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post Aug 19 2008, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(dkcc87 @ Aug 19 2008, 12:29 AM)
Don't really fancy covering it..cuz it wold be a total wajalution by then..lolz...i'm a proud waja owner..ain't an evo-wannabe..hahakz..
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But it will look nicer as it make the car look wide instead of tall. icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 19 2008, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(Tainted @ Aug 19 2008, 12:35 AM)
Was wondering whether subwoofers in the car can be powered without an amp?
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NO. Unless its an active-sub (got built in amp).
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post Aug 19 2008, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Tainted @ Aug 19 2008, 09:32 AM)
Speaking of smoked headlights, do you think we can smoke our front headlights?
If yes, how much would that cost?

How much would it cost to smoke the rear as well?
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Front is RM110 + 1year warranty against leakage. laugh.gif Rear Rm30, tinted only.

QUOTE(dkcc87 @ Aug 19 2008, 09:37 AM)
It's better to buy a smoked headlamp direct from the factory as it provides 1 year warranty, instead of DIY-ing your original headlamp...as times goes by,ur headlamp might be covered with water after da rain...just my 2 cents.. biggrin.gif
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Even Proton OEM headlamp also got this problem. laugh.gif

QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 19 2008, 10:16 AM)
a proper sealing play important roles. Those aftermarket parts from factory did not gurantee us there wont be any water leakage except from "Automotive Lighting" original supplier to Proton.
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Make sure they use proper sealing compound (silicon) and it will be fine. nod.gif
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post Aug 19 2008, 10:35 PM

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Guys, my car got problem. Brake problem to be exact. The rear passengger side brake is kinda 'locking' and produce screeching sound. I examine the the disc and found out that the disc is not very flat at certain place, thus creating the 'locking'. cry.gif

So, should I send it for warranty claim which could takes weeks, or just send it to skimmed. rclxub.gif

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post Aug 19 2008, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(squareballs @ Aug 19 2008, 10:43 PM)
Send it to warranty, but i think they'll always find excuses..
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The problem is, there is no PESC here. Only got 3rd party service vendor. If I were to skimmed the disc, how much would it cost me?
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post Aug 20 2008, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 20 2008, 07:49 AM)
never skim your disc, you will end up having unbalance grip distance of caliper and might end up pull your car to 1 side. unless you skim both disc.

The best solution is make a trip to PESC or EON, get them inspected and most probably they will request you to make another trip if they don't have stock.

Btw, have you check whether the clip that attached to the brake pad is there.
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Thanks for the advice. Will go to PESC tomorrow. notworthy.gif

QUOTE(MOMOchacha @ Aug 20 2008, 09:37 AM)
i also hv face your problem b4..
planning to get a better brake pad and skimmed the disc.
i have ever ask it b4 skimmed disc 1pair only RM65 nod.gif
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QUOTE(tplcaik @ Aug 20 2008, 09:46 AM)
I had same problem with u last 2 weeks. Just skimmed my both rear disc and cost me RM70 and change the disc brake pad RM70 also.  sad.gif It is recommended to change ur brake pad together with new skimmed disc plate.
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Most my friend who drive Proton says that its normal for Proton cars to skimmed the disc once in the 1st year due to low QC. doh.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 06:52 PM

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Found this thread in the automotive garage. Been thinking of buying to cover up those tiny scratches on my car. The only problem is that there is no Twilight Blue colour. If I use the Ble Black colour, will it be noticeable?

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/718143/+20
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post Aug 22 2008, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 07:30 PM)
4G18 is no way better then campro.

4G18 produce peak 140Nm at 2800rpm and drops immediately, Campro is 152Nm at 4000rpm and maintain until 4300rpm.

4G18 produce 77kW at 6000rpm and Campro produce 82kW at 6000rpm.

the figure can tell right?


Added on August 22, 2008, 7:50 pm

yea im looking for midnight blue as well...looks like the balck blue is the closes.
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Engine is not about max torque and hp. Campro is a high revving engine, so the power is higher but only arrive at high RPM. Unless you rey it, the pick-up is slower than 4G18 which the max torque arrive earlier at 2.8k rpm compared to campro 6k rpm. And you have to see the torque curve also. The best should be almost flat (all rpm also almost at peak torque). The Golf GTI for example, has a low hp rating for a turbocharged 2 litre engine but the torque is very high starting from 2k rpm and almost flat at the entire rpm. thumbup.gif

About the touch-up paint, should we just bought the blue black or wait until they some out with the one we want.. hmm.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(MOMOchacha @ Aug 22 2008, 08:49 PM)
how the paint use ah? hmm.gif
nor matter which is the high FC and HP..at the end v only need sv petrol icon_rolleyes.gif
tml petrol price with be at RM2.55 per litre thumbup.gif
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Just use brush if I'm not mistaken.

The new fuel price is just to buy vote... laugh.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 08:56 PM)
if an engine is not about the hp and torque then what is the purpose they measure it? that is the only terms to benchmark engine.

Ever heard of marketing? Anyway, thats one way to measure engine performance but it not just that

The 4G18 engine is giving a spike at 2800 rpm then drops while the campro is giving smooth climbing in both hp and torque. At 3300rpm both campro and 4G18 is producing the same torque approximately 135Nm.

Because for city driving especially in jam, the rpm is always the the lower 3k rpm. The spike is actually good to get the 1tonne++ Waja moving. About the smooth climbing of Campro, I thought there's a torque dip before 4k rpm?  hmm.gif

With that kind of spike it's only gives u a car lead from stand still then ends up with 1-1.5 contenna lorry behind in 400m drag.

Its all about compromise. You get some, you loose some. Depend on whats you want in your car.

bare in mind campro is producing the same torque as 4G18 at 3500rpm. As the matter of facts Campro is not a high rev engine and it's a marketing terms used by Proton, most of the covensional car at that range of rpm. A high rev engine is those produce max torque at 6000rpm and above.

