I feel very dilemma now between 2 new houses, and the distance between new houses no too long also, just around 2km somethings...

i staying at tmn sri muda now, decide to move out since the environment getting messy because of the industrial area, getting cheap labour from oversea and work for them...

actually i more expecting on quality life style for long term straying without moving anywhere again, but just afraid the low cost houses will attracted the labour to move in and make my life suck... but at the same time, my gf parents seem like prefer RM288k more than RM308k is because easier to get ppl help from low cost houses residents rather than "higher class" residents... because the residents may proud and not willing to help and guards may useless also even i paid montly fees

1. Indah Residences located Kemuning Utama, Shah Alam
Price RM308k, 22X70, 2,100 sq. ft., guarded with gate security (RM30 per month only)
but smaller land in front and back, lesser to worry that the environment will getting worse since is guarded

2. Jalan Arif 25/130 located at Tmn Sri Muda, Shah Alam
Price RM288k, 22X93, 2,500 sq. ft. (estimate), no gate & security.
plenty of land in front and back, i worry that the environment will getting worse since is not guarded

hopefully i can get u guys prompt reply with professional comments... because going to make decision by 2molo... thanks...

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 21 2008, 12:54 PM

Folk,

1) Do not buy a house until you get married. What if you have a NEW girlfriend, she does not like when you are staying??

2) Is the place has GOOD school for your children??

How could ANYONE consider a place for long term stay of they do not think about wife and children??

Dreamer

<<I feel very dilemma now between 2 new houses>>

This is BAD English.

It should be

<<I am in dilemma now deciding between 2 new houses>>

This post has been edited by dreamer101: May 18 2008, 07:37 PM

Looks like Dreamer is running Sunday School today

If a purchase is necessary, I would choose one which, can serve both investment and residential purpose. Yes, it will probably cost a little more but spare me the headache when dispose or lease.

Location, Location, Location... always remember that.

Thank for reply...

sorry for my engrish... i feel frus and confuse just now since my gf parents commented better get that RM288k new house , but i prefer Rm308k for better environment... i feel sick on such messy house environment again although cheap for us to affordable...

actually me and my gf had the intention to marry now, just bcos lack of money so we postponed our plan... but we prefer to get a house before marry, so we have to postpone our marriage plan again and again... so should very low probability that i will get a new gf again... also, my gf loyal on me as well...

regarding school, difficult to definite that which is the good school since involved 10years later... maybe the school nearby my house definite as one of best school around Selangor... actually there have schools around tat areas, so we not worry about it and convenient for kids to travel by bus from that areas.

also, about the location for our daily working, we found that kemuning utama (new house) is the best place which ease us to travel... actually we did consider on USJ4 house buy slightly overbudget and old house somemore...


location for new house and affordable by us... kemuning utama should be the best choice for us... we did survey around klang valley but most of them are out of our budget...

I fancy the 1st 1 bcos of the G&G for the peace of mind
too much space sometimes is not a good thing if its left empty
adequate space will be enough

how about the land title? leasehold or freehold?
might be a factor to be consider too

gkl83,

Come on. You CANNOT AFFORD to get married but you can AFFORD to buy a 288K or 308K house?? This does not make ANY sense.

Are you buying this jointly with your GF or yourself only?? Your monthly income has to be 7K to 8K to afford the house. Do you earn at least that much??

Start with the BASIC first question. Can you afford the house to begin with?? If yes, how do you know?? Did you do the calculation??

Plus, to move into a new house, you need another 20K to 30K for furnishing and others.

You just told us that you CANNOT afford to get married, does that mean you do not have about 50K savings (down payment, S&P, furnishing, renovation and etc )??

Dreamer

I kinda agree with Dreamer on this.
It's hard to believe that someone can afford a house with that price tag and yet can't afford to get married. (Unless you and your gf is planning for a very luxurious wedding here)

btw, if it's this house is going to be under both of your name, I would suggest you to AT LEAST get registered first.

