garage. Been thinking of buying to cover up those tiny scratches on my car. The only problem is that there is no Twilight Blue colour. If I use the Ble Black colour, will it be noticeable?

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/718143/+20
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how the paint use ah? hmm.gif

QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 08:38 PM)
Engine is not about max torque and hp. Campro is a high revving engine, so the power is higher but only arrive at high RPM. Unless you rey it, the pick-up is slower than 4G18 which the max torque arrive earlier at 2.8k rpm compared to campro 6k rpm. And you have to see the torque curve also. The best should be almost flat (all rpm also almost at peak torque). The Golf GTI for example, has a low hp rating for a turbocharged 2 litre engine but the torque is very high starting from 2k rpm and almost flat at the entire rpm. thumbup.gif

About the touch-up paint, should we just bought the blue black or wait until they some out with the one we want..  hmm.gif
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nor matter which is the high FC and HP..at the end v only need sv petrol icon_rolleyes.gif
tml petrol price with be at RM2.55 per litre thumbup.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(MOMOchacha @ Aug 22 2008, 08:49 PM)
how the paint use ah? hmm.gif
nor matter which is the high FC and HP..at the end v only need sv petrol icon_rolleyes.gif
tml petrol price with be at RM2.55 per litre thumbup.gif
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Just use brush if I'm not mistaken.

The new fuel price is just to buy vote... laugh.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 08:56 PM

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if an engine is not about the hp and torque then what is the purpose they measure it? that is the only terms to benchmark engine.

The 4G18 engine is giving a spike at 2800 rpm then drops while the campro is giving smooth climbing in both hp and torque. At 3300rpm both campro and 4G18 is producing the same torque approximately 135Nm.

With that kind of spike it's only gives u a car lead from stand still then ends up with 1-1.5 contenna lorry behind in 400m drag.

bare in mind campro is producing the same torque as 4G18 at 3500rpm. As the matter of facts Campro is not a high rev engine and it's a marketing terms used by Proton, most of the covensional car at that range of rpm. A high rev engine is those produce max torque at 6000rpm and above.

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 08:38 PM)
Engine is not about max torque and hp. Campro is a high revving engine, so the power is higher but only arrive at high RPM. Unless you rey it, the pick-up is slower than 4G18 which the max torque arrive earlier at 2.8k rpm compared to campro 6k rpm. And you have to see the torque curve also. The best should be almost flat (all rpm also almost at peak torque). The Golf GTI for example, has a low hp rating for a turbocharged 2 litre engine but the torque is very high starting from 2k rpm and almost flat at the entire rpm. thumbup.gif

About the touch-up paint, should we just bought the blue black or wait until they some out with the one we want..  hmm.gif
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who say campro pick up slow?
wanna have a try?
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QUOTE(richnet @ Aug 22 2008, 09:09 PM)
who say campro pick up slow?
wanna have a try?
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oooui ur's got extra 1 cam shaft la.

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 09:11 PM)
oooui ur's got extra 1 cam shaft la.
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i mean he has twin cam.

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 08:56 PM)
if an engine is not about the hp and torque then what is the purpose they measure it? that is the only terms to benchmark engine.

Ever heard of marketing? Anyway, thats one way to measure engine performance but it not just that

The 4G18 engine is giving a spike at 2800 rpm then drops while the campro is giving smooth climbing in both hp and torque. At 3300rpm both campro and 4G18 is producing the same torque approximately 135Nm.

Because for city driving especially in jam, the rpm is always the the lower 3k rpm. The spike is actually good to get the 1tonne++ Waja moving. About the smooth climbing of Campro, I thought there's a torque dip before 4k rpm?  hmm.gif

With that kind of spike it's only gives u a car lead from stand still then ends up with 1-1.5 contenna lorry behind in 400m drag.

Its all about compromise. You get some, you loose some. Depend on whats you want in your car.

bare in mind campro is producing the same torque as 4G18 at 3500rpm. As the matter of facts Campro is not a high rev engine and it's a marketing terms used by Proton, most of the covensional car at that range of rpm. A high rev engine is those produce max torque at 6000rpm and above.

Isn't Campro max power at 6.5k rpm?  hmm.gif

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QUOTE(richnet @ Aug 22 2008, 09:09 PM)
who say campro pick up slow?
wanna have a try?
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Don't get me wrong, but in lower rpm, campro will loose out to 4g18. But when you get to the sweet spot, it will effortlessly climb to the red line thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(MOMOchacha @ Aug 22 2008, 09:23 AM)
05/06 still hv 4g18? hmm.gif
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05 memang masih 4g18p. i bought mine in end of 05, so mmg confirm

it's in 06 that the campro is introduced with the limited edition PY20 waja
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post Aug 22 2008, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Aug 22 2008, 09:57 PM)
05 memang masih 4g18p. i bought mine in end of 05, so mmg confirm

it's in 06 that the campro is introduced with the limited edition PY20 waja
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Actually there's how many version of Waja. The one I know are:

Waja 4g18 (single cam)
Waja 4g18 (dohc)
Waja 1.8
Waja Campro
Waja CPS
???

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post Aug 22 2008, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 09:39 PM)
i mean he has twin cam.
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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 10:07 PM)
Actually there's how many version of Waja. The one I know are:

Waja 4g18 (single cam)
Waja 4g18 (dohc)
Waja 1.8
Waja Campro
Waja CPS
???

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 09:41 PM)
Ever heard of marketing? Anyway, thats one way to measure engine performance but it not just that
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what else to measure on engine performance if not hp and torque? male or female engine?


QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 09:41 PM)
Because for city driving especially in jam, the rpm is always the the lower 3k rpm. The spike is actually good to get the 1tonne++ Waja moving. About the smooth climbing of Campro, I thought there's a torque dip before 4k rpm?
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that is the 4G18 engine is design for, it's city driving engine and it's not performance engine. As i mentioned no way 4G18 is better then campro in terms of performance. If u happen to browse through the factory chart of torque, it's not dip. It's just flatten all the way from 2000rpm to 2500rpm before it start to climb again. if u compare to 4G18 it start to drop from 2500rpm to 3500 rpm then flatten all the way from 3500rpm to 4500rpm and it up again a little from 4500rpm to 5500rpm. the different is campro flatten for 500rpm while 4G18 flatten 1000rpm.

QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 09:41 PM)
Its all about compromise. You get some, you loose some. Depend on whats you want in your car.
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the last few post is talking about performance, therefore it's all about performance.

QUOTE(sphiroth @ Aug 22 2008, 09:41 PM)
Isn't Campro max power at 6.5k rpm?
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that is max hp not max torque.


Added on August 22, 2008, 10:43 pmhey...anyone use this type of alarm?
http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2008-08D...omplete_Set.htm

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2008-08D...REE_POSTAGE.htm

the key is suitable for waja? i look at the BLIZT type, the key pattern like not the same.


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