Isn't Campro max power at 6.5k rpm?  hmm.gif

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QUOTE(richnet @ Aug 22 2008, 09:09 PM)
who say campro pick up slow?
wanna have a try?
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Don't get me wrong, but in lower rpm, campro will loose out to 4g18. But when you get to the sweet spot, it will effortlessly climb to the red line thumbup.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Aug 22 2008, 09:57 PM)
05 memang masih 4g18p. i bought mine in end of 05, so mmg confirm

it's in 06 that the campro is introduced with the limited edition PY20 waja
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Actually there's how many version of Waja. The one I know are:

Waja 4g18 (single cam)
Waja 4g18 (dohc)
Waja 1.8
Waja Campro
Waja CPS
???

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post Aug 22 2008, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 10:15 PM)
what else to measure on engine performance if not hp and torque? male or female engine?
that is the 4G18 engine is design for, it's city driving engine and it's not performance engine. As i mentioned no way 4G18 is better then campro in terms of performance. If u happen to browse through the factory chart of torque, it's not dip. It's just flatten all the way from 2000rpm to 2500rpm before it start to climb again. if u compare to 4G18 it start to drop from 2500rpm to 3500 rpm then flatten all the way from 3500rpm to 4500rpm and it up again a little from 4500rpm to 5500rpm. the different is campro flatten for 500rpm while 4G18 flatten 1000rpm.
the last few post is talking about performance, therefore it's all about performance.
that is max hp not max torque.


Added on August 22, 2008, 10:43 pmhey...anyone use this type of alarm?
http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2008-08D...omplete_Set.htm

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/2008-08D...REE_POSTAGE.htm

the key is suitable for waja? i look at the BLIZT type, the key pattern like not the same.
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Browse back a few post a realized that we been comparing in term of power/performance, not characteristic. Sorry bout that. sweat.gif

About that dip (or flat), I've seen a few chart from various sources and it looks to me like a dip. nod.gif
http://www.proton.com/innovation/rnd/campro.php

And I've also mixed up between torque and hp doh.gif laugh.gif

Why not get those 2-way alarm. Quite effective and can get quite cheap also. brows.gif

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QUOTE(squareballs @ Aug 22 2008, 10:54 PM)
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/769870

Interested on going car detailing this sunday?hehe..
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Too expensive for me... sweat.gif (actually, no money laugh.gif )
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 10:59 PM)
hmmm....that's strange about the chart. I hope proton chart is showing manual tranny and mine is also manual tranny.

Or perhaps since they selling CPS and now they reveal the true dyno result of campro to show the big difference hahahaha.


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the problem is I wish to have only 1 key with remote built in. Any recomendation for any brand that similar?
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That maybe true also:lol: ..but isn't those chart is obtain at the crank, no transmission attach. If connected to transmission, got another 15% drop. hmm.gif

Why you want only one key? Isn't it better to have spares? sweat.gif
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post Aug 22 2008, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 11:09 PM)
that's right the result is on crank, or maybe different dyno, temperature & humidity gives different result.
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Paultan website has a dyno of Gen.2 CPS. The result is 15% lower that the 125hp stated because the power lost in the tranny. Anyone dyno the non-cps campro?
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 11:25 PM)
yes i do.....but mine Gen2 is auto.
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You said in your previous post yours is auto rclxub.gif One more reason Proton can 'cheat' the torque dip is by ECU mapping (like how Gen.2 and Waja got different characteristic although using same engune) and adjusting the TCU (like what they done in Persona).
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 10:59 PM)
hmmm....that's strange about the chart. I hope proton chart is showing manual tranny and mine is also manual tranny.

Or perhaps since they selling CPS and now they reveal the true dyno result of campro to show the big difference hahahaha.


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the problem is I wish to have only 1 key with remote built in. Any recomendation for any brand that similar?
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 22 2008, 11:43 PM)
yea mine gen2 is auto and waja is auto as well. Earlier post I mentioned auto? Did I?
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Typo perhaps. laugh.gif

QUOTE(squareballs @ Aug 22 2008, 11:45 PM)
Thinking of changing my wiper long time ago, spoil d..
But still dilemma which to go for, silicone or rubber..
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I still use the good ol' fashioned rubber wiper. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(zenwarlord @ Aug 23 2008, 12:16 AM)
the silicon is almost the same either brand it will be, the only different is silicon maker. As far as i know if the silicon material is dowcorning brand it might more reliable. But we never know.

RM78 for a pair is quite cheap, i remember did saw the PIAA brand and it cost RM115/pc.
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So expensive, later people come and steal those wiper. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MOMOchacha @ Aug 23 2008, 08:18 AM)
i am currently using this right now not bad. but i hear from my fren, if speed up to 150kmj this wiper like not fuction very well.cos this is less bone wiper..but for me i like this so much flex.gif
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Use rain-X. nod.gif
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QUOTE(squareballs @ Aug 23 2008, 03:34 PM)
I would say PU last, although fiber is cheaper.. Imagine you driving 100km/h and a small stone hit your bumper, your bumper might crack..

We are reaching V4 soon, gambateh!
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I also support getting the PU as it last. Else if cracked (when using fiber), has to replaced immediately if not, whenever sees the cracked, hearts will be cry.gif

QUOTE(Tainted @ Aug 23 2008, 04:47 PM)
Eh guys wanna ask whether you guys smoke your headlights?

Do you all buy ready-smoked or you go to the shop and stick those stickers?

Going to smoke the lights at the back when I'm free and also thinking to smoke my front headlamps, what do u all think?
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My headlamp were smoked at accs shop using black paint. Cost me RM110.

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