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SKY 1809
post Jun 20 2008, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 20 2008, 09:35 AM)
I suspect our stock market would be listless for at least until end of this year.
Yesterday, when I watched Tan Sri Nor Yaakob giving a comment about our country's financial prospects, his face really GRIMACED & looked uneasy when he delivered his comments that our country's economy is doing fine & stock market shouldn't be much affected by our politics.
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People in the financial circles are expecting a recession next year, if BN is to adopt the "never mind " attitude.

We are at a crucial stage - the denial stage, and that we are perfectly fine and economy is doing ok.

The facts are BLR could be on the upward trend and bad loans are on the rapid rise, businesses at standstill ( other than exports ).

Just my2sen.

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post Jun 20 2008, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Jun 20 2008, 09:48 AM)
Still risky to go bargain hunting in wake of all these bad news.  sad.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 20 2008, 09:57 AM)
today SAPP holding a meeting unsure.gif
could this be the time-bomb?


Added on June 20, 2008, 9:58 am
hopefully sooner for the better tongue.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 20 2008, 10:03 AM)
more bumpy road ahead.

have you guys ever read about this famous Brazilian future prediction, one of his future predict about the stock market:-

"2010, 15th June: The New York Stock Exchange market will fail, cuasing an international financial crisis."

Source
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On the bright side, you have more time to save some bullets. biggrin.gif

I would pour my money into Pbank if it were to drop to Asia Crisis level.

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post Jun 20 2008, 10:20 AM

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But we are expecting tsunami too.
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post Jun 20 2008, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2008, 10:20 AM)
Still long time to go (2 years) even if it will happen.  yawn.gif

See, in this 2 years time, KLCI from 800-900 goes to 1,500 before plunging back to now 1,200 level. Anything can happen.

So if someone tells back 2 years ago, KLCI will plunge 30% during 2008, he/she also get it right. But he/she will not buy stocks during 800 points time.

Same goes to Genting case, someone 2 years ago said Genting share will plunge 40% during 2008, yup, get it right again, from 8.++ to 5.xx (around 40%). Very good prediction. But Genting shares was around Rm 4 only nia 2 years back (around RM20+ before 1: 5 split). So he/she won't buy at RM4, because the prediction so accurate on 40% plunge.

Even sell now, also can register hefty profit.

Haha.  smile.gif

Don't get me wrong, I am saying market will be bullish or bearish or anything. Just somehow need to look at different perspective sometimes.
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Yes, you are right.

Many people predicted Asia would sink after Asian Currency Crisis.

Ten years later, and we are still around, to face another crisis ( like inflation ) and political crisis.

We are not short of crisis, but some time we grow.

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post Jun 20 2008, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 20 2008, 04:36 PM)
Next Monday got the Resorts AGM, wanna hear what they say!
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QUOTE(sabrateur @ Jun 20 2008, 05:04 PM)
and the only ones asking questions would be ppl from the minority shareholder watchdog group, and this guy from sg lalang, and another guy from kg pasir.
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should ask the CEO why putting 61sen cash per share into cold storage. may as well distribute back to shareholders.

Is it for back up to save Genting if got problem.



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QUOTE(ancs88 @ Jun 20 2008, 05:28 PM)
RESORTS have been buying back their shares actively for the past few days. I'm holding 10 lots at 2.89 right now and I'm thinking of getting more. I don't think it will slide down further, and this is a good time for accumulating more around 2.80~2.90....Just my 2cents!!! smile.gif
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Ask CEO to distribute back the treasury shares back to you, so you do not have to buy more.

Use Resort money to average down instead yours.

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post Jun 20 2008, 06:35 PM

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share buy back could be a sign that it could be turn private, first by using Resort's money, then only using Genting's money.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2008, 06:52 PM)
Share buyback has nothing to do with privatisation as those shares are treasury shares which is belonged to the company itself, not substantial shareholders nor any shareholders.

Privatisation normally is substantial shareholders buy from the market and eventually take it private as getting 100% of the company shares(privatisation).
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Not too sure whether the followings work:-

1) Resort share buy back ( up to 10% ) of its shares, so shares are actually retained within the same group using Resort cashflow.

2) At right time ( not now ) , when Genting if it is to take Reosrt to private, then it is much easier since less remaining shares in mkt to collect back ( 10% odeli held by Resort itself ) . Genting just has to buy back 10% in block from Resort World. Meanwhile or right now, Genting does not have to use its own cashflow.

I think it is workable, correct me if I am wrong .

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post Jun 22 2008, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 21 2008, 08:44 PM)
So, it is half-tank empty now, sigh..what to do , have to prepare some bullets when the worst comes(@2.00 perhaps as my aim)
sigh....its really difficult to make real money in stock market, all the hard work done last year to realise my profits (about 30k), I can say its almost erased.
Now,  sad.gif I can only rely on the meagre dividends.
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It would be good if Resort could distribute back some treasury shares to you bought from FF.