Not to say that anything bad will happen in the future but the fact is, future is uncertain
and this is to avoid any unnecesarry problem in the future. Think about it. I have seen too many cases.

Actually what your gf parents got to do with your decision to buy a house? Unless they plan to stay with you after the marriage.

You buy the house that you like.

I don't know both the areas U spoke about v well but based on given information, I would go for the one at Kota Kemuning - U did mention about current security issues at the 2nd place. If u don't / can't feel safe when ur at home, how are u going to live in the long term?

I also agree with whatever else dreamer101 said And can't understand how U managed to find $ for a house and not a wedding - u don't need too elaborate a wedding if u don't want. And anything *can* change even if ur loyal or she's loyal to u; it's not necessary due to a 3rd party ya know?

both of them are freehold... but the land of kemuning utama seem like value than jalan arif...

we afford to buy a house if based on our income and we did discussion with 2 bankers. both of them said that we still afford to buy house but still required to wait their processing units to reply, most probably 70%-85% will be approve...

about furnishing we can plan later, location is the most important for me... 1st, the new house near to my old house, if anything happend on paretns at old house i can rush on time... 2nd, we knew in future still have plenty of house will build later, but question was is there any new house will build around klang valley? new house will be build, but around rawang, jalan sungai buloh, setia alam, klang, nilai, putrajaya, etc which in no convenient for us to travel...

also we dont mind without furnishing or renovation 1st, our commitment just required a simple & comfortable house which located at suitable location...

we planned to simple wedding if planned to buy house, but my gf still prefer to get a house instead 1st because after 1-2years may having difficult to get new house around klang valley which in convenient for us and the price tag may higher than now... we did survey around newspaper, brouchers and thru agents... but still kemuning utama still worth to buy if compare with others... otherwise if we wait for 1-2years, we may end up to purchase old house around USJ which cost us RM350k

perhaps i can try to propose my gf to register first, my gf is not the type who always spend my money, she always did saving for herself and for both of us... even both of us have our own saving for back up purpose which may used for marraige or for children future educational...

actually just wanna get more comments only... i will regret that i bought the house but our friends say that this house unwell for us to stay... heart pain man...

perhaps we may go to register 1st to prove our commitment with each others...
but she still perhaps to get house instead of wedding since we can marry anytime, but no for house (i means the locartion)...
since my gf have the same commitment with me, RM308k get new house, but RM330k get old house...
why dont get new house instead and design the house by ourself...

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 19 2008, 01:01 PM

@gkl83,
It seems as if Ur only talking about the Kota Kemuning one? I guess U've made up ur mind; shouldn't U be convincing ur future in laws and girlfriend on that decision, instead of us?

22 x 93 is quite large. I doubt there'll be many houses in future with that kind of size; even then it would come at a price. I understand your considerations but choose the one U think U'll like to live in cause u will probably live in that one for the next decade or so

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: May 19 2008, 06:16 PM

not lah... i just require comments from public only... for me i will prefer on kota kemuning house, i did google again just now, most of them over budget and too far for travel... but my next target may taman putra prima since i found the price slightly cheaper, but i think my gf wont like it much since the traffic issues around LDP from puchong to PJ when working hours and required to pay toll fare... at least the KESAS have upgrading project near the proton factory there due to heavy traffic on the junction there... she just have to concern on USJ traffic and not need to pay any tolls fare...

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 19 2008, 08:21 PM

@gkl83,
She's got a point about tolls. I suppose traffic is unavoidable but that really depends on where U work and where u often commute too. U should perhaps think over the options U have and come back to us for comments when u've finally decided on the short list

i think will end up with kemuning utama since my gf and me agreed that is the best location for us for daily activities... my gf's parents agreed on our choices to choose tat house at last, better environment compare with others non-guarded gardens... but my parents keep saying "out there still have plenty of houses, not necessary rush to buy a house"... duh... i think dont have much new houses around Klang Valley with affordable pricing after 2-3 years... furthermore, i believe they wont stay those new houses too which located outside of Klang Valley boundary, very un-convenient...

