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dreamer101
post May 18 2008, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(mark0411 @ May 18 2008, 09:51 PM)
Hi Guys,
I've just paid the deposit for a house at Saujana Utama 3 (developed by Glomac). The property price is 313k and it is still under construction.Would i be able to secure the loan if my gross salary is 4600 and my fiancee gross salary is 2300 + 700(overtime). I'm looking at 90% margin of financing and the loan tenure should be 35 years. The other question that i have is, i haven't confirmed my employment with my current company, will that be a problem since i don't have confirmation letter from the company? FYI i will be joining another company on June which offer 5000 base salary + 600 allowances. Lastly, for property that is under construction,  does any particular financial institution have any loan package that will waive the 1st year payment?

Age :26
Current commitment
My credit card =rm200
Study Loan =150

Fiancee Commitment
Car=190
Study Loan=150
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mark0411,

1) If you are 26 years OLD, how can you get a 35 years loan?? I thought loan can only goes up to 55 years old aka retirement age. So, maybe a 29 years or 30 years loan.

2) Let say it is a 30 years loan, so monthly payment is $1,700. Current loan (200+150+ 150+ 190) = $690. So, total loan payment = $690+ $1700 = $2690 ~ $2700

3) 33% rule = Monthly income need to be $2700 X 3 = $8,100

The bank may be able to give you a loan. But, you better ask yourself a simple question, can you AFFORD the house?? Your financial situation is VERY TIGHT. If we hit recession or you lose your income for a few months up to a year, you may lose the house.

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This post has been edited by dreamer101: May 18 2008, 11:47 PM
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post May 19 2008, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(mark0411 @ May 19 2008, 12:42 AM)
1) Correct me if i'm wrong, there are several banks that offer loan tenure up to 40 years. The retirement age for this case would be 65-70.
2) If i'm loan from UOB, the monthly installment would be roughly around 1536 for 30 years tenure. If 40 years tenure is indeed possible the monthly installment will be 1386.

3) Based on your logic, i may not be able to afford any house at all. If i were to factor in the risk of recession or getting my employment terminated, than no house is affordable enough if i dont have any money to pay...even though i purchased cheaper house.

Anyone from UOB here?
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mark0411,

3) That is why you make sure that you have EMERGENCY FUND / Savings to cover 3 to 6 months worth of expenses before you make a major commitment like buying a house. This is the problem with MOST PEOPLE when they calculate whether they can afford certain house. They used up ALL their savings for down payment and they have NO EMERGENCY FUND. Then, we hit a recession and they lost their house.

QUOTE(mark0411 @ May 19 2008, 08:00 PM)
If i were to take a loan for 35 years just to get lower monthly installments and later refinance it to reduce the tenure and principal, will that be a good idea?

I'm not comfortable with the idea of paying 1500-1600 per month, i would rather pay between 1200-1300 instead until i could manage to get higher salary etc.
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mark0411,

Take a longer tenure loan to give yourself some breathing room in monthly payment. You DO NOT have to refinance to pay off the loan earlier. Get a flexible loan that allow you to pay down the principal if you want to. You can pay off 35 years loan in 10 to 15 years if the loan term and condition allows.

Refinancing cost $$$. Get the RIGHT loan and save yourself a lot of trouble and $$$.

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post May 20 2008, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(mark0411 @ May 19 2008, 10:44 PM)
Dreamer,

3) We do have emergency fund that can lasts us for about 7-8 month minimum. I do think about the risk of recession often, that is why i dont purchase higher end property.

That's the reason i want to take longer loan tenure, so that i have some breathing space especially during the 1-2nd year of our marriage. Thank you for the tips about refinancing.I will bear that in mind.
Pai,

Yes, our combined income are more than 8k excluding bonuses. I just need the extra money for the wedding ceremony proposed to be held end of next year and some of the extra money saved will be channeled towards investing.
My plan is to get a loan that will allow me to pay the absolute minimum (no payment at all would be better) for the first year of the loan period and save the money for the ceremony. After that even with 1.5 commitment monthly, i think we can survive as we are saving around 3.5k monthly combined.

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mark0411,

1) Your 7 to 8 months emergency fund include or exclude the house payment.

<<After that even with 1.5 commitment monthly, i think we can survive as we are saving around 3.5k monthly combined.>>

2) Is that 3.5K before or after house payment??

To survive financially, you need to save 10% to 15% of your gross income. In your case with combined income of 8K, that means RM800 to RM1,200 per month.

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post Jun 11 2008, 04:35 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 10 2008, 10:44 PM)
That's ridiculous. Are you saying that people who make less money need less money to live ? smile.gif if I make say 2000, I will need 200-300 to survive. But if I get a new job that pays say 5000, suddenly I will need more to survive even though my expenses haven't changed ? tongue.gif


Added on June 10, 2008, 10:46 pm

Agreed. House prices always go up in the long term. The simple reason is that land is limited, and more houses are being built.
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wodenus,

Let me repeat ONE MORE TIME. To survive financially, a person need to SAVE 10% to 15% of their GROSS INCOME.

I am talking about HOW MUCH TO SAVE. I am NOT TALKING about how much you need to survive.

<<if I make say 2000, I will need 200-300 to survive. But if I get a new job that pays say 5000, suddenly I will need more to survive even though my expenses haven't changed ? tongue.gif>>

Let's take your example.

A) If you make 2000 per month, you need to SAVE at least $200 to $300 per month.

B) If you make 5000 per month, you need to SAVE at least $500 to $750 per month. If you do not CHANGE your life style, you will SAVE a lot more than 10% to 15% of your gross income.

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post Jun 18 2008, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jun 11 2008, 11:11 AM)
So when you say "to survive financially" you're not talking about how much you need to survive financially ? what other meaning of "survive" is there ? unless of course you're saying if people don't save that much they will drop dead smile.gif
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wodenus,

A) How likely for you to NEVER get sick or have ANY KIND of financial emergency for your WHOLE LIFE?? For example, you are FULLY EMPLOYED for your WHOLE LIFE and you NEVER out of job for any amount of time??

B) Do you mean that you will work until you die aka never retire?

10% to 15% is the MINIMAL buffer required for a person to survive those COMMON but uncontrollable FINANCIAL emergency.

That is the meaning of FINANCIAL SURVIVAL. Having enough to live and continue to live in spite of some FINANCIAL emergencies.

Just a simple example, if you spend ALL your money every month, what are you going to do when

A) Your car broke down and need a major repair.

B) Your washer or air-con died and you need a new one

Your regular 10% to 15% is needed to handle those COMMON Regular financial emergency without going into serious debt problem.

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This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jun 18 2008, 11:28 AM

 

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