Then you do not have to use your own money to average down.

However, minority shareholders have to demand for it, your rights to do so.

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post Jun 22 2008, 07:08 PM

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I am more impressed that someone has saved more than 50% of his incomes.

Rather high for someone who has exposed to US ways of life.

I admire such a person.
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post Jun 22 2008, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 22 2008, 07:43 PM)
All,

1)  I learn it from "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" of Robert Kiyosaki.

2) I lost 50% of my life savings during Internet / Telecom bubble.  So, my patient is learned through making HUGE MISTAKE.
SKY 1809,

3) When I reached USA, it was in a middle of HOUSTON OIL BURST.  Then, we had Texas Saving and Loan collapse (house price always went up?).  A few recessions.  97/98 Asian currency crisis and so on.  So, in summary, I was NEVER comfortable.

4) Many of my peers in my age group cannot FIND a job now.  Or, they have to be under-employed aka getting a lower paid job.  So, if I DO NOT SAVE this last pile of income, I will ended up with NOTHING.

Hopefully, the younger folks will learn this before it is too late.

Dreamer
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Thank you for all the sharing.

I have high regards for those who have gone through crisis and they make it.



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post Jun 23 2008, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Jun 23 2008, 09:55 AM)
hi all, lately seldom monitor liao due to 'brearish' nature....concentrate on saving bullet n waiting for a major major drop if it happens..hehehehehe.....if it go up then cant buy but can sell....so..just be patient lo......

PS: most important is nt to rush into buying with ur last pile of savings as nobody knows where's the bottom is......just remember to maintain your portion of savings no matter how 'low' the price of ur beloved stock might be smile.gif -just my 2 cents-....i'ved never gone through 97/98 financial crisis, etc etc but i do value the power of savings ($$$$$) as grown up fr not-so-good-financially family.....dun lose them ($$$$$)!
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WE appreciate your advice.
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post Jun 23 2008, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 23 2008, 01:06 PM)
I get what you mean, Dreamer, but that's provided you have no intention selling at all until your golden age. On top of that, the company has to be continually a profit-making company.
I envy that you have PBB @7 tongue.gif , but had I bought around 11.50 level, it would be an unrealised capital loss now.(Price may deteriorate to 7.00 level , never know)

Sometimes, we do not know when we would need to use our money even though supposed to be parked as long-term holdings.  If I had to sell PBB now @ 10.30 level, then it's immediate loss. icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh..by the way, you give us some inspiration to keep our good shares in these turbulent times. smile.gif
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yes, we need the inspiration to go on, no matter how bad the market is.

But just a bit of curious. Some bought PBB at RM 1.00, RM 7, RM 11.50.

Which is a fair price ? The person bought at RM 1.00 may deem RM 7 as not so good also , let say.

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 23 2008, 01:28 PM)
To Cherroy & Sky

attended Resorts AGM. Hundreds attended (3x more than last year)
1) they have no plans to distribute share dividends nor cancel
2) when asked  regarding higher cash dividend instead of share buy-backs
(they answer: maintain a 20% dividend policy. Next dividend is already higher than previously, they claim. They have plans for the cash but didn't reveal )
3) when asked about the share buy-backs @ 4+ & 3+ but value now @ 2.80+, Tan Sri seems to admit the value has gone down.

The answers are like a broken record .

The Tan Sri Lim Kok Thay is really a serious & glum man.
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At least, you make an effort to try, you have done your best.

Tan Sri would surely go back to ask his financial people for some answers too.

At least, you have awaken him up knowing that resort shareholders of a diff ( respected ) group, unlike those days .

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 23 2008, 01:50 PM)
its hard to believe that Rosmah witnessed the event instead of Baginda's wife.
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But if he ( RPK ) has some confirmation from his relative.

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QUOTE(sabrateur @ Jun 23 2008, 03:43 PM)
Initially, that was what I thought as well.

However, as I found out later, tax-exempt dividends (not to be confused with single-tier tax-exempt dividends) means that the dividends are being paid from tax-exempt profits of the company, hence the company pay out the full gross amount as net dividends, without charging from the S108 account balance.

From the shareholder point of view, it is still taxable.
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S 108 is about Tax Credit . Whenever a company pays tax, there would be a tax credit under s 108. The tax credit is to enable a company to pay dividends according to the tax paid ( amount available in the tax credit ). This applies to taxable income. This is to prevent a company from distributing dividends , before paying tax yet ( could be due large Capital Allowances ). That was before the one tier system introduced recently .


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=8...9sPN02AfnOs5Rrw
S 108 does not apply to Tax exempt income .Company can pay dividend in full amount.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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post Jun 27 2008, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jun 27 2008, 04:18 PM)
guys,

what do u think of BURSA @ 7.65? i think of buying la
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For this type of industry, you cannot see the growth % each year and it is very seasonal, more bear time than bull time.






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