Kota Kemuning sure sounds better. Anyway do not rely on those guards.. G n G is good if the guards are doing their job well. Or else it is as bad as the environment u mention earlier. Furthermore KK is a good place whereby the property prices will gain good capital after a few years. Anyway another thing is that do make sure you and ur gf have make the right decision for such commitments, it 25 to 30 years of commitments. Think about it.

may i know what is G n G? a company name?

actually not exactly inside the kota kemuning... that kemuning utama was outside of kota kemuning and easy access to KESAS highway, but kota kemuning required to travel a distance before reach KESAS... further more kemuning utama have 2 road options go toward to KESAS as well after a new junctions built between kemuning utama and KESAS... also, the guarding can be change to another company after 5 years contract with them... but still wont expecting them much since thief still able to climb a high brick wall as well and may steal our car like nothing... but at least still better than nothing since Indah Residences only have 1 main gate only for entrance and exit...

about commitment, may still a question mark in future... but at least i know each other have the same commitment and insist to take this house now, no one will know what will happen in future... but i still believe that we have the strong commitment for now and future...

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 20 2008, 12:36 AM

gated and guarded

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Added on May 20, 2008, 8:46 amthat's not very true
raw material price is shooting sky high now
now the standard price for a DSL is around 200-300k
in the near future like 2010 i doubt one can get a decent DSL for less than 350k

This post has been edited by driftmeister: May 20 2008, 08:46 AM

driftmeister,

Who say so?? We will hit a recession first. Then, you can have your pick of DSL at good price. There are SO MANY people that over-buying house, it does not take much to push them over.

Don't rush into buying a house. Especially, in a new housing area. You have NO IDEA what will happen to that area.

Dreamer

yup.... i knew that as well... last time my relative bought putra height house cost RM260k last 2 years, now their house's pricing increased to RM320k...


any guides/ideas for me about how to choose proper new houses?
i may going to PWTC this friday about property showcase to allow me have more choices... but i think most of the new properties will not located around Klang Valley now and required to use toll everyday, and the new area should be question marks for us since is developed on the boundary of Klang Valley and not near to any city/town... so just trying my luck there...

gkl83,

<<yup.... i knew that as well... last time my relative bought putra height house cost RM260k last 2 years, now their house's pricing increased to RM320k... >>

My neighbor bought his house for 250K and spend 100K renovating 6 year ago. Now, he cannot even sold for 250K. One of the house in the same row just sold for 190K.

<<any guides/ideas for me about how to choose proper new houses?>>

IMHO, do not buy new house. Too much risk. I prefer to buy from secondary market aka built house. Last recession, developer abandoned their project and left house buyer in deep shit. Next time, you go to Klang, you can see the tall abandon condo building next to Jaya Jusco.

Dreamer

Just to note a point, I do not think the Kota Kemuning house ur talking about is gated, just guarded. There is a distinct difference. I personally prefer gated and guarded, not just merely guarded.

<My neighbor bought his house for 250K and spend 100K renovating 6 year ago. Now, he cannot even sold for 250K. One of the house in the same row just sold for 190K.>
yup... that i understood... actually i concern on USJ4 houses before but agent quote me RM335k... my parents say the price should no include their renovation cost and may get lower price from agent... renovation just a "optional" for a house pricing...


<IMHO, do not buy new house. ... ... ...>
u means the new house that built completely? or second hand house (old house)?
if new house built completely, afraid left few units/corners units there
if second hand house (old house), maintenance and repair may required like old car
so my gf and me end up to get the house that still under construction since we not rushing for moving...

Yup, i saw some abandoned buildings around Bukit Raja, Klang... i think it abandoned more than 10 years...
but i can feel that Paramount developer should strong in properties, because they are my customer using my company's systems, signed maintenance contract with my company and i serve them more than 1 years... they always dont have credit payments more than 1 months as far as i know... that why i choose on Paramount properties since they may have strong financial (as i feel only).... and their previous phase's houses which sold successfully which located at Kemuning Utama too... also, their previous phase 20X70 left corner lot 1-2 units only... that why i wanna to get this phase asap before run out of time...

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Added on May 20, 2008, 10:46 am
i means kemuning utama, not kota kemuning although both of them just nearby...
according to my brouchers for Indah Residences... required for card access before enter to our premises... should gate and guard loh... also asked sales ppl there, they said guard and gate too...
http://www.ku.com.my/UserFiles/File/brochu...IR-brochure.pdf

only the Prima Impian only guarded but no gated if no remember wrong...
http://www.ku.com.my/index.php?option=com_...id=74&Itemid=41

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 20 2008, 10:55 AM

A house in a good location is almost never abandoned. It all depends on location. Think about places like Bangsar, Damansara Heights, Bandar Utama, Bandar Sunway, houses in these areas cost around 50K twenty years ago. And then you look at places like Klang and Kajang and Rawang, and you can see that the house prices haven't gone up much if at all. It's all about location.

This post has been edited by wodenus: May 20 2008, 11:09 PM

@gkl83,
If it's gate and guard then it's good. I assumed it wasn't gated and guarded cause U did mention somewhere (I think) maintenance fees is RM30 p/month. Seems rather low for a proper gated and guarded but it could be due to lack of other facilities to maintain *shrugs*

If ur planning to get a 2nd hand house, it's best if u check condition of all stuff; esp piping and all.

@wodenus,
BU never started off at RM50k but U made ur point

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: May 20 2008, 06:15 PM

Folks,

1) Ask around what was the house price like during the last 97/98 recession for those areas. Are you saying that they did not get hit??

2) What makes a place good location?? Those factors can change too.

<<A house in a good location is ALMOST never abandoned.>>

The key word here is ALMOST. You are buying a HOUSE. You only need ONE good deal. The 3 LARGEST purchases in a person's life are

A) House

B) Car

C) Higher education.

People should be careful and get the BEST DEAL.

Dreamer

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Added on May 20, 2008, 7:39 pmgkl83,

1) I meant house that had built completely.

<<if second hand house (old house), maintenance and repair may required like old car >>

2) How do you know that the new house has NO SERIOUS problem like the foundation, cement wall cracking?? Let's someone else take the risk and dealt with ALL the problem first. Those are SERIOUS problems that cannot be solved.

3) For older house, you can inspect and check everything before you buy.

4) How do you know that the NEW house is not going to be flooded??

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: May 20 2008, 07:39 PM

btw, has TS decided to choose which house?

Didn't there use to be houses in Sungai Buloh ?

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Added on May 20, 2008, 9:53 pmMakes you wonder if you should get a condo. No problems like these


This post has been edited by wodenus: May 20 2008, 09:53 PM

@wodenus,
Yeah.. I'm sure there used to be houses @ Sg Buloh but never for RM50k! I'll grab the entire lot if the area I want (within the vicinity of Sg Buloh) is going for RM50k! Heck, I'll take it even at RM500k p/unit

Twenty years ago they might have been 50K 'cos Sg Buloh used to be a low-to-mid-range area

PS. 500K/unit ? anywhere in Sg Buloh ? are you sure about that ?

wodenus,

In Malaysia, on the average, 40% of the condo owners refuse to pay maintenance fee. So, most of the condo are poorly maintained due to lack of money.

Dreamer

@wodenus,
Er... I meant, within the vicinity of the area I want in Sg Buloh that is *grins*

erm... either me or u misunderstood...
the kemuning utama GnG facilities was RM30 per month... dont have any monthly fees for the low cost house...


thanks for reply... maybe i try to to look on their previous phases 1st...
the 1st phase for that area is Indah Elite and build completely now as i can see from main road... try to walk around there when i free... http://www.ku.com.my/index.php?option=com_...id=52&Itemid=41
sometimes show house (units) have different/better quality if compare with the house that not yet complete... so i worry about it too... but if get show house, afraid there have plenty of finger prints/scratches which caused by "human error"...

actually my house flood once before, 3 feet i think while i still small because i staying beside Klang River... after that incident, MBSA started to make the river bigger & deeper and built alarm house for flood... so far not happened again... that why i choose the house nearby... but still that house may flood as well in future even the drainage system well develop by Paramount, but still cant expect that the water wont back flow into new house from highway, tmn sri muda and kampung jawa road...


actually i decide to get next phase Indah Residence
as what dreamer said, wanna to look on the quality of built Indah Residence 1st... at least developer can solve the QC problem on previous phase and improve on next phase, some things like fresh built&launched car may have QC problem as well and improve on next phase... still depend on luck sometimes...
but if regarding like house cracking, after few years only can realize it...


Tmn Sri Muda house around RM100k 2-3 storey terrace house , interested?

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 21 2008, 07:58 AM

@gkl83,
I didn't misunderstand u. RM30 p/month isn't considered expensive but like I said earlier, it could just be for security system and nothing else.

Nah, Taman Sri Muda is too far and I'm no longer used to having grilles at home

I've never seen a poorly maintained condo. I've been to quite a few (mostly friends.) Even with some really low-cost, no-lift-available ones, they're pretty clean. In the end what more do you want ? unless it's for investment

yup... RM30 freak cheap... even my gf's sister also cant believe it... even her new apartment maintenance fees required RM70 as well... maybe just for the guard's salary only i think... later if required for gardening the area if getting worst, i think they will ask for another payment...


sometimes depend on the residents that staying in the condo/apartment, if they are too stingy to pay for the maintenance fees, for sure the management not able to pop up extra cost to maintain the condo/apartment...

wodenus,

1) That was the number reported by the edge quoted from some real estate association.

2) You probably has been lucky so far.

3) Normally, during recession, maintenance fee is the first one that people refused to pay. In Malaysia, there is nothing much that you can do to the owner even if they refused to pay. And, the legal process is too slow.

Dreamer

@gkl83,
I made the conclusion re the RM30 maintenance U mentioned. Where I live, I pay RM450 p/month with RM50 sinking fund and recently the Management proposed an increase

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: May 21 2008, 11:16 AM

Well just for the sake of discussion, what happens if they don't have enough money for maintenance ?

@wodenus,
Responsible people will make sure they have enough $ for it and make sure monthly maintenance is paid but well, that's the ideal world, not the real world.

When people don't have $ they cut maintenance and when the office doesn't receive $ to operate, they slowly shut down.

So it shuts down. And then what happens ?

look like i required to ask the developer to gain the security company's information...
i may need a copy of security guard fees if contract based, because i asked that sales agent the security will service that garden 5 years only, later depend on the community if wanted to change another security company...
if stingy residents refuse to pay, no access card allowed and fill up form before enter premise...


they condo/apartment will getting worse and abandoned...

This post has been edited by gkl83: May 21 2008, 11:50 AM

TS, to choose where to stay. please consider the following criteria,

1- how long will u b staying at that area?

1a- if for a long period eg more than 10 years, choose one where u n ur gf loves.... both of u is going to stay there....

1b- if just for a short period and planning to move somewhere else when got more $$, then choose one which have good investment value, good location, and remember to ask ppl who hv experience in property buying.... esp like ur relative or whoever that always "play" with property...

but anyway, location is important, must be convenient for u and ur future kids n wife.

just a few tips from my dad.. hehehehe.... he is ex contractor now retired edi, he only buy n sell property... if got really good ones he will keep it.... =)

This post has been edited by sweetcat: May 21 2008, 11:56 AM

@gkl83,
I'm sure developer would have calculated the cost. I don't think U should compare with mine cause where I live there are many other facilities to take care of inclusive of a clubhouse and some other recreational facilities.

So, when r U going to be making the decision or when must a decision be made?

@wodenus,
And when it shuts down, the place just becomes well, like any usual residential area of the past; no security guards, gates, etc.

yeah... that why we decide for shah alam house which convenient for daily travel...
somemore if good environment and well planned area, i think should kemuning utama only... because there have spaces for shops, offices and small shopping mall (as proposed)... i think the value for that area will increase just of that business community and just right beside KESAS highway, easy to access and exit...

however, any property can recommend me?


i decided to get next phase of indah residences... because suddenly pop up another RM6k for stamp duty only
so have to rebudget again to let myself breath and have more time to discuss with parents...
and this friday i going to PWTC for property showcase, perhaps i will found a property which is cheaper or FOC stamp duty & lawyer fees...

@gkl83,
Alright - haf fun

I don't think they'll leave an investment just like that

@wodenus,
I certainly wouldn't but will try convincing neighbours to pay up. If all else fails, just dispose off the property and find a new one elsewhere *grins*

I think the residents could get together and make this one work. Management offices are just to make more money for the developer I think


This post has been edited by wodenus: May 21 2008, 07:47 PM

this coming weekend PWTC got property fair?
tht's great.

got time must visit and start do homeworks, survey survey.

All,

1) For condo, the trash collection is part of the maintenance fee too. Just imagine no trash pickup. In same cases, the water and electric bill is collected by management office paid to water and electric company. So, no water and electricity.

2) Okay, now, this is a bit more complicated. It ALL depends on what stage that the condo is in. In the first few years, the management office is run by the developer. After I think the strata title is issued, the management office is actually run by the condo owner association itself. Now, if 40% of the owner refuse to pay and if the owner do not live there to begin with, they do not care.

<<If all else fails, just dispose off the property and find a new one elsewhere *grins*>>

3) By that time, who want to buy your property to begin with?

<<I think the residents could get together and make this one work. Management offices are just to make more money for the developer I think >>

4) In later stage, management office is not run by the developer.

Dreamer

@GKL83

i where got any property to recommend...
my dad pro only... bwahahhhah...
me also in dilemma... wanna buy a small small tiny tiny apartment for own stay.... dunno choose which one...

apartment tainia, salvia & carina, kota damansara area, range 110k - 150k, only have guard... but great area... actually a lil over price.... esp for tainia n salvia....

-or- flora damansara, damansara also, range 100k - 120k got swimming pool got nice view, cool air but poor management.....

-or- kepong or sri damansara area cheaper, 85k - 120k.... a lil far from my work place which is @ uptown, more jam....

-or- no nid buy, stay at my dad extra condominium at kepong, new one, will complete at oct this year... i dislike coz of traffic jam.... i hate LDP, need to pay somemore jam....

how??

Any idea when the next phase of Indah Residence will be launched? Last time (Mac 08) I went to current phase of Indah Residence sales office, nearly 60-70 % sold from my estimation.

no idea, i think have to wait for the completion of prima impian and indah residence constructions 1st before they stay launch indah residence 8C... otherwise paramount developer may insufficient funds or taking risks or insufficient human power if both of construction no yet sold out... since paramount was my company's customer, i requested one of the staff to gain any news if possible regarding indah residence 8C such as launch date or pricing... so i able to choose the house i prefer...

gkl83,

Have you considered Kinrara Mas at Bukit Jalil ? Its perfect for first time house buyer who plans to stay around 10 - 15 years and then sell or rent it. Its kind of best combination for house to stay and also for investment. Right now the price is around 200k - 250k and its very likely to increase when the suggested LRT beside Giant Kinrara is built (this is according to Subang Jaya Local Plan 2020). Even without LRT, the transportation is very flexible where you have 3 alternative roads to KL (through Bukit Jalil, Jalan Puchong-Klang Lama or LDP). Plus puchong is nowadays considered one of the highest potential for real estate investment because the price is still low at the moment. Before the LRT coming in, the only head ache for Puchong people is LDP highway.. but since Kinrara Mas is in the middle of Puchong and Bukit Jalil.. this is not an issue.

You can read this article for more tips about buying house for investment. [Checklist for Buying Property for Investment]

Hi realproperty,

I also bought one unit there..Quite a nice location plus it is affordable & good for